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We're doing better at TE/WR... What about the DL!!!

BillT : 3/16/2023 2:50 pm
We still only have Dex and Leo as legit starters. Nunez-Roches is a low volume backup NT. Davidson is coming off an ACL. Then its Butler and Anderson. We've done almost nothing.

I think a true rotational DL to share reps with Dex and Leo is critical. There isn't a peep about this anywhere and a bunch of the FA DLs have signed. Anyone have a clue about what they might do here.
Because  
darren in pdx : 3/16/2023 2:52 pm : link
resources are limited in the NFL and the Giants have a lot of holes to fill. Still only a few days into this and a draft with 10 picks available to happen as well as UDFA.
if only  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 2:53 pm : link
we had more Free agency and a draft to help out.
The sky is falling!  
Mike in NY : 3/16/2023 2:55 pm : link
We can't fill every need at the same time in under one week!
Who to sign?  
JonC : 3/16/2023 2:55 pm : link
We need the big dolers to keep our own, maybe the later UFA phases brings an affordable player. Otherwise, draft for the pipeline.
They just re-signed Ward who is a 3-4 DE  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2023 2:55 pm : link
He will play OLB or ER in nickel but his size and skill set is a 5T or 6T.

They will draft somebody probably.
RE: if only  
BillT : 3/16/2023 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16067085 Amtoft said:
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we had more Free agency and a draft to help out.

Well there really isn't that much left FA if your talking about guys good enough to be rotational DLs And you think the draft will get you a rookie DL good enough for that role. If only...
Nacho was signed to be a  
Dave on the UWS : 3/16/2023 2:56 pm : link
30% guy. How many snaps do you WANT him to take from Leo and Dex?
RE: Who to sign?  
BillT : 3/16/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16067094 JonC said:
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We need the big dolers to keep our own, maybe the later UFA phases brings an affordable player. Otherwise, draft for the pipeline.

So we're going into next year like we left last year with Dex and Leo and a prayer. There were guys in FA who could have filled that role. They weren't exorbitantly expensive.
RE: Nacho was signed to be a  
BillT : 3/16/2023 2:59 pm : link
In comment 16067097 Dave on the UWS said:
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30% guy. How many snaps do you WANT him to take from Leo and Dex?

I think that optimistic for him He's a backup NT with no rush skills. Hey, if that works for you.
Probably only going to keep 5 DLine anyway  
Simms11 : 3/16/2023 3:02 pm : link
So, with Dex, Leo, Davidson and Nacho, that's 4 already. Probably Williams on a 1 year deal or maybe they'll draft one on day 2 or 3. Not sure if Tomlinson signed with anyone, but he'd be good to bring back as well, on a one tear deal.
No worries... Jalen Carter gained 9 lbs... he will drop to 25  
KingBlue : 3/16/2023 3:03 pm : link
It's all good. ;)
RE: Probably only going to keep 5 DLine anyway  
BillT : 3/16/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16067110 Simms11 said:
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So, with Dex, Leo, Davidson and Nacho, that's 4 already. Probably Williams on a 1 year deal or maybe they'll draft one on day 2 or 3. Not sure if Tomlinson signed with anyone, but he'd be good to bring back as well, on a one tear deal.

Davidson is coming off an ACL and Tomlinson signed for 4/57.
RE: RE: Nacho was signed to be a  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16067105 BillT said:
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30% guy. How many snaps do you WANT him to take from Leo and Dex?


I think that optimistic for him He's a backup NT with no rush skills. Hey, if that works for you.


Nacho's here to give Dex a break without the run D suffering too much. He played about 40% of the snaps last year, but 30% is about right for us, which would reduce Dex's 82% to around 70%.

As for DE's, which to me is a big need, there are still several UFA'a available that I like, but if the Giants can't afford one, there's always the draft.
There might only be one DL spot left  
JonC : 3/16/2023 3:30 pm : link
if that, they got the guys they wanted. Unless they trim the number of LBs they keep, DL is now probably a draft spot.
RE: There might only be one DL spot left  
BillT : 3/16/2023 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16067150 JonC said:
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if that, they got the guys they wanted. Unless they trim the number of LBs they keep, DL is now probably a draft spot.

If you say so Jon. Just don't see Davidson (ACL), Anderson and Butler being a viable back end unless Davidson is near 100% and that's a big question. And one more is all I'm asking for. But it seems like it needs to be a guy a level better than Nunez-Roches who can spell Leo and play effectively in the 3 DL alignments. ?
I think a 3-4 DE  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/16/2023 3:56 pm : link
will be a high priority in the draft. I would not be surprised if they are also monitoring Calais Campbell and where he is at.
RE: RE: Who to sign?  
Milton : 3/16/2023 3:58 pm : link
In comment 16067103 BillT said:
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There were guys in FA who could have filled that role. They weren't exorbitantly expensive.
Yes they were. Did you see what Dalvin Tomlinson got paid?
Lines  
JonC : 3/16/2023 4:01 pm : link
correct.
The DE fro Iowa  
Dang Man : 3/16/2023 4:06 pm : link
Is it Van Ness? Would be a great fit. Don’t think he lasts though.
RE: I think a 3-4 DE  
Angel Eyes : 3/16/2023 4:07 pm : link
In comment 16067177 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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will be a high priority in the draft. I would not be surprised if they are also monitoring Calais Campbell and where he is at.

On the other hand what kind of DE are we looking for at that spot, JJ Watt or Curtis McGriff?
You  
Straw Hat : 3/16/2023 4:15 pm : link
Are underestimating the role nacho is gonna have. Theres not going to be an affordable DT just sitting around who is good at pass rushing and stopping the run.
Poona Ford!  
Anakim : 3/16/2023 4:15 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Who to sign?  
BillT : 3/16/2023 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16067178 Milton said:
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There were guys in FA who could have filled that role. They weren't exorbitantly expensive.

Yes they were. Did you see what Dalvin Tomlinson got paid?

He was near top of the market. Shy Tuttle got 3/19.5. Demarcus Walker got 3/21 . Those are the level of guys that could have worked.
OMG  
Wildcardgiants : 3/16/2023 4:22 pm : link
I just realized... we don't have a pro bowl player at every position yet. We're so screwed!!

Seriously, we're 3 days into free agency, then there are cuts being made for months, we have 10 draft picks... it's a process people.
RE: RE: I think a 3-4 DE  
BillT : 3/16/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16067189 Angel Eyes said:
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will be a high priority in the draft. I would not be surprised if they are also monitoring Calais Campbell and where he is at.


On the other hand what kind of DE are we looking for at that spot, JJ Watt or Curtis McGriff?

Like I mentioned above to Milton. Just competent guys who can fill the rotation. Getting a rookie to fill that spot is a long shot unless you're getting one in round 1 or round 2.
RE: You  
BillT : 3/16/2023 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16067201 Straw Hat said:
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Are underestimating the role nacho is gonna have. Theres not going to be an affordable DT just sitting around who is good at pass rushing and stopping the run.

He only fills the backup NT spot. Who spells Leo. Ryan Anderson?
Start looking at 5T's in the draft  
JonC : 3/16/2023 4:36 pm : link
Giants wanted Logan Hall a year ago, Colin's had some names this year I'd look at.
RE: RE: You  
Angel Eyes : 3/16/2023 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16067217 BillT said:
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Are underestimating the role nacho is gonna have. Theres not going to be an affordable DT just sitting around who is good at pass rushing and stopping the run.


He only fills the backup NT spot. Who spells Leo. Ryan Anderson?

I presume a draft pick who can play 3-tech and play outside. I've been stacking guys in the mock draft simulators, an edge who can play inside and a DT who can play 3-4 DE or even OLB.
Giants still have a big need at WR too  
JonC : 3/16/2023 4:37 pm : link
BIG.
RE: Giants still have a big need at WR too  
BillT : 3/16/2023 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16067234 JonC said:
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BIG.

You're preaching to the choir. But getting a decent rotational DL, even a stopgap, is pretty important as well. Not looking for a pro bowler. But, they can't go into the draft having to find that player either.
RE: No worries... Jalen Carter gained 9 lbs... he will drop to 25  
eli4life : 3/16/2023 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16067111 KingBlue said:
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It's all good. ;)


That would be amazing
How about this guy as a draft pick to backup Leo?  
Angel Eyes : 3/16/2023 5:20 pm : link

Karl Brooks. He's a big (6'3", 300 lbs) edge/defensive tackle who can rush the passer from inside and outside. Name came up as a snub for the Combine. Evaluations on him are all over the place; PFF has him in at 56 (2nd or 3rd round), PFN has him in the late rounds, SI has him as a 4th-rounder, TDN has him as a 5th-rounder, etc.
Bowling Green Defense vs. Toledo Offense (Brooks is No. 11) - ( New Window )
Angel Eyes  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/16/2023 5:32 pm : link
I think that size profile and what that player is being touted as doing is the type they will look to find. I also think early rounds are in play.

Wink gave up over 50 yards than any defense he had. His teams were typically in the low 80's to mid 90's yardage wise.

It was not just a ILB problem.
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