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Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 12:52 pm
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Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
Breaking: FA WR Parris Campbell is signing with the #Giants, source tells @theScore.

The former Buckeye star comes off a career-best 62/623/3 with the #Colts last season, adding 2 rushing TDs as well.
Well  
Gogiantsgo : 3/16/2023 12:54 pm : link
That is a start.
I guess  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/16/2023 12:54 pm : link
He is the replacement for Slayton
I like it  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 12:54 pm : link
No draft choices given up
Liked  
Thegratefulhead : 3/16/2023 12:54 pm : link
Him coming out
he's had trouble staying on the field  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 12:54 pm : link
which is too much of a theme with wr group and we'll see what the price is but i have no issue rolling the dice on someone other than slayton.

i think it was campbell who caught the long jump ball against the nyg in the week 17 game.
More speed  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 12:55 pm : link
Giants got a lot faster with him and Waller. He has played a lot of slot but probably falls under that umbrella of guys they see can contribute outside.
Hmmm  
Straw Hat : 3/16/2023 12:56 pm : link
Not too bad, not too bad.
RAS  
Thegratefulhead : 3/16/2023 12:56 pm : link
For those that care
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I really like this signing  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 12:56 pm : link
He has battled injuries but when he plays he shows major talent. I think he could be a big time player for us.
RE: he's had trouble staying on the field  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16066766 Eric on Li said:
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which is too much of a theme with wr group and we'll see what the price is but i have no issue rolling the dice on someone other than slayton.

i think it was campbell who caught the long jump ball against the nyg in the week 17 game.


Who hasn’t it seems? 😂
I prefer  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2023 12:57 pm : link
Paris Cammell
Hmmm  
Sammo85 : 3/16/2023 12:57 pm : link
Good downfield speed. As long as money is reasonable, kind of like it.
All you can pick from at WR are misfit toys.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
It's like a clearance rack.
Seems obvious  
Thegratefulhead : 3/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
That this regime values separation above all other traits.
All these weapons and  
prdave73 : 3/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.
Played in 32 of 65 games in 4 seasons?  
MattinKY : 3/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
Do they need to even go that route?
Hopefully he's cheap and the contract is boidable without significant cap implications.
Need to see the terms  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 12:58 pm : link
Before we make a judgment on the signing
Has serious speed but needs to stay on the field  
Rick in Dallas : 3/16/2023 12:59 pm : link
Played all the games last year but only 15 games his first 3 seasons.
Slayton’s replacement as far as stretching the defense downfield.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 12:59 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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#Giants have agreed to terms with former Colts WR Parris Campbell, per
@Schultz_Report


Had Campbell as one of my top targets for NYG entering FA. History with WR coach Mike Groh, good fit in this offense predicated on route running, desperate for speed.
RE: All you can pick from at WR are misfit toys.  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16066776 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's like a clearance rack.


Yup, better to gamble on some upside when shopping there.
Relax, Eric. I've got this.  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 1:00 pm : link
RE: All these weapons and  
BigBlueShock : 3/16/2023 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:
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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.

“All these weapons”? You cannot be serious
RE: All these weapons and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:
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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.


"Weapons"?

Look at the WR depth chart.

FFS
Schoen putting the trainers and medical staff on notice. Get your act  
Ivan15 : 3/16/2023 1:00 pm : link
Together or get out. Waller, Campbell, Shepard
I  
g56blue10 : 3/16/2023 1:00 pm : link
Get the signing but between him a Waller we have signed two guys wit resent injury issues. Injuries has been a big issue for this team as it is
Solid signing  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2023 1:01 pm : link
good size and speed. It is all about his health.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:01 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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#Giants just got a top WR available
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:01 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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The Giants are signing Colts WR Parris Campbell, according to a source (
@Schultz_Report
1st).

Mentioned Campbell as a free agent they liked the other day. He can play both inside and outside.
sort of interesting he played 82% slot last year  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
for his career he's been 68% slot, 32% wide. he also had a similar % at OSU. so he's played a lot more slot than slayton.

6% drop rate at IND and 8% drop rate at OSU so he catches the ball better than slayton.

he hasn't been as explosive by YPC but athletically he replaces slayton's speed.



when in doubt going with an OSU receiver isnt the worst idea.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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2019 second-round pick missed 34 games due to injury in his first three seasons. He was finally healthy last season and had 63 catches for 623 yards and 3 TD. Played in the slot 77% of snaps last year. WR coach Mike Groh was with Campbell for two years in Indy
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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1m
#Giants staff has shown an affinity for versatile WRs...
Love signings like this  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
I'm sure he will be cheap. Gamble on a young player with upside. He's flashed when healthy.

Coming off a season where he had about 700 yards from scrimmage and 5 TDs.

Get as many WRs into camp as you can and let them battle it out for 5-6 WR spots.
RE: RE: All these weapons and  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16066786 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:


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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.


“All these weapons”? You cannot be serious


And 26 in July..😎
While people want to talk about his injuries  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 1:03 pm : link
He played in all 17 games last year... that is noticeable. His bad luck could be over and gets it together... He has great speed, good route runner, and good hands.
Has he had any MAJOR INJURIES?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:03 pm : link
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tough, smart, dependable  
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tough, smart dependable
RE: While people want to talk about his injuries  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16066801 Amtoft said:
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He played in all 17 games last year... that is noticeable. His bad luck could be over and gets it together... He has great speed, good route runner, and good hands.


Agreed
RE: sort of interesting he played 82% slot last year  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2023 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16066794 Eric on Li said:
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for his career he's been 68% slot, 32% wide. he also had a similar % at OSU. so he's played a lot more slot than slayton.

6% drop rate at IND and 8% drop rate at OSU so he catches the ball better than slayton.

he hasn't been as explosive by YPC but athletically he replaces slayton's speed.



when in doubt going with an OSU receiver isnt the worst idea.


I noticed the ypc too. Very low. I had interest in Campbell over the last few years. It was mostly injuries that derailed him but I also thought that Indy was using him all wrong. How does a guy with that explosion average 10 yards per catch? Daboll and Kafka will get this guy the ball with room to run. I think they can get more out of him than he has shown thus far in his career.
RE: Has he had any MAJOR INJURIES?  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16066802 Big Blue '56 said:
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Sep 29, 2019 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Campbell suffered an abdominal injury during the second quarter of the game versus the Raiders, He missed three games
Nov 3, 2019 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture He missed four games following surgery to address a fractured right hand
Dec 8, 2019 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture He suffered a broken foot against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that led him to be placed on the season-ending injured reserve list.

Aug 26, 2020 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Campbell suffered a concussion when he was involved in a minor car accident.
Sep 20, 2020 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Campbell suffered an MCL injury in the first quarter of Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings. He was done for the 2020 season
Sep 20, 2020 NFL Knee PCL Sprain Grade 2 Campbell suffered a PCL injury in the first quarter of Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings. He was done for the 2020 season

Sep 17, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Campbell missed Week 2's game against the Rams due to an abdomen injury.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Foot Sprain Campbell suffered a ‘significant’ foot injury in the Colts' Week 6 win over the Houston Texans.
Putting aside Injuries, just for the moment,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:05 pm : link
I wonder what Sy thought of him at draft time? Drafted in 2nd round
RE: he's had trouble staying on the field  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/16/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16066766 Eric on Li said:
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which is too much of a theme with wr group and we'll see what the price is but i have no issue rolling the dice on someone other than slayton.

i think it was campbell who caught the long jump ball against the nyg in the week 17 game.


If the dollars are low don't mind it. High upside but ANOTHER potential injury prone guy. Obviously can't be the only thing we do. However if he is kind of an add as another WR2 or WR3 option...not terrible.

We still need ideally to trade for a low contract potential WR1 like eudy/Pittman/Aiyuk. Otherwise at minimum hit it hard in the draft.
He’s talented  
Breeze_94 : 3/16/2023 1:06 pm : link
Finally put together a full season last year. Not overly productive but that Colts offense was dysfunctional.

He’ll have a chance to break out. Type of guy who has needed a change of scenery.

Still think they draft a WR early.
RE: RE: Has he had any MAJOR INJURIES?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16066807 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16066802 Big Blue '56 said:


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Sep 29, 2019 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Campbell suffered an abdominal injury during the second quarter of the game versus the Raiders, He missed three games
Nov 3, 2019 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture He missed four games following surgery to address a fractured right hand
Dec 8, 2019 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture He suffered a broken foot against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that led him to be placed on the season-ending injured reserve list.

Aug 26, 2020 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Campbell suffered a concussion when he was involved in a minor car accident.
Sep 20, 2020 NFL Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2 Campbell suffered an MCL injury in the first quarter of Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings. He was done for the 2020 season
Sep 20, 2020 NFL Knee PCL Sprain Grade 2 Campbell suffered a PCL injury in the first quarter of Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings. He was done for the 2020 season

Sep 17, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Campbell missed Week 2's game against the Rams due to an abdomen injury.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Foot Sprain Campbell suffered a ‘significant’ foot injury in the Colts' Week 6 win over the Houston Texans.


Thank you eric
1 year deal  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 1:07 pm : link
Supposedly.
robbie i think it's how he was used bc it was low at OSU too  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16066806 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16066794 Eric on Li said:


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for his career he's been 68% slot, 32% wide. he also had a similar % at OSU. so he's played a lot more slot than slayton.

6% drop rate at IND and 8% drop rate at OSU so he catches the ball better than slayton.

he hasn't been as explosive by YPC but athletically he replaces slayton's speed.



when in doubt going with an OSU receiver isnt the worst idea.



I noticed the ypc too. Very low. I had interest in Campbell over the last few years. It was mostly injuries that derailed him but I also thought that Indy was using him all wrong. How does a guy with that explosion average 10 yards per catch? Daboll and Kafka will get this guy the ball with room to run. I think they can get more out of him than he has shown thus far in his career.


this is last year in indy, the vast majority of his targets were 9 yards or less downfield. almost 20% were behind the LOS.

1 year deal  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 1:08 pm : link
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RE: 1 year deal  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16066812 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Supposedly.


I figured the Giants would be very attractive as a 1 year prove it destination for some of these upside guys. You'll have a great opportunity for a high target share with offensive coaches that have a strong reputation.
If ANYONE can get a guy to play  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:09 pm : link
to his max, it’s Dabes..Yes, he can’t prevent injuries
Good  
AcidTest : 3/16/2023 1:12 pm : link
signing. His injury history likely drives down his price, but you either take a chance on a WR like him, or overpay in terms of salary and draft picks for Jeudy, Sutton, etc. I assume this also means that Slayton and James are likely gone, which is fine.
RE: Putting aside Injuries, just for the moment,  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2023 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16066808 Big Blue '56 said:
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I wonder what Sy thought of him at draft time? Drafted in 2nd round


4: Paris Campbell – Ohio State – 6’0/205

Grade: 78

Summary: After a very successful high school track career, Campbell arrived at Ohio State and had to wait awhile before he made a big impact on offense. He turned from athlete to football player and ended his career with two straight All-Big 10 seasons, 2018 being a 1st Team honor. The team captain showed glimpses of elite, game breaking talent who is based on speed and easy movement. He is one of those players who is simply playing at a different speed than his opponents, no matter who is on the field. He still has some rawness to his game but receivers in the Ohio State offense don’t always get the full opportunity to show what they can really do. There is a boom or bust label next to Campbell’s name, but at the very least he will be a dangerous return man and gimmick-player who opposing defenses do not want to deal with.

*I was recently told by someone I trust that Campbell is “definitely” going to be the first WR taken. The NFL loves his skill set and top tier explosion. Campbell has the look of a star but there are a couple things missing for me. First, I think he lacks some of the toughness that is required to be an effective slot and there is an inconsistent attention to detail that isn’t always needed in the OSU offense. Upside is undeniable and I do think he will make plays, but I wouldn’t want him to be my number one guy.
Beats arec funny  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2023 1:12 pm : link
They talked about all FA WRs
Yep, they knew it...
He's had a  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/16/2023 1:12 pm : link
broken foot, hand and a ACL/PCL tear.

A risk potential reward signing. If its a one year deal I like it. He has played 7. 2. 6 and then 17 games.

Could be a lot of upside here. Giants also got to see him on the field this year in addition to preparing for him so they should have a good idea on him imv.
This seems like a really good fit for both sides  
Heisenberg : 3/16/2023 1:13 pm : link
Really liked him in college and wanted the Giants to snag him in the draft. Still some upside there too, if he can stay on the field. He brings upside and the Giants offer opportunity
Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/16/2023 1:13 pm : link
Coaches often sour on players who can't stay on the field. It screws up their planning, wastes their time, and makes them scramble to backfill, when they barely have time to game-plan from week to week and run decent practices to prepare for Sunday.

I suspect he's more expensive than his four-year stats might suggest.
in some ways this is similar to the john ross signing  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:14 pm : link
which was a fine signing until he got injured. i dont mind the gamble though. id rather gamble on a guy with talent not getting injured than gambling on slayton somehow improving his talent catching the ball.
RE: RE: Putting aside Injuries, just for the moment,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16066820 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16066808 Big Blue '56 said:


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I wonder what Sy thought of him at draft time? Drafted in 2nd round



4: Paris Campbell – Ohio State – 6’0/205

Grade: 78

Summary: After a very successful high school track career, Campbell arrived at Ohio State and had to wait awhile before he made a big impact on offense. He turned from athlete to football player and ended his career with two straight All-Big 10 seasons, 2018 being a 1st Team honor. The team captain showed glimpses of elite, game breaking talent who is based on speed and easy movement. He is one of those players who is simply playing at a different speed than his opponents, no matter who is on the field. He still has some rawness to his game but receivers in the Ohio State offense don’t always get the full opportunity to show what they can really do. There is a boom or bust label next to Campbell’s name, but at the very least he will be a dangerous return man and gimmick-player who opposing defenses do not want to deal with.

*I was recently told by someone I trust that Campbell is “definitely” going to be the first WR taken. The NFL loves his skill set and top tier explosion. Campbell has the look of a star but there are a couple things missing for me. First, I think he lacks some of the toughness that is required to be an effective slot and there is an inconsistent attention to detail that isn’t always needed in the OSU offense. Upside is undeniable and I do think he will make plays, but I wouldn’t want him to be my number one guy.


Excellent! Thank you sir.
Reminscent to the John Ross  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/16/2023 1:14 pm : link
signing from a few years back.

Hopefully he can stay healthy.
RE: Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16066824 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Coaches often sour on players who can't stay on the field. It screws up their planning, wastes their time, and makes them scramble to backfill, when they barely have time to game-plan from week to week and run decent practices to prepare for Sunday.

I suspect he's more expensive than his four-year stats might suggest.


Yeah, I'm gonna guess something similar to what MVS signed for last year.
I like it  
Nephilim : 3/16/2023 1:15 pm : link
A solid signing
RE: RE: Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16066829 AcesUp said:
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In comment 16066824 Big Blue Blogger said:


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Coaches often sour on players who can't stay on the field. It screws up their planning, wastes their time, and makes them scramble to backfill, when they barely have time to game-plan from week to week and run decent practices to prepare for Sunday.

I suspect he's more expensive than his four-year stats might suggest.



Yeah, I'm gonna guess something similar to what MVS signed for last year.


no chance. it's a 1 year deal so i would guess in the 3-5m range with incentives.
RE: RE: Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16066829 AcesUp said:
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In comment 16066824 Big Blue Blogger said:


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Coaches often sour on players who can't stay on the field. It screws up their planning, wastes their time, and makes them scramble to backfill, when they barely have time to game-plan from week to week and run decent practices to prepare for Sunday.

I suspect he's more expensive than his four-year stats might suggest.



Yeah, I'm gonna guess something similar to what MVS signed for last year.


As a 1yr out that was 9m. He's probably in that range.
I like it  
Br00klyn : 3/16/2023 1:16 pm : link
Versatile, explosive, fits the offense well. Definitely an upgrade to the WR group. Good start!
Wish it was the other Campbell  
xman : 3/16/2023 1:16 pm : link
Calais
RE: All you can pick from at WR are misfit toys.  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2023 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16066776 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's like a clearance rack.


Is Slayton the train with square wheels, or the boat that can't float?
Eric  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:17 pm : link
True, I thought MVS was 1yr 9m but that was a funky 3yr with a 1yr out. I doubt he's sub 5 though.
RE: All these weapons and  
Beer Man : 3/16/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:
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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.
Be patient, the team seems to be looking for bargains in Free Agency. They still have a little money to spend on FAs, 10 draft picks, and few of the injured OL coming back. The team is far from done this off-season and I'm sure we will see some OL additions before they are through.
It's a 1 year deal  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2023 1:19 pm : link
Makes sense
In the 2019 draft  
knowledgetimmons : 3/16/2023 1:19 pm : link
I wanted this guy badly. His College tape reminded me of OBJ. The only season he had a decent QB was 2020 with Rivers, and he blew his knee.

I think there's a 50/50 chance he finds success in NY. I like it.
Tweet  
US1 Giants : 3/16/2023 1:20 pm : link
@DDuggan21
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Obviously durability concerns that you'd hope are baked into the contract. But Campbell ran a 4.31 40 at the 2019 combine and fits the separation emphasis for WRs in this offense. Getting faster has clearly been an emphasis this offseason.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:20 pm : link
2019 (sports hernia, broken hand, broken foot), 2020 (MCL and PCL knee injury), and 2021 (broken foot)
showing some serious wheels  
WestCoastGFan : 3/16/2023 1:20 pm : link
and some good cuts here:
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Trust me…  
BigBlueDawg56 : 3/16/2023 1:20 pm : link
He will be healthy in dabs offense. Injuries heal way quicker away from the colts dumpster fire
RE: RE: All you can pick from at WR are misfit toys.  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16066838 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 16066776 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's like a clearance rack.



Is Slayton the train with square wheels, or the boat that can't float?


I really like  
Y28 : 3/16/2023 1:21 pm : link
the archive feature on BBI
Link - ( New Window )
Saddest part is he may be our #1 WR right now  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2023 1:21 pm : link
He did play in all the games last season, so maybe his injury past is, well in the past
Was a fan of PC in the draft...  
bw in dc : 3/16/2023 1:21 pm : link
But his availability issues are concerning for sure.

PC has timed well in measuring his speed but I'm not sure that's translated to the NFL field.

Imagine deal is low risk-high reward.

JFC, what a horrible year for free agent WRs. I'm not sure I've ever seen this bad of a crop.
Honesty,a low risk 1 year prove it deal  
Rick in Dallas : 3/16/2023 1:21 pm : link
I like this signing by Schoen.
I still believe the Giants will draft several WR’s in April.
Schoen at work building a roster.
For me now it’s all about the IOL now. Giants need a center and guard.
So far......  
Koffman : 3/16/2023 1:21 pm : link
We have added two sub 4.4 guys in the WR room. If nothing else we can out-run other teams.
that's cheap.  
Heisenberg : 3/16/2023 1:22 pm : link

Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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The #Giants are adding WR Parris Campbell, as
@Schultz_Report
said. Source on the terms of the deal: One year, $3 million.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16066833 Eric on Li said:
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no chance. it's a 1 year deal so i would guess in the 3-5m range with incentives.


1yr 3m per Garafalo. Good call. Great signing.
Works for me  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2023 1:23 pm : link
risky but a 1 year deal and is a big talent upgrade from Slayton.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Interesting that Groh would vouch for Campbell.  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/16/2023 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16066859 AcesUp said:
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In comment 16066833 Eric on Li said:


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no chance. it's a 1 year deal so i would guess in the 3-5m range with incentives.



1yr 3m per Garafalo. Good call. Great signing.


Better than paying Lazard 11M a year LOL
I saw the low ypc  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 1:24 pm : link
and was confused..but if you go watch his highlights with Indy, it makes sense..he was used almost exclusively underneath...that is automatically going to lower his ypc.

But you can see his ability on those sorts of routes..he has explosion. I like it more after watching his 2022 highlight reel...he can definitely play..and shows some versatility in his game...based on what Kafka was going last year he brings more versatility to the WR group, along with some explosive yac ability...which we've been horrible at for some time now.
Low risk  
Sean : 3/16/2023 1:24 pm : link
This is what you are going to get with this WR group in FA. There just isn’t much out there.
RE: that's cheap.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16066858 Heisenberg said:
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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49s
The #Giants are adding WR Parris Campbell, as
@Schultz_Report
said. Source on the terms of the deal: One year, $3 million.


Excellent. I'll take 3 guys like this at this price over a Meyers or the other WR who signed for over 10 mil per year.
Speed is not the question or concern,  
prdave73 : 3/16/2023 1:25 pm : link
It’s durability. Can he stay on the field?
RE: I really like  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16066853 Y28 said:
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the archive feature on BBI Link - ( New Window )


he he he
A Ham and Egger  
Carl in CT : 3/16/2023 1:25 pm : link
No difference maker. We need quality (yes and quantity). Please find a stud.
RE: RAS  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/16/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16066770 Thegratefulhead said:
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Tha flying 20 is very fast. If he can get behind the D, watch out.
Holy Crap !!!  
Y28 : 3/16/2023 1:26 pm : link
It's likely
YANKEE28 : 2/17/2023 4:20 pm : link
in Campbell's best interest to sign a one year "prove it" deal that includes incentives.

For that reason, and you are probably talking about a $3 million contract, I remain interested.
RE: RE: that's cheap.  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/16/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16066864 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 16066858 Heisenberg said:


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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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49s
The #Giants are adding WR Parris Campbell, as
@Schultz_Report
said. Source on the terms of the deal: One year, $3 million.



Excellent. I'll take 3 guys like this at this price over a Meyers or the other WR who signed for over 10 mil per year.


Agreed
1 for 3 mil!  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 1:26 pm : link
Nice move by the Giants... he plays well and he gets a big contract. He will be highly motivated.
Great Deal for Giants  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2023 1:26 pm : link
.
Durability issues  
Mike in NY : 3/16/2023 1:27 pm : link
But definitely has more than enough upside on a team friendly contract
RE: A Ham and Egger  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16066870 Carl in CT said:
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No difference maker. We need quality (yes and quantity). Please find a stud.


On this roster? He very much is a difference maker if he can stay on the field.
Right now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:28 pm : link
he's arguably the best WR on the team.
Good deal  
The_Taxman89_10 : 3/16/2023 1:28 pm : link
I was afraid we overpaid him but when I saw 1 year/3 mil I was more than pleasantly surprised. Very good signing for that money.

Last year was his 1st full season. He essentially missed almost all of his 1st 3 seasons in the league which is a concern. But he is talented and a legit #3 receiver when healthy. This also signals that Slayton is gone. I still would like to see them bring in Theilen and draft a WR in either the 1st or 2nd round.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/16/2023 1:29 pm : link
Great situation for him.

Probably enters training camp as #1 WR
He has kind of weird injuries  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/16/2023 1:29 pm : link
Not the kind you worry about as accumulating, just a lot of different ones.
RE: I saw the low ypc  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2023 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16066862 BSIMatt said:
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and was confused..but if you go watch his highlights with Indy, it makes sense..he was used almost exclusively underneath...that is automatically going to lower his ypc.

But you can see his ability on those sorts of routes..he has explosion. I like it more after watching his 2022 highlight reel...he can definitely play..and shows some versatility in his game...based on what Kafka was going last year he brings more versatility to the WR group, along with some explosive yac ability...which we've been horrible at for some time now.


Definitely. When I watched them it wasn't just the underneath routes but the actual routes themselves. They were like hitches. You aren't going to be running after the catch a lot on those types of routes. Under Garrett all we said was his offense was archaic. We'd run all hitches and then Jones would hold the ball when his first read wasn't open which then turned into he sucks and can't read a defense. That isn't a play to have reads on and go through progressions. It's dumb. Then, one year later, we are seeing our coaches make guys like Sills, Slayton, Hodgins, James, etc. look halfway decent. It is the plays they have installed. So, I still expect Campbell to be running shorter routes but there is a huge difference between a 9 yard crossing route and a 9 yard hitch. I really like this signing.
1 year 3mil  
mattlawson : 3/16/2023 1:29 pm : link
good risk/reward here
Honestly  
5BowlsSoon : 3/16/2023 1:30 pm : link
I still was hoping to acquire a WR or TE without a resume full of injuries. I really want to get past that….it seems guys with resumes are less likely to stay healthy all season. I hope I’m wrong on this.
RE: Honestly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16066887 5BowlsSoon said:
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I still was hoping to acquire a WR or TE without a resume full of injuries. I really want to get past that….it seems guys with resumes are less likely to stay healthy all season. I hope I’m wrong on this.


Guys without warts don't hit free agency.
Up to 7 mil  
Chip : 3/16/2023 1:31 pm : link
with playing time incentives
Again,  
AcidTest : 3/16/2023 1:31 pm : link
guys like Campbell and Smith are what is available since the Giants smartly don't want to overpay. Two WRs and a TE with speed. My guess is we add two WR in the draft and perhaps another after final cuts. Resigning Slayton and/or James is also possible, although that seems less likely now.
RE: Right now  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:31 pm : link
In comment 16066880 Eric from BBI said:
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he's arguably the best WR on the team.


wouldnt go that far. hodgins was the highest rated in every advanced metric by a good margin and the ability to catch the football is something he's shown going back to college. a half season isn't such a small sample size.
I'm excited about the possibility of Parris Campbell  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2023 1:32 pm : link
but definitely sober at his production. 1 year flyer, lets hope its a homerun!
RE: RE: All you can pick from at WR are misfit toys.  
Chef : 3/16/2023 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16066838 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 16066776 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It's like a clearance rack.



Is Slayton the train with square wheels, or the boat that can't float?


The gun that squirts jelly...
Definitely doesn’t check the dependable box  
illmatic : 3/16/2023 1:34 pm : link
But hopefully he surprises us this year.
RE: Up to 7 mil  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16066890 Chip said:
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with playing time incentives


100k per game roster bonus so up to an additional 1.7M just for lacing up. Giants protect themselves against injury.
I like it  
Biteymax22 : 3/16/2023 1:35 pm : link
Player with a very high ceiling who's salary is tied to whether or not he hits it.

If things don't work out there are 0 long term ramifications.

Good "value" buy by Schoen.
robbie here's campbells depth of target in his last year at osu  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:36 pm : link
you can see they used him behind the los even more than indy last year. he caught 82% of his targets for 91 receptions, 1k yards, 12 tds. and on 80 of his catches he was targeted 4 yards or less downfield.



campbell may be more of an upside replacement for richie james than slayton. though ideally he does a combo of both.
I am not buying his Jersey...  
Tom from LI : 3/16/2023 1:37 pm : link
Just another body. I wasn't a fan of his in college. Here is hoping for the best for him.

Open mind... :)
RE: He's had a  
k2tampa : 3/16/2023 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16066822 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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broken foot, hand and a ACL/PCL tear.

A risk potential reward signing. If its a one year deal I like it. He has played 7. 2. 6 and then 17 games.

Could be a lot of upside here. Giants also got to see him on the field this year in addition to preparing for him so they should have a good idea on him imv.


MCL and PCL, not ACL, and no surgery needed.
RE: All these weapons and  
bmgints : 3/16/2023 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:
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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.


Yes I’m getting concerned that the collection of “weapons” we have can coexist. Are there enough touches to go around? I’d look at what the greatest show on turf rams did but concerned our collection of weapons dwarfs those guys.
Sarcasm off.
I also hope they can resign Richie James  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2023 1:38 pm : link
valuable backup that can return kicks (somewhat)
contract details from mike g  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 1:38 pm : link
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
Full breakdown on #Giants WR Parris Campbell’s deal:

$1.5m signing bonus

$1.4m base salary (fully guaranteed)

$100k workout bonus

$100k for each game active (up to $1.7 million total)

Incentives up to $1.9m
$200k for each level hit:
- 4, 6 & 8 Receiving TDs
- 55, 65 & 75 receptions
- 700, 800, 900 receiving yards

$100k for leading the team in any of the following: receptions, receiving yards or receiving TDs
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:39 pm : link

Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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8m
Parris Campbell's Giants contract is a one-year contract worth up to $6.7 million, per source.

Terms:

$3 million base ($1.5M signing bonus, $1.4 million G'd salary, $100K workout)

Up to $1.7M in per game roster bonuses ($100K a game)
I wonder if he can  
WestCoastGFan : 3/16/2023 1:40 pm : link
return punts.
I think that's it for James  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:40 pm : link
Unless he's still hanging around after the dust settles and available for the min. Campbell better at specials. Shep kind of pushes him out too.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants hit this shelf again for more of an outside WR.
I’m having  
George : 3/16/2023 1:41 pm : link
John Ross flashbacks with this one …
The goal of the off-season is to  
Breeze_94 : 3/16/2023 1:41 pm : link
Get better

In regards to their pass catchers, they swapped out:

Slayton & James —> Waller & Campbell

This is a start. Now we need these guys and Robinson to stay healthy.

And I’m sure WR remains high on their priorities heading into the draft.
Nice  
Toth029 : 3/16/2023 1:42 pm : link
Move and contract.

Still opens up another FA vet possibility
at WR.

I definitely see them drafting at least one high.
RE: I’m having  
Toth029 : 3/16/2023 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16066920 George said:
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John Ross flashbacks with this one …


Ross not only had injuries concerns but drops too. Campbell hasn't had drop issues.
Campbell 100% could bust  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 1:45 pm : link
and have a similar impact to Ross. But you have to assume that the Giants will also have a high draft pick and potentially another of these signings in play as well. It's a 1yr.
Nice blurb from PFF on Campbell  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 1:45 pm : link
On their list of "One underrated free agent at every position"

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Wide Receiver: Parris Campbell

2022 Team: Indianapolis Colts
2022 PFF Grade: 60.8

Before the potential wave of releases, this looks to be a very weak free-agent wide receiver class at the top. But for teams in need of a dependable WR3, and perhaps even a WR2 if he can stay healthy, Campbell is an option. He has dropped just six of the 103 catchable passes thrown his way since entering the NFL.


Yac and drop rate have been issues for Giants WRs for some time now.
One underrated 2023 NFL free agent at every position - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Right now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16066892 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16066880 Eric from BBI said:


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he's arguably the best WR on the team.



wouldnt go that far. hodgins was the highest rated in every advanced metric by a good margin and the ability to catch the football is something he's shown going back to college. a half season isn't such a small sample size.


I would go that far.
I can def see Campbell  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2023 1:46 pm : link
running those crossing routes that Slayton was effective with, plus Ohio State had those galore.
RE: I can def see Campbell  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16066936 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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running those crossing routes that Slayton was effective with, plus Ohio State had those galore.


May even catch the pass on them too
Seems more like Wandale insurance  
widmerseyebrow : 3/16/2023 1:47 pm : link
.
RE: I’m having  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16066920 George said:
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John Ross flashbacks with this one …


John Ross best catching year he had 28 catches with 8 drops... His second best was 21 catches with 7 drops...

Not the same player at all.
I  
AcidTest : 3/16/2023 1:48 pm : link
wouldn't count on Wan' Dale this year. He tore his ACL pretty late in the season and his whole game is predicated on lateral quickness and shiftiness. That takes time to come back.
RE: showing some serious wheels  
k2tampa : 3/16/2023 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16066848 WestCoastGFan said:
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and some good cuts here: some burst - ( New Window )


The best part wasn't his wheels and cuts, it was that he snatches the ball with his hands. Not a body catcher.
Schoen has traded for and signed  
Gjfro : 3/16/2023 1:51 pm : link
the two best pass catchers on the team right now in the past two days.
Won't anyone think about how this affects Jeff Smith?  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 1:51 pm : link
You heartless bastards!
Nextgen stats had Campbell tracked  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 1:51 pm : link
as the fastest ball carrier in 2002, at 22.11 MPH. Incredibly, it was on a 26 yard touchdown run. You usually see those higher MPHs on longer plays where the player has time to build up to top speed.
Nextgen: Fastest Ball Carriers - ( New Window )
Between him and Waller  
RicFlair : 3/16/2023 1:51 pm : link
“Smart, tough, dependable”. Maybe not as important as posters like to think.
RE: Holy Crap !!!  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2023 1:51 pm : link
In comment 16066872 Y28 said:
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It's likely
YANKEE28 : 2/17/2023 4:20 pm : link
in Campbell's best interest to sign a one year "prove it" deal that includes incentives.

For that reason, and you are probably talking about a $3 million contract, I remain interested.


Hey Yankee...what are the lottery numbers for tomorrow?
I like it  
RicFlair : 3/16/2023 1:52 pm : link
.
RE: I’m having  
k2tampa : 3/16/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16066920 George said:
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John Ross flashbacks with this one …


Way better hands than Ross. And a better route runner. Not just a fast guy who runs fly and post patterns.
Doesn't last year, by playing in 17 games, count as his prove-it year?  
Marty in Albany : 3/16/2023 1:54 pm : link
I'd be more worried if he played in every game his first two seasons and then was IRed all of last season.

Personally, I'd have preferred Paris Hilton, but that's just me ;-)
Giants are a great destination for a #2 or#3 type WR  
gersh : 3/16/2023 1:54 pm : link
To get a lot of touches in a one year deal
RE: ...  
Dr. D : 3/16/2023 1:55 pm : link
In comment 16066847 Eric from BBI said:
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2019 (sports hernia, broken hand, broken foot), 2020 (MCL and PCL knee injury), and 2021 (broken foot)

Kind of makes me think of Mike Sherrard. Hope he continues to have better luck going forward.
Not bad  
David B. : 3/16/2023 1:56 pm : link
They need guys who -- when healthy -- have ceilings higher than the practice squad. Campbell's one of them if he can finally stay on the field.

Guessing the contract probably has incentives for each game he plays, so if he's healthy, he makes more.


RE: Right now  
Carl in CT : 3/16/2023 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16066880 Eric from BBI said:
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he's arguably the best WR on the team.


Eric that’s the problem.
Offers some Chiefs-like flexibility  
Lionhart28 : 3/16/2023 1:58 pm : link
on creative running plays and in the redzone as well.
RE: RE: Right now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16066966 Carl in CT said:
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In comment 16066880 Eric from BBI said:


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he's arguably the best WR on the team.



Eric that’s the problem.


Yup. Shepard and Robinson have ACLs. Hodgins is a nice player. This guy would start immediately today.
RE: Schoen has traded for and signed  
Ron Johnson : 3/16/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16066948 Gjfro said:
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the two best pass catchers on the team right now in the past two days.


What happened to Hodgins?
RE: Offers some Chiefs-like flexibility  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 1:59 pm : link
In comment 16066970 Lionhart28 said:
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on creative running plays and in the redzone as well.


Yes.
waller is the best receiver on the team regardless of position label  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:00 pm : link
hodgins performed the best last year, the only caveat is he played 11 actives because buf had him inactive for most of the year.

campbell is an upside depth signing coming off his own personal best year but in a game tomorrow he'd be the 3rd option behind the other 2.

based on numbers they are clearly going to continue adding more receivers through the rest of the offseason and almost definitely draft someone day 1 or 2.
Very good signing.  
The Mike : 3/16/2023 2:00 pm : link
He had one of the best combines I can ever recall for wide receivers n 2019. So much so that he was drafted eighteen slots ahead of his Buckeye teammate, Terry McLaurin.

The injury risk is legit and that is the only reason he is coming so cheap. If he can stay healthy, he could be the best/fastest slot receiver in the NFL. Well worth the risk. Waller, Breida, Barkley, Campbell and Smith/Robinson on the field at the same time would be among the fastest offensive playmaking tandems in the NFL.

Huge improvement already if they can stay healthy. Just need our number one receiver now.

Good job Joe Schoen!
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 2:02 pm : link
is a really good signing IMO. Kind of guy who I was hoping for. If he can just stay healthy like last year.
this is an excellent deal  
GiantsFan84 : 3/16/2023 2:03 pm : link
didn't break the bank on the money. no long term commitment if he can't stay healthy. and when healthy he's a better player and a more reliable player than slayton.

they also needed speed to clear things out for waller.

i'd love to see them draft tillman from tennessee in rd 2 and tank dell in round 3.
RE: this  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2023 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16066981 Eric from BBI said:
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is a really good signing IMO. Kind of guy who I was hoping for. If he can just stay healthy like last year.


Low risk high upside, can't complain.
RE: this  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 2:04 pm : link
In comment 16066981 Eric from BBI said:
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is a really good signing IMO. Kind of guy who I was hoping for. If he can just stay healthy like last year.


I'm working on it.

Nice.  
Joe Beckwith : 3/16/2023 2:04 pm : link
We now have guys that, to use Sy’56 ‘s word, SCARES defenses.
Definitely helps the OL, DJ, and the RBs.
Wait until they add 1 or 2 WR draftees!
...  
christian : 3/16/2023 2:06 pm : link
Campbell replaces James I'd think.
RE: waller is the best receiver on the team regardless of position label  
section125 : 3/16/2023 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16066975 Eric on Li said:
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hodgins performed the best last year, the only caveat is he played 11 actives because buf had him inactive for most of the year.

campbell is an upside depth signing coming off his own personal best year but in a game tomorrow he'd be the 3rd option behind the other 2.

based on numbers they are clearly going to continue adding more receivers through the rest of the offseason and almost definitely draft someone day 1 or 2.


He may be #2 option. Much more speed than Hodgins.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 2:07 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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18m
#Giants #Okereke - "excited as hell" for campbell to join .... FAST and a great leader and a great guy...always had elite speed and he's more resilient after his injuries
RE: ...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2023 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16066989 christian said:
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Campbell replaces James I'd think.


I hope James grabs a depth spot. I thought he played clutch, returns kicks and is tough as hell.
RE: Schoen has traded for and signed  
Gfan in PA : 3/16/2023 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16066948 Gjfro said:
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the two best pass catchers on the team right now in the past two days.


Not to sound like a dad but Bellinger has some pretty good hands as well. That was one of his strenghts comming out and in his first season.
RE: Won't anyone think about how this affects Jeff Smith?  
Wiggy : 3/16/2023 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16066949 Klaatu said:
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You heartless bastards!

For some reason the name Jeff Smith doesn’t get me fired up… not a great football name
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2023 2:14 pm : link
Parris Campbell
@PCampbell21
·
1h
Thank you Lord for a new day. I trust you 🙏🏾
RE: RE: Won't anyone think about how this affects Jeff Smith?  
Lionhart28 : 3/16/2023 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16067003 Wiggy said:
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In comment 16066949 Klaatu said:


Quote:


You heartless bastards!


For some reason the name Jeff Smith doesn’t get me fired up… not a great football name


Jeff Smith Realty, LLC
RE: RE: waller is the best receiver on the team regardless of position label  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16066991 section125 said:
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In comment 16066975 Eric on Li said:


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hodgins performed the best last year, the only caveat is he played 11 actives because buf had him inactive for most of the year.

campbell is an upside depth signing coming off his own personal best year but in a game tomorrow he'd be the 3rd option behind the other 2.

based on numbers they are clearly going to continue adding more receivers through the rest of the offseason and almost definitely draft someone day 1 or 2.



He may be #2 option. Much more speed than Hodgins.


if you just prorate hodgins to a full season he was going to get close to 1k yards and 10tds. that's despite getting claimed mid year and learning a new offense. next gen stats had his ability to catch the ball in the 85th percentile and overall the 21st highest rated receiver.

i like the campbell signing because id rather roll the dice on upside than slayton, but he's also likely taking less $ than slayton will get paid which says something about what the nfl thinks his chances are.
RE: RE: Won't anyone think about how this affects Jeff Smith?  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16067003 Wiggy said:
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In comment 16066949 Klaatu said:


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You heartless bastards!


For some reason the name Jeff Smith doesn’t get me fired up… not a great football name


Suppose we call him "Bubba." Would that do it for you?
would imagine this means more of an outside wr  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:20 pm : link
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
7m
The Giants, again, are not done at the wide receiver position. Still hoping to add to the group.


maybe theres a lighter market for slayton than expected.
Stretch the field WR that should open up  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2023 2:21 pm : link
running plays more for SB.
Not bad. Not a huge fan of a WR who you have to put in bubble wrap  
Anakim : 3/16/2023 2:23 pm : link
But for 1-year, 3M, it's a nice prove-it deal and Campbell does have excellent speed. He probably plays slot and WR4 while Wan'Dale is out.
garafolo is saying he thinks the salary ends up more like 4.7m  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:24 pm : link
obviously will depend on what he ends up getting but id have gone with hardman over campbell. more versatile and fewer injury risks. maybe his $ ask is way beyond that or maybe they didnt want to go multi-year deal, but this is a pretty expensive contract for a guy who has ended up on IR 3 out of 4 years so far.
Loving these low risk / high reward signings  
SteelGiant : 3/16/2023 2:25 pm : link
Cheap players who had some bad luck but are good football players with something to prove

So does this change what FA receive is next?

If you were a Hardman or Chark person does this which one of those you prefer now, if you could still get one?
RE: Not bad. Not a huge fan of a WR who you have to put in bubble wrap  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2023 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16067018 Anakim said:
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But for 1-year, 3M, it's a nice prove-it deal and Campbell does have excellent speed. He probably plays slot and WR4 while Wan'Dale is out.


Right now he’s our starting WR. If we draft someone high then Campbell likely still starts. He’s only a WR4 if everything else goes to plan and works out which isn’t likely.
So  
Spider43 : 3/16/2023 2:27 pm : link
This means BPA at #25, methinks. With an emphasis on corner and OL. I'd lean towards OL.
RE: Loving these low risk / high reward signings  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16067020 SteelGiant said:
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Cheap players who had some bad luck but are good football players with something to prove

So does this change what FA receive is next?

If you were a Hardman or Chark person does this which one of those you prefer now, if you could still get one?


i think campbell and hardman are a little too duplicative of each other's skill sets. they both catch a lot of balls at or around the line of scrimmage.

chark is more of a prototypical outside receiver. i could see him or slayton on similar 1 year deal + incentives.

seeing campbell's price almost double beyond the initial 3m reported is a little surprising to me but i guess they like him that much.
garafolo says giants still looking at wrs  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 2:29 pm : link
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
9m
From Free Agency Frenzy on @nflnetwork: The #Giants have added Parris Campbell and Darren Waller in recent days. They’re still nosing around in free agency and the Draft to add more targets for Daniel Jones.
John Ross 2.0  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/16/2023 2:30 pm : link
type signing with the 1 year prove it deal.

Nice contract. Hopefully he stays healthy.
Best Part  
Dankbeerman : 3/16/2023 2:30 pm : link
of this signing is he really belives that he can up his value here. He needs tobprove his worth and sees the potential here. We would have to overpay for someone to come here in years past.
RE: RE: RE: Won't anyone think about how this affects Jeff Smith?  
Wiggy : 3/16/2023 2:31 pm : link
In comment 16067010 Klaatu said:
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In comment 16067003 Wiggy said:


Quote:


In comment 16066949 Klaatu said:


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You heartless bastards!


For some reason the name Jeff Smith doesn’t get me fired up… not a great football name



Suppose we call him "Bubba." Would that do it for you?
much better 🤣
RE: garafolo says giants still looking at wrs  
Anakim : 3/16/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16067026 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
9m
From Free Agency Frenzy on @nflnetwork: The #Giants have added Parris Campbell and Darren Waller in recent days. They’re still nosing around in free agency and the Draft to add more targets for Daniel Jones.


DJ Chark! I mean he's also an injury-prone WR, but I love those H/W/S guys
RE: John Ross 2.0  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16067027 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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type signing with the 1 year prove it deal.

Nice contract. Hopefully he stays healthy.


again... John Ross best year 28 catches with 8 drops... second best year 21 catches with 7 drops. This is not the same. Campbell issue is he couldn't stay healthy, but last year played all 17 games finally and put up a over 60 catch over 600 yard season with crap at QB. He is fast, has good hands, and runs good routes. He is going to make an impact on our team. This isn't John Ross.
RE: garafolo says giants still looking at wrs  
DanMetroMan : 3/16/2023 2:36 pm : link
In comment 16067026 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
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From Free Agency Frenzy on @nflnetwork: The #Giants have added Parris Campbell and Darren Waller in recent days. They’re still nosing around in free agency and the Draft to add more targets for Daniel Jones.


Kinda goes without saying, no? Especially with the draft.
RE: Between him and Waller  
81_Great_Dane : 3/16/2023 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16066951 RicFlair said:
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“Smart, tough, dependable”. Maybe not as important as posters like to think.
You can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If you decide Paris Campbell isn't dependable enough for you, then sure, you don't sign him, but that's not the question. The question is: Is he an upgrade over the worst WR on the roster? The Giants WR depth chart is a horror show. There are a lot of guys who are barely NFL players. Parris Campbell bumps one of them off the roster.

He doesn't have to be everything you'd want to be something you want.
FWIW  
SomeFan : 3/16/2023 2:41 pm : link
his combine numbers were good including an 11’3” broad jump that is one of highest I have seen.
RE: Seems obvious  
81_Great_Dane : 3/16/2023 2:44 pm : link
In comment 16066777 Thegratefulhead said:
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That this regime values separation above all other traits.
There was talk at some point lst season that Jones doesn't like to throw 50/50 balls — maybe because it was sort of beaten into him not to take chances with the football. That reluctance was supposed to have been a reason he didn't mesh well with Golladay. Golladay isn't often "open," so DJ didn't throw to him. Golladay's game was supposed to be making catches when he's "covered," and DJ didn't trust him for that.

So if the idea is to that DJ will throw to guys who get separation, and won't to guys who don't, then yeah, separation is the most important thing.

At some point, it'd be nice for DJ to have a WR he trusts enough to throw to when the WR doesn't have separation. That guy probably has to come through the draft.
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/16/2023 2:46 pm : link
think some of you guys are under the impression that the Campbell/Smith's of the world = Schoen done looking for better/long term weapons for DJ. They can both look for short-term, "better than what they had last year" options, while keeping their eyes on "legit good NFL weapons" as the goal longer term.
He’ll take Slayton’s spot most likely  
jeff57 : 3/16/2023 2:48 pm : link
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RE: RE: waller is the best receiver on the team regardless of position label  
k2tampa : 3/16/2023 2:50 pm : link
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hodgins performed the best last year, the only caveat is he played 11 actives because buf had him inactive for most of the year.

campbell is an upside depth signing coming off his own personal best year but in a game tomorrow he'd be the 3rd option behind the other 2.

based on numbers they are clearly going to continue adding more receivers through the rest of the offseason and almost definitely draft someone day 1 or 2.



He may be #2 option. Much more speed than Hodgins.


Defensive coordinators weren't worried about Hodgins beating them. No one on the team required double coverage last year. Getting Waller and Campbell means there are now two players who can stretch the field and score on long plays. DC's are now going to have to scheme a little to play against this offense.
RE: I  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2023 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16067063 DanMetroMan said:
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think some of you guys are under the impression that the Campbell/Smith's of the world = Schoen done looking for better/long term weapons for DJ. They can both look for short-term, "better than what they had last year" options, while keeping their eyes on "legit good NFL weapons" as the goal longer term.


Of course
AND, he fits the culture  
Dave on the UWS : 3/16/2023 2:54 pm : link
they are building here. By reputation, a really good person as well. That's more important to Schoen and Daboll than people realize.
AND, he fits the culture  
Dave on the UWS : 3/16/2023 2:54 pm : link
they are building here. By reputation, a really good person as well. That's more important to Schoen and Daboll than people realize.
Re all these weapons...  
clatterbuck : 3/16/2023 2:57 pm : link
One day at a time, my friend. WR is an area of glaring need.
RE: tough, smart, dependable  
Wildcardgiants : 3/16/2023 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16066804 I Love Clams Casino said:
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tough, smart dependable


Dependable has "nothing" to do with injuries...
in the film....looks to be a bigger, stronger,faster Shepard  
BCD : 3/16/2023 3:02 pm : link
also appears to a clutch 3rd down guy. Nice pickup.
RE: Love signings like this  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 3/16/2023 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16066798 Big Rick in FL said:
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I'm sure he will be cheap. Gamble on a young player with upside.


This.
Kinda weird that with the speed and hands  
widmerseyebrow : 3/16/2023 3:08 pm : link
he's not much of a big play guy dating back to college.
Considering what’s out there  
Rudy5757 : 3/16/2023 3:09 pm : link
It’s a good signing. Low rush high reward. If he’s healthy he could thrive in this O. I just wish we would sign guys that are not China dolls.
Great deal.  
Matt M. : 3/16/2023 3:10 pm : link
They still need a #1, but he could be a #2.

They are at least starting to get depth with guys better than who we had/have in place. IF (big if) Shepard gets healthy and Robinson gets healthy, we are starting to build a better unit. Hodgins is a nice to have, but should not be on the field for most of the snaps. I have a feeling, though, they will be rotating guys in and out regularly, every couple of snaps.
RE: AND, he fits the culture  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/16/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16067089 Dave on the UWS said:
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they are building here. By reputation, a really good person as well. That's more important to Schoen and Daboll than people realize.


Seems something the Giants have gone off the rails on for the last decade.
Shep and Robinson Aside  
HMunster : 3/16/2023 3:27 pm : link
Teams will now have to pay attention to Waller and Campbell, both of whom can stretch the field, which will allow Hodgins and James to operate underneath. That, plus they need to worry about Saquon either rushing or on screens and designed receiving plays. Not to mention DJ rushing as well. Adding another vet WR and one in the draft will really help this offense open up.
Smart, tough, dependable - and cheap  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2023 3:29 pm : link
that is the mantra
RE: Smart, tough, dependable - and cheap  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 3:35 pm : link
In comment 16067148 PatersonPlank said:
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that is the mantra


And also what I look for in a woman (especially cheap).
this is a depth signing.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/16/2023 3:42 pm : link

Someone to help out in the slot.

Should be the WR4 when it's all said and done.
RE: Kinda weird that with the speed and hands  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16067118 widmerseyebrow said:
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he's not much of a big play guy dating back to college.


They throw so many passes at or near the line of scrimmage to him because he can make a guy miss and pick up 6-10 yards easy. When he went deep he would catch some bad throws. I think he hasn't even reached his potential.
This may have been plan B. We ll never know. But I like it.  
Blue21 : 3/16/2023 3:46 pm : link
.Although reading the archived posts from YANKEE28 it might have been plan A.
RE: RE: Smart, tough, dependable - and cheap  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2023 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16067156 Klaatu said:
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that is the mantra



And also what I look for in a woman (especially cheap).


For me it tough, dependable, and cheap. Don't care much about smarts
I like this signing (and the trade actually)  
MotownGIANTS : 3/16/2023 3:47 pm : link
However ... this shows how bad our pass catching options were (are). I think we all really like Bellinger for the most part and he was our best option for a couple weeks there before Hodgins started to get his shot. Waller over takes Bellinger and Campbell takes Hodgin's spot potentially, at least by popular opinion. Neither player is going to have DC's like ok we need to contain him.

Campbell is our shinny new used car ... He is a number 2 *when* healthy. We still need a #1 and Robinson is not that. Personally at this point I'd like to resign Slayton and draft 2 more WRs with #1 potential in mind. With this pick-up and the other moves ... I'm shifting my guess to cluster approach in rds 1 thru 3 from 2 WRs, 1CB and BPA on IOL/OLB/ILB to WR(1), CB(1) and IOL(1)

I was semi surprised at the ILB move ... splashier than I expected. As I said in the other thread last week maybe some semi-slasphy at the position more like the David Long deal. But I was thinking they'll rely on Beavers to come back to form. They are moving with a whole different vibe and energy in the front office. Now if they can take care of the above and hedge the Azeez bet well will be in really good shape for year 2 in the process of Joe & Brian era ....
It's been stated on here previously  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 3:48 pm : link
but Campbell wasn't really used as a stretch the field type. Not saying he couldn't be used that way. He was used more as an explosive yac underneath target, and has jet sweep ability..so that would fit nicely into what Kafka was doing with the offense a year ago. He operated a lot out of the slot. Waller looks more like the stretch the field guy right now looking at his highlights. Again, not saying Campbell couldn't do that, it's just not really how he was used previously(or in college based on what other posters have mentioned). Despite having a shorter adot, he did produce chunk plays. 9 20+(7 20+ receptions and 2 20+ runs), and 1 40+ reception.
Boylhart gave him an early 2nd round grade and compares him to Cruz  
Milton : 3/16/2023 3:55 pm : link
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If your selecting Paris thinking he is the type of receiver who is a potential franchise receiver I’m not sure that would be very smart. He is an impact player who can have an impact without touching the ball as often as other receivers. By moving him around your offense you magnify his speed and quickness and elusiveness. Keep him at one position outside the hash marks and his speed, quickness, and elusiveness will become less impacting and he can be defended by physical corners with help over the top. Can Paris become an every down receiver? Of course, but he has to learn the route tree on the outside and become more physical and show consistency catching contested passes, but the question is, why bother? As long as he is an impact player keep moving him around your offense and let him impact. Victor Cruz was moved to the outside because the Giants gave him a big contract and Victor never had the impact outside that he had being a slot or move receiver who lined up all around the offense.

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RE: So  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16067023 Spider43 said:
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This means BPA at #25, methinks. With an emphasis on corner and OL. I'd lean towards OL.


Parris Campbell on a 1 year deal has no impact on what the Giants do in the 1st round.
Campbell  
stretch234 : 3/16/2023 4:02 pm : link
As much as I rag on Slayton, what does Campbell do better than Slayton
RE: Honesty,a low risk 1 year prove it deal  
ColHowPepper : 3/16/2023 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16066856 Rick in Dallas said:
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I like this signing by Schoen.
I still believe the Giants will draft several WR’s in April.
Schoen at work building a roster.
For me now it’s all about the IOL now. Giants need a center and guard.
Agree, + DL and an edge setting edge
RE: Campbell  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16067183 stretch234 said:
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As much as I rag on Slayton, what does Campbell do better than Slayton


catch the ball
RE: Campbell  
Strahan91 : 3/16/2023 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16067183 stretch234 said:
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As much as I rag on Slayton, what does Campbell do better than Slayton

Catch the football
RE: John Ross 2.0  
Fred-in-Florida : 3/16/2023 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16067027 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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type signing with the 1 year prove it deal.

Nice contract. Hopefully he stays healthy.


That was my original thoughts, but reading about him seems more than just a fast hopefully deep threat.

By most reports he has good hands and runs decent routes, Ross didn't have those qualities.
RE: Campbell  
SteelGiant : 3/16/2023 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16067183 stretch234 said:
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As much as I rag on Slayton, what does Campbell do better than Slayton


I think he is a replacement/upgrade for Ritchie James. But if you want to compare to slayton, he is a better route runner and a more agile athlete. Slayton is really only a vertical threat. Campbell can eat on under routes and create YAC but also has enough speed to go vertical
RE: John Ross 2.0  
Fred-in-Florida : 3/16/2023 4:16 pm : link
In comment 16067027 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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type signing with the 1 year prove it deal.

Nice contract. Hopefully he stays healthy.


That was my original thoughts, but reading about him seems more than just a fast hopefully deep threat.

By most reports he has good hands and runs decent routes, Ross didn't have those qualities.
Slayton and Campbell are nothing alike  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 4:20 pm : link
As far as the types of WRs they are, routes they are asked to run. They could not be more different.
RE: All these weapons and  
joeinpa : 3/16/2023 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16066778 prdave73 said:
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No protection.. smh. I don’t like this signing.


They have last year s draft class returning in which they investing the O line, you writing them off already. Also, unless I missed it, they have another draft coming up this April.
Not sure if it was mentioned in the thread yet  
allstarjim : 3/16/2023 4:37 pm : link
But Campbell had the 6th lowest depth of target in the NFL last year, at just a 6.5 yard avg.

It makes some sense to get him the ball quickly and let him use his skills to get YAC in open space, but I'd like to see Daboll/Kafka use him more on intermediate and deep routes, and I think he will.

I'm fairly ambivalent about this signing, but honestly, it's still a net-positive add given what this team trotted out at WR last year, as long as he can stay on the field.

And I like the emphasis on speed with Waller, Smith, and now PC.

I don't think anything they've done so far would change the approach to the draft in terms of targeting a WR. If the right player and value is there, then they will take a WR.
OTC is reporting it as a $3M deal  
Milton : 3/16/2023 4:45 pm : link
Not sure where they go the number from or if it's reliable.
We needed this signing because we did not have a slot receiver  
SteelGiant : 3/16/2023 4:48 pm : link
Before this we had Shep who might not make the roster because of all the injuries.

Then for all we know Robinson’s career could be toast, he tore his ACL and is a 5’8” receiver who is completely dependent on his quickness and cutting ability. He tore it late in the season and most guys do not get full speed until they are 2 years removed from their injury, so we can’t count on him until 2024.

Campbell is to going to be a starting slot receiver day 1 and we still might draft another one on day 3 of the draft The draft is overloaded with tiny slot guys.

I assume we are still looking for an outside guy and probably drafting one of those too.
….  
BleedBlue : 3/16/2023 4:53 pm : link
We are making low level WR signings because

1. We needed depth
2. We are still going to make a move for a top flight WR or draft one at 25. I think it’s good that giants aren’t shooting for top of market here. It makes me feel they believe they can get a deal done for Jeudy or may move up in April for a WR of choice
RE: We needed this signing because we did not have a slot receiver  
Milton : 3/16/2023 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16067244 SteelGiant said:
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Campbell is to going to be a starting slot receiver day 1 and we still might draft another one on day 3 of the draft The draft is overloaded with tiny slot guys. I assume we are still looking for an outside guy and probably drafting one of those too.
I don't think we know what Schoen and Daboll have in mind. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it's Zay Flowers in round one (I'm starting to think they crave slot receivers the way Belichick craves tight ends).
So a Kadarious Toney replacement  
Boatie Warrant : 3/16/2023 5:21 pm : link
Without the pouting?

Sounds good to me
RE: ….  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/16/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16067256 BleedBlue said:
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We are making low level WR signings because

1. We needed depth
2. We are still going to make a move for a top flight WR or draft one at 25. I think it’s good that giants aren’t shooting for top of market here. It makes me feel they believe they can get a deal done for Jeudy or may move up in April for a WR of choice


Right now I'd love to keep our 1 and 2. I'm 50/50 on giving the 2 for Jeudy but I WOULD do a 2023 3rd and a 2024 2nd if they'd take it.
RE: OTC is reporting it as a $3M deal  
Mike in NY : 3/16/2023 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16067239 Milton said:
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Not sure where they go the number from or if it's reliable.


Technically it is a $3M base if he doesn’t play a game. The bonuses kick in with playing time.
RE: RE: ….  
Carson53 : 3/16/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16067595 CornerStone246+17 said:
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In comment 16067256 BleedBlue said:


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We are making low level WR signings because

1. We needed depth
2. We are still going to make a move for a top flight WR or draft one at 25. I think it’s good that giants aren’t shooting for top of market here. It makes me feel they believe they can get a deal done for Jeudy or may move up in April for a WR of choice




Right now I'd love to keep our 1 and 2. I'm 50/50 on giving the 2 for Jeudy but I WOULD do a 2023 3rd and a 2024 2nd if they'd take it.
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3)They don't have a lot of $ to spend too...need to draft a couple, that's for sure. I doubt Denver would take that for Jeudy as well.
Had he share of injuries  
GeofromNJ : 3/16/2023 7:53 pm : link
In his rookie year, 2019, suffered a sports hernia and missed two games, then suffered a broken hand and missed four games. In Week 2 of 2020, suffered a PCL/MCL to his left knee and was placed on IR. Activated for 2021 season and played in six games. Played in all 17 games in 2022, started in 16, and played the slot, possibly because he may have lost a step due to PCL/MCL injury. He may no longer have 4.4 speed. Would be nice if he did. We'll see.
Nextgen stats tracks fastest ball carriers  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 7:57 pm : link
Each year, includes receptions after the catch as well as handoffs. Campbell was the fastest recorded player in the league a year ago by nextgen at 22.11 mph, and impressively it was on a 26 yard run off a jet sweep. His speed is on full display in his 2022 highlights…I was impressed.
RE: Nextgen stats tracks fastest ball carriers  
GeofromNJ : 3/16/2023 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16067700 BSIMatt said:
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Each year, includes receptions after the catch as well as handoffs. Campbell was the fastest recorded player in the league a year ago by nextgen at 22.11 mph, and impressively it was on a 26 yard run off a jet sweep. His speed is on full display in his 2022 highlights…I was impressed.

Good to hear. Thanks for the info.
RE: Nextgen stats tracks fastest ball carriers  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 9:29 pm : link
In comment 16067700 BSIMatt said:
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Each year, includes receptions after the catch as well as handoffs. Campbell was the fastest recorded player in the league a year ago by nextgen at 22.11 mph, and impressively it was on a 26 yard run off a jet sweep. His speed is on full display in his 2022 highlights…I was impressed.


good find. here's a link to the video, looked like a pretty ho-hum play so wouldnt have thought anything of it.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-top-5-fastest-ball-carriers-of-the-2022-regular-season - ( New Window )
The RPO is going to be deadly  
WestCoastGFan : 3/16/2023 10:55 pm : link
with Barkley and Campbell on those handoffs.
RE: Not sure if it was mentioned in the thread yet  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16067233 allstarjim said:
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But Campbell had the 6th lowest depth of target in the NFL last year, at just a 6.5 yard avg.

It makes some sense to get him the ball quickly and let him use his skills to get YAC in open space, but I'd like to see Daboll/Kafka use him more on intermediate and deep routes, and I think he will.

I'm fairly ambivalent about this signing, but honestly, it's still a net-positive add given what this team trotted out at WR last year, as long as he can stay on the field.

And I like the emphasis on speed with Waller, Smith, and now PC.

I don't think anything they've done so far would change the approach to the draft in terms of targeting a WR. If the right player and value is there, then they will take a WR.


He is an interesting player. This is how the Colts employed him last year...but if you look at his career with the Colts(the sample sizes in the other years are much smaller obviously)...how he was used was varied:

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@TalkinGiants
Giants Paris Campbell alignment by the year

2022:
Slot: 77%
Outside: 23%

2021:
Slot: 9%
Outside: 91%

2020:
Slot: 95%
Outside: 5%

2019:
Slot: 48%
Outside: 52%


In 2021, his ADOT was 16.7. 2020 it was 11.9.

I'm assuming they must have had some pass pro issues in 2022(similar to the Giants in the past where Jones out of necessity had to get the ball out sooner, which forced the offense to shorten up their routes.) Michael Pittmans ADOT last year was only 6.9.(I did look and they gave up a whopping 60 sacks as a team).
One other interesting nextgen stat in Campbells favor  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 11:47 pm : link
His average separation per route, was 3.5. That is an elite number. It tied for 7th in the league among wideouts. Nextgen started tracking that metric in 2017 and no NYG WR has ever hit or surpassed that number. Toney was the closest at 3.4 his rookie season.
I had never  
GruningsOnTheHill : 3/17/2023 6:16 am : link
heard of this Campbell kid, so I checked out a Colts forum where I found they refer to him as a slot receiver. As Wan Robinson is likely out for the 2024 campaign, can we expect that Campbell is basically taking Robinson's place as the slot/gadget guy?
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