Slayton coming back

Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player

In comment 16067309 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 16067298 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: And if Waller gets shelved? Which he prob will….giants still need to make a move for a true #1 Jeudy, aiyuk, Higgins, Hopkins

Hopkins is the only true #1 of those 4, and I actually love Jeudy and Higgins as players, loved them in college as well. Higgins has been playing the role of Alvin Harper opposite Chase. I wouldn’t classify him as a true 1 as he has not had to operate as one yet. Same with Jeudy. They’d still be the best wide receivers on the Giants roster if we were to acquire them for sure…but it would not be like Philly nabbing AJ Brown who I would take over either in a heartbeat.

Would still rather invest through the draft.

In comment 16067333 Eric on Li said:

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Quote: Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo The #Giants’ deal with Darius Slayton: Two years, $12 million base value with a max value of $16.5 million, source says

I gotta admit, this one has me scratching my head.

Right now:

WR1 - Hodgy
WR2 - Slayton
WR3 - Parris
WR4 - Shep
WR5 - Wandale
WR6 - Collin Johnson
WR7 - Jeff Smith
WR 8- Washington

Each one of those guys is one rung too high on the totem pole. If you got a true WR1 the picture would NOW be complete.

I get Waller is almost like having a borderline WR1 but there is a lot of injury risk in the line-up too.

However you could make the argument if we go WR/CB round 1 which ever is the better graded guy in round 1, you have a chance to end up with:

Rd 1: JSN, Addison, Johnston, Flowers
Rd 2: TYLER SCOTT, Josh Downs, Cedric Tillman, Jayden Reed, Michael Wilson

In comment 16067319 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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I sure hope this does not signal we are done at wr b4 the draft. We need a veteran #1. Wished we moved on from Slayton. So now our wr crew consists of Campbell, Hodgins, Shep, Smith and Slayton? That's only marginally better than last year. And stop with Waller. He is a TE. Is he a talented TE? Yes, but he is not a Wr. We improved at TE but only marginal improvement at Wr. Disappointing so far.

I get the frustration, who would you like to see us go out and get? There are no topend FAs and the guys being shopped are either old or their team is asking for a #1.

In comment 16067337 ajr2456 said:

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Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player

anyone who thought he was getting the minimum has no concept of free agency and the wr position. they literally gave him almost exactly what every projection said he was getting.

In comment 16067337 ajr2456 said:

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Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player

BBI Meltdown in 3…2…1…

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As a #4 WR on a cheap contract. You just don't want him to be your #1WR. Welcome back. He's a really good team guy, too.

contract.

Hope he has a breakout year.

In comment 16067336 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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12 million. 16.5M max

NFW...if Schoen did that, I am flabbergasted..

Infuriating watching him drop critical balls and disappearing for stretches of games.

In comment 16067349 No1MDGiantsFan said:

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In comment 16067337 ajr2456 said: Quote: Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player BBI Meltdown in 3…2…1…

the meltdown is going to be if love signs for a comparable amount elsewhere, and i dont think that will necessarily be wrong if it happens. id bring back love all day before slayton.

Not sure he's worth 6 mil a year, I figured we were getting him for 3 or 4 per... I am interested to see what Odell gets.

In comment 16067336 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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12 million. 16.5M max

Hope he improves his drops.

In comment 16067352 Eric from BBI said:

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contract. Hope he has a breakout year.

Probably not, but apparently the Falcons were bidders:

https://www.sportstalkatl.com/falcons-reportedly-have-contract-offer-pending-for-free-agent-wr-darius-slayton/

In comment 16067355 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16067349 No1MDGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 16067337 ajr2456 said: Quote: Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player BBI Meltdown in 3…2…1… the meltdown is going to be if love signs for a comparable amount elsewhere, and i dont think that will necessarily be wrong if it happens. id bring back love all day before slayton.

100%

He's had better production than many of the names thrown around here. The drops aren't great, but looking at drop rates for other guys on the market like Chark tell a different story.

It's a tough pill to swallow, but Slayton is actually one of the better FAs at the position this offseason. Now, that's of course more of an indictment on the FA crop, but the point remains - they need bodies, and most of the options were a downgrade from Slayton.

It's a good move.

Much more than I expected
That’s the Kenny Goldiday version of a contact for a guy you know is a #4 WR

In comment 16067362 bLiTz 2k said:

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He's had better production than many of the names thrown around here. The drops aren't great, but looking at drop rates for other guys on the market like Chark tell a different story. It's a tough pill to swallow, but Slayton is actually one of the better FAs at the position this offseason. Now, that's of course more of an indictment on the FA crop, but the point remains - they need bodies, and most of the options were a downgrade from Slayton. It's a good move.

Galloway had one touchdown last year. Slayton had two, and none after Week 10.

In comment 16067352 Eric from BBI said:

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contract. Hope he has a breakout year.

agree but here's 2 minor glimmers of hope,

1- his rookie year he caught the ball. it's an outlier of his entire career even back to college, but he did it. so maybe he can do it again.

2- his run after catch improved a lot last year in this offense. that wasn't something he did particularly well even in 2019, when he was more of an over the top deep threat.

but like i said i generally agree, i think they paid an uncomfortable amount for a frustratingly flawed player.

In comment 16067337 ajr2456 said:

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Max value of $16.5 m. Right what I said he’d get when everyone called him a minimum player

Awful deal and I don't get it. I really don't get it. He's what? At BEST a #3/#4 WR?

About the quality of our WRs that a “bounce-back season” is 2.5 catches and 40 yards per game.

In comment 16067366 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16067362 bLiTz 2k said: Quote: He's had better production than many of the names thrown around here. The drops aren't great, but looking at drop rates for other guys on the market like Chark tell a different story. It's a tough pill to swallow, but Slayton is actually one of the better FAs at the position this offseason. Now, that's of course more of an indictment on the FA crop, but the point remains - they need bodies, and most of the options were a downgrade from Slayton. It's a good move. Galloway had one touchdown last year. Slayton had two, and none after Week 10.

and 1 of his 2 tds may have actually been a drop that just wasnt conclusive enough to over turn (against jax).

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In comment 16067365 gersh said:

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Much more than I expected That’s the Kenny Goldiday version of a contact for a guy you know is a #4 WR

Overreaction much? Slayton is on pace to have a better career than KG and he came much cheaper.

Chark. It’s not a bad contract when you look at other comps. I think this rules out a trade at this point. Likely receiver room:

Hodgins
Slayton
Campbell
Robinson
Johnson
Shepard
High draft pick (likely round one or two)

We could be looking at a $2M bonus and salaries of $1M and $9M in years one and two respectively (making his salary cap hit only $2M this year).

A little
He is not a starting caliber NFL receiver
I’m waiting/hoping for low guaranteed $

a year for Slayton? That's idiotic if true.

Are going to be real butt-hurt when the don't.

The WRs that will be available at 25 are smaller, slot guys. That's not the KIND of WR they really need (and Schoen even said something to that effect in the last video). That's WHY they're addressing WR in FA.

They are more likely to take a less polished, bigger guy later -- one that could grow into a #1.

and Slayton gets double. This is dumb loyalty.

For a starting outside WR. Expectations of the market were too low. Mecole should come in around the same or higher. Chark should come in higher. Theilen will come in higher. That is the cost of a low end "starter".

Jones apparently pushed for Slayton to get back into mix/more playing time this year.

Would not be surprised if he really pushed his opinion a bit with Daboll and Schoen too.

That said, I'm not in love with the WR room. I still think they add a WR in draft.

Darius Slayton's deal is worth $12 million, with a max value of $16.5M, per @MikeGarafolo, but I'd bet the actual numbers come in something much less than

That he’s a starter
Obviously the Giants are - and know much more than I do
I’m still hopeful the contact cannot be as dumb as it seems

Slayton? You have to be either drunk or high. On what planet?

Where is this money coming from???
Have they restructured Williams and Jackson but not announced the deals.
I would have hoped they would address the IOL but maybe in the draft.

In comment 16067381 David B. said:

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Are going to be real butt-hurt when the don't. The WRs that will be available at 25 are smaller, slot guys. That's not the KIND of WR they really need (and Schoen even said something to that effect in the last video). That's WHY they're addressing WR in FA. They are more likely to take a less polished, bigger guy later -- one that could grow into a #1.

There is a terrific chance they still take a WR in the first, and almost guaranteed one in first three rounds. The WR room is all short term. Shepard really should be retired now, but he'll be gone in a year. Campbell is a one year lottery ticket, and Jeff Smith is a last spot/STer type at this point.

We don't know how Wandale will come back until later next year, and Hodgins needs to prove he is for real over a full season, not just a few games.

In comment 16067344 CornerStone246+17 said:

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Right now: WR1 - Hodgy WR2 - Slayton WR3 - Parris WR4 - Shep WR5 - Wandale WR6 - Collin Johnson WR7 - Jeff Smith WR 8- Washington

I don’t think that will be the batting order if all those guys are completely healthy. That’s a huge if though, so it will be interesting to see how it plays itself out…still think they will use a premium pick on a WR in the draft, either a 1st or. 2nd. I have no idea what Sheo/Wandale will bring coming off the injuries which clouds things.

good news is the WR position looks a bit more stable than it did 24 hours ago.

What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.

And the gurantees before judging the contract.

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In comment 16067384 AcesUp said:

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For a starting outside WR. Expectations of the market were too low. Mecole should come in around the same or higher. Chark should come in higher. Theilen will come in higher. That is the cost of a low end "starter".

But would he have been starting on any other team in the NFL but the Giants?

Anyone who thought last year’s playoff run and playoff win were fun should recognize Slayton was a big part of it. He stepped up big in the Green Bay game after Wandale and Shep got hurt and before Hodgins got here. Then later on, along with Hodgins he was a big factor down the stretch.

He’s not a 1 or 2 but I think he’s a decent 3 or 4 WR, hard worker, and a guy who didn’t quit after he was basically told he was on borrowed time on the roster last season.

Slayton earned this and I’m glad to see him remain on the team.

Plus I think Slayton is behind Hodgins, Campbell, healthy WanDale in the lineup.

we're going to have a really fast WR group.

In comment 16067381 David B. said:

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Are going to be real butt-hurt when the don't. The WRs that will be available at 25 are smaller, slot guys. That's not the KIND of WR they really need (and Schoen even said something to that effect in the last video). That's WHY they're addressing WR in FA. They are more likely to take a less polished, bigger guy later -- one that could grow into a #1.

If I had to guess now, I would say that they go with a WR with a high selection in the next two drafts. You are right though, that the WR they take this year is unlikely to be that traditional bigger X. Doesn't mean a slot/Z type can't develop into a player defenses need to account for or that they won't draft one. I think a guy like Zay Flowers fits in very well with this group actually. I wouldn't prioritize a WR if they had a CB or Edge/DL ranked a lot higher but a traditional "#1 WR" doesn't need to be taken. These are all short term bandaids, there's still a whole unit to build out beyond this year.

In comment 16067282 Danny Kanell said:

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Not a fan of this at all.

Re-signed ≠ guaranteed a roster spot. They have Hodgins, Slayton, Campbell, Shep, maybe another signing, James and presumably 1-2 rookies plus all the other guys now on the depth chart (Sills, Johnson, etc.). Some of them won't make the team. That's a good thing. It'd be nice to be in a position where a competent but uninspiring player like Slayton is a camp cut.

They don't have their WR1/X guy yet but that may have to come through the draft.

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