Not everything is identical so why even go there. Both players got injured celebrating. That's the connection. Not their names. Not their sports. Not their pets. Just the fact both got injured celebrating.
I would just chalk it up that Diaz was going to get hurt before too long, be it yesterday or next month and hope the Mets can find a fill in closer. Season is far from over no matter what anyone thinks.
Dislocated patella and torn patella tendon are two very different things. A dislocated patella often resolves on its own and doesn't mean you'll miss the entire season, maybe not even a month. And when you tear the patella tendon a part of the patella can break off with the tendon, making it doubly bad. Go back to the Yankees Duston Fowler rupturing his patella tendon in the first inning of his first MLB game. A highly touted prospect, he's played in 87 MLB games since getting hurt in 2017. Of course, no one knows what he might have been.
Do these guys sign a contract waiver for the WBC? Do the Mets have to pay the contract?
I believe there is insurance. Happened with the Yankees and Teixeira; he was never the same afterward. But what does insurance matter when you lose a key player to some ridiculous, manufactured bullshit exhibition tournament?
I would just chalk it up that Diaz was going to get hurt before too long, be it yesterday or next month and hope the Mets can find a fill in closer. Season is far from over no matter what anyone thinks.
Dislocated patella and torn patella tendon are two very different things. A dislocated patella often resolves on its own and doesn't mean you'll miss the entire season, maybe not even a month. And when you tear the patella tendon a part of the patella can break off with the tendon, making it doubly bad. Go back to the Yankees Duston Fowler rupturing his patella tendon in the first inning of his first MLB game. A highly touted prospect, he's played in 87 MLB games since getting hurt in 2017. Of course, no one knows what he might have been.
Yes.. that was exactly the point of my post..
You are just reinforcing and aligning with me, right??
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
I wouldn’t want Giants players playing in an international tournament, if that’s what you’re getting at. I’m glad you like it, but MLB has no reason to let its players participate after the contracted year starts. How that is hypocritical, I have no idea.
But, from the Mets' point of view, it's: "Now what?" Presumably their front office has at least discussed "What happens if he gets hurt?" for every guy in lineup, and the answer is never "We give up on the season." They may not have a Plan B in place, but they have to have thought about one.
Could Megill move to the pen? IIRC he didn't go late into games anyway.
But, from the Mets' point of view, it's: "Now what?" Presumably their front office has at least discussed "What happens if he gets hurt?" for every guy in lineup, and the answer is never "We give up on the season." They may not have a Plan B in place, but they have to have thought about one.
Could Megill move to the pen? IIRC he didn't go late into games anyway.
Megill’s splits against LHB are atrocious. Until that improves, he’s not an option. I’m guessing Robertson may be the best candidate.
The Mets won a 101 games last year, improved the roster overall,
And just lost a 3 win player. Yeah, it sucks. It’s brutal. But losing any of Nimmo, McNeil, Alonso, Scherzer, Verlander, or Lindor would have been much worse.
Robertson has an entire career full of closing games. That’s why you bring in a setup man with closing experience. So they can literally fill in if you lose your closer. Ottavino has some experience as well.
The Mets will be reliever shopping now and at the deadline.
This season is just getting started and there’s plenty to look forward to.
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
Players are free to do whatever they like with their lives. But if as a result they can’t do the job they were contracted to do, their employer should not have to pay them.
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
RE: RE: RE: I'm just as bummed as fuck about this but
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
It doesn’t matter what fans or players think of the WBC, what matters is how MLB teams will respond to losing premier players to catastrophic injuries. They have no obligation to support the WBC.
Mentioned that there was a survey to either the Dominique or Puerto Rico team they asked 6 players what’s more important the WBC or the World Series. 5 said the WBC, one said the same.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
Players are free to do whatever they like with their lives. But if as a result they can’t do the job they were contracted to do, their employer should not have to pay them.
If they have a guaranteed contract, and their team approved them going to the WBC, then they are going to get paid, and they have every right to. A team trying not to pay would get sued and lose.
I always love how people blame things like the way people celebrate
I'm a therapist. I frequently mention Into Thin Air when people start blaming benign or reasonable things to make themselves feel better. I do it too! A bunch of people climbed Mt. Everest. There were sherpas, guides, a socialite, crazy weather, it's the tallest mountain in the world, oxygen is limited, lots of egos, and it's cold as hell. There doesn't need to be anything to blame. When you climb the world's tallest mountain, sometimes people die. When you jump up and down, sometimes you get injured. There is nothing ridiculous about that celebration. I herniated a disc picking up the phone book when I was 23. We love to blame. Now all I have to tell my clients, when they get in that head space, is "when you climb mountains, sometimes people die". There are times where blame is absolutely warranted. But I'm not sure this is one of those times.
The gift of hindsight makes everyone wise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm just as bummed as fuck about this but
I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
It doesn’t matter what fans or players think of the WBC, what matters is how MLB teams will respond to losing premier players to catastrophic injuries. They have no obligation to support the WBC.
Sure, they have no obligation to support it that we know of.
By the way, Steve Cohen allowed at least 3-4 prominent Mets to compete in it and went to the WBC game today to watch Ohtani pitch. He flew to Japan in person to see it.
So there are baseball fans that support it. I do not think he would deny a player who felt strongly about it the right to play in it.
That could be the end of MLB participation in future WBCs
from a sprain to an ankle, Dr. Chao, the former NFL doctor, was at it again. He said he suspected a tendon injury.
Diaz was huge last year and it is a blow to the Mets. But, I think closer is an easier position to fill than if it was a front line starter.
Agree. There are worse options than Robertson we could have been left with to replace him. I'm sure they're also doing their diligence on what arm's they can acquire
Olsen, Riley, Fried, Acuna, the stud catcher they just got.
Or any Phillies, minus Schwarber...no Wheeler, Nola, etc
Riddle me that as Omar Little said.
I hate the WBC and the sooner the US loses (and PR), the better.
The Mets have/had five of their "starters" playing; Lindor, Alonso, McNeil, Escobar and Diaz.
How can one team have so much more exposure than their top rivals?
I paid good $ to see the Mets compete with the players they paid this off-season...and one, worth 100 million, can choose to play in some worthless tournament and expose himself to injury? I don't care what the players think about it. Do they love skydiving and skiing too? How bout an ATV while you're at it?
Sorry, one man's opinion, but Billy Eppler should be accountable for letting his stars play, when the other best teams in the division, for whatever reason, did not.
I'm pissed. Yes, there is a whole season to play, but the Met's chances for post season and beyond just took a big, and totally avoidable, hit.
RE: Wow - When everyone else was speculating a ton of different things
on the ligament. A healthy ligament doesn’t often just tear like that based on an awkward movement during a celebration. Maybe he would’ve been okay for a while, but the ligament was likely a ticking time bomb.
is worse than ACL recovery from what I've experience and heard. Fortunately this isnt football so quick cuts arent part of the job description
This is true. I’m 2.5 months into my rehab after tearing my patella. It’s not easy. We are at a point where I’m still building up strength in and around the knee. I want to get out on the golf course this spring/summer. Until I can put weight on my left side without my knee feeling weak, I’m not there yet..
Very Very carefully- yes it was on the field but it was not a baseball activity per say
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No it wasn't on the field, looking at the video, about 10 guys jumped all over him...that's how he got hurt.
It still sucks for the team, as somebody mentioned up above,
Tex got hurt years ago for the Yanks...and missed most of the season if I recall. I am not a fan of the WBC, there is no good time to have the event, and if I was an owner or GM, would hardly be excited about it!
RE: I always love how people blame things like the way people celebrate
I'm a therapist. I frequently mention Into Thin Air when people start blaming benign or reasonable things to make themselves feel better. I do it too! A bunch of people climbed Mt. Everest. There were sherpas, guides, a socialite, crazy weather, it's the tallest mountain in the world, oxygen is limited, lots of egos, and it's cold as hell. There doesn't need to be anything to blame. When you climb the world's tallest mountain, sometimes people die. When you jump up and down, sometimes you get injured. There is nothing ridiculous about that celebration. I herniated a disc picking up the phone book when I was 23. We love to blame. Now all I have to tell my clients, when they get in that head space, is "when you climb mountains, sometimes people die". There are times where blame is absolutely warranted. But I'm not sure this is one of those times.
The gift of hindsight makes everyone wise.
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You're a therapist, and you are going to use an analogy of climbing Mt. Everest to teammates jumping on a pitcher after a game, really?
Wow, hope you don't charge much per hour...
It would be logical to assume he had permission from the team to join the WBC. The contract is also likely insured.
Not everything is identical so why even go there. Both players got injured celebrating. That's the connection. Not their names. Not their sports. Not their pets. Just the fact both got injured celebrating.
Best case: Dislocated patella
Worst case: Cruz injury
And here we are
Best case: Dislocated patella
Worst case: Cruz injury
And here we are
Dislocated patella and torn patella tendon are two very different things. A dislocated patella often resolves on its own and doesn't mean you'll miss the entire season, maybe not even a month. And when you tear the patella tendon a part of the patella can break off with the tendon, making it doubly bad. Go back to the Yankees Duston Fowler rupturing his patella tendon in the first inning of his first MLB game. A highly touted prospect, he's played in 87 MLB games since getting hurt in 2017. Of course, no one knows what he might have been.
I believe there is insurance. Happened with the Yankees and Teixeira; he was never the same afterward. But what does insurance matter when you lose a key player to some ridiculous, manufactured bullshit exhibition tournament?
Fuck the WBC.
This was jerry Recco take.
Looks like it's a full-thickness tear, which is about as bad as it gets.
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Said last night my guess was...
Best case: Dislocated patella
Worst case: Cruz injury
And here we are
Dislocated patella and torn patella tendon are two very different things. A dislocated patella often resolves on its own and doesn't mean you'll miss the entire season, maybe not even a month. And when you tear the patella tendon a part of the patella can break off with the tendon, making it doubly bad. Go back to the Yankees Duston Fowler rupturing his patella tendon in the first inning of his first MLB game. A highly touted prospect, he's played in 87 MLB games since getting hurt in 2017. Of course, no one knows what he might have been.
Yes.. that was exactly the point of my post..
You are just reinforcing and aligning with me, right??
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
I was hoping it was a simple dislocation and he'd be back without surgery (I had same injury once)...
And my hope was it was NOT the worst case, which is the Cruz injury (torn patellar tendon with damage at connection point to bone)
And it looks like it IS the worst case
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
I wouldn’t want Giants players playing in an international tournament, if that’s what you’re getting at. I’m glad you like it, but MLB has no reason to let its players participate after the contracted year starts. How that is hypocritical, I have no idea.
Could Megill move to the pen? IIRC he didn't go late into games anyway.
Could Megill move to the pen? IIRC he didn't go late into games anyway.
Megill’s splits against LHB are atrocious. Until that improves, he’s not an option. I’m guessing Robertson may be the best candidate.
Robertson has an entire career full of closing games. That’s why you bring in a setup man with closing experience. So they can literally fill in if you lose your closer. Ottavino has some experience as well.
The Mets will be reliever shopping now and at the deadline.
This season is just getting started and there’s plenty to look forward to.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
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I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
Players are free to do whatever they like with their lives. But if as a result they can’t do the job they were contracted to do, their employer should not have to pay them.
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I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
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I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
It doesn’t matter what fans or players think of the WBC, what matters is how MLB teams will respond to losing premier players to catastrophic injuries. They have no obligation to support the WBC.
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I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
Players are free to do whatever they like with their lives. But if as a result they can’t do the job they were contracted to do, their employer should not have to pay them.
If they have a guaranteed contract, and their team approved them going to the WBC, then they are going to get paid, and they have every right to. A team trying not to pay would get sued and lose.
I'm a therapist. I frequently mention Into Thin Air when people start blaming benign or reasonable things to make themselves feel better. I do it too! A bunch of people climbed Mt. Everest. There were sherpas, guides, a socialite, crazy weather, it's the tallest mountain in the world, oxygen is limited, lots of egos, and it's cold as hell. There doesn't need to be anything to blame. When you climb the world's tallest mountain, sometimes people die. When you jump up and down, sometimes you get injured. There is nothing ridiculous about that celebration. I herniated a disc picking up the phone book when I was 23. We love to blame. Now all I have to tell my clients, when they get in that head space, is "when you climb mountains, sometimes people die". There are times where blame is absolutely warranted. But I'm not sure this is one of those times.
The gift of hindsight makes everyone wise.
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I also really hate reading all this backlash on the WBC.
Anyone who is watching this can see that these guys are fucking loving this tournament and to see the stars play and represent the country they were born in is pretty incredible. I've been tuning in every night.
I ask all fans football and baseball alike, who are you to say what players can and can't do with their lives. People complain about being controlled all the time and when fans act like this its so effing hypocritical.
That said, awful news and Eppler needs to go get Britton
Hypocritical? Hardly. These are wealthy employees basically playing in meaningless exhibition games. Would your boss up and let you work for another company for free, possibly get injured, while still paying you? Hell no they wouldn’t.
You like it? That’s nice. That doesn’t change the fact that the WBC is and always has been manufactured bullshit to try and be like baseballs World Cup. It’s not and it never will be.
That's fine, for you.
Anyone who has watched it and listened to players who feel strongly about can tell you that not everyone thinks like you.
It doesn’t matter what fans or players think of the WBC, what matters is how MLB teams will respond to losing premier players to catastrophic injuries. They have no obligation to support the WBC.
Sure, they have no obligation to support it that we know of.
By the way, Steve Cohen allowed at least 3-4 prominent Mets to compete in it and went to the WBC game today to watch Ohtani pitch. He flew to Japan in person to see it.
So there are baseball fans that support it. I do not think he would deny a player who felt strongly about it the right to play in it.
Mariano hurt his knee and missed almost the entire 2012 season. The Yankees still won 95 games.
The Mets owners are no longer named Wilpon. Steve Cohen will do what he has to to find a closer. It just won't be as much fun.
The season is not over before it starts.
Diaz was huge last year and it is a blow to the Mets. But, I think closer is an easier position to fill than if it was a front line starter.
Diaz was huge last year and it is a blow to the Mets. But, I think closer is an easier position to fill than if it was a front line starter.
Agree. There are worse options than Robertson we could have been left with to replace him. I'm sure they're also doing their diligence on what arm's they can acquire
Or any Phillies, minus Schwarber...no Wheeler, Nola, etc
Riddle me that as Omar Little said.
I hate the WBC and the sooner the US loses (and PR), the better.
The Mets have/had five of their "starters" playing; Lindor, Alonso, McNeil, Escobar and Diaz.
How can one team have so much more exposure than their top rivals?
I paid good $ to see the Mets compete with the players they paid this off-season...and one, worth 100 million, can choose to play in some worthless tournament and expose himself to injury? I don't care what the players think about it. Do they love skydiving and skiing too? How bout an ATV while you're at it?
Sorry, one man's opinion, but Billy Eppler should be accountable for letting his stars play, when the other best teams in the division, for whatever reason, did not.
I'm pissed. Yes, there is a whole season to play, but the Met's chances for post season and beyond just took a big, and totally avoidable, hit.
Diaz was huge last year and it is a blow to the Mets. But, I think closer is an easier position to fill than if it was a front line starter.
I mean...I called it last night too ;)
Lol
Or any Phillies, minus Schwarber...no Wheeler, Nola, etc
What do you mean? Acuna is playing for Venezuela. Realmuto and Schwarber are on Team USA. Alcantara is playing for DR.
There's like three dozen all stars playing in this, lol. Trout and Ohtani are playing for USA and Japan, Altuve is playing for venezuela
This is true. I’m 2.5 months into my rehab after tearing my patella. It’s not easy. We are at a point where I’m still building up strength in and around the knee. I want to get out on the golf course this spring/summer. Until I can put weight on my left side without my knee feeling weak, I’m not there yet..
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No it wasn't on the field, looking at the video, about 10 guys jumped all over him...that's how he got hurt.
It still sucks for the team, as somebody mentioned up above,
Tex got hurt years ago for the Yanks...and missed most of the season if I recall. I am not a fan of the WBC, there is no good time to have the event, and if I was an owner or GM, would hardly be excited about it!
I'm a therapist. I frequently mention Into Thin Air when people start blaming benign or reasonable things to make themselves feel better. I do it too! A bunch of people climbed Mt. Everest. There were sherpas, guides, a socialite, crazy weather, it's the tallest mountain in the world, oxygen is limited, lots of egos, and it's cold as hell. There doesn't need to be anything to blame. When you climb the world's tallest mountain, sometimes people die. When you jump up and down, sometimes you get injured. There is nothing ridiculous about that celebration. I herniated a disc picking up the phone book when I was 23. We love to blame. Now all I have to tell my clients, when they get in that head space, is "when you climb mountains, sometimes people die". There are times where blame is absolutely warranted. But I'm not sure this is one of those times.
The gift of hindsight makes everyone wise.
You're a therapist, and you are going to use an analogy of climbing Mt. Everest to teammates jumping on a pitcher after a game, really?
Wow, hope you don't charge much per hour...
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