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The #Giants have agreed to terms to re-sign WR Darius Slayton, sources tell me and
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. The 2019 fifth-round pick returns to East Rutherford after a bounce-back season (46 catches for 724 yards).
The Darius Slayton vs. Darius Slay matchup stays in the NFC East after all.
DHop is expensive contract, expensive to acquire, and been injured. Jeudy is good with potential, but will cost a lot to acquire and salary hikes in a year, and isnt a #1 (yet?)
Instead, for the cost of a very late #3 pick and $20m in cap (which is low end 1, high end #2 WR now) they instead added a ton of speed, and a LOT of depth at a position that and ZZERO depth.
Alternative was to acquire a 1, lose a high pick, spend a lot of cap on one guy who would get double teamed all year with no one to help him.
3rd and 4 - how do you defend this D?
1) DHop and no one - triple team DHop, spy on Jones - and get the punt return team ready.
2) Waller/Bellinger line up in two TE. With Slayton and Campbell wide, Barkley out of the backfield, and threat of Jones running. Thats a LOT for a defense to think about. No ONE guy is going to beat you, but you now have 6 options as an offense: pass to TE, pass to WR deep, Barkley underneath, or Jones running.
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For a starting outside WR. Expectations of the market were too low. Mecole should come in around the same or higher. Chark should come in higher. Theilen will come in higher. That is the cost of a low end "starter".
But would he have been starting on any other team in the NFL but the Giants?
A handful. Bears, Falcons, Texans off the top of my head. I did say low end. Your average starter is making almost 2x that, we saw Meyers, Lazard and Juju get 11m/yr.
Would not be surprised if he really pushed his opinion a bit with Daboll and Schoen too.
That said, I'm not in love with the WR room. I still think they add a WR in draft.
I think this was it. Slayton is a mediocre receiver but Jones has a big comfort level with him.
What a turnaround for Slayton though. The Giants were trying to trade him before the season last year but found no takers. He was buried on the depth chart and now he gets a 2 year deal.
The WRs that will be available at 25 are smaller, slot guys. That's not the KIND of WR they really need (and Schoen even said something to that effect in the last video). That's WHY they're addressing WR in FA.
They are more likely to take a less polished, bigger guy later -- one that could grow into a #1.
I don’t see it like that. I think they just want playmakers, regardless of the shape or size.Diggs is not a bigger WR, and he operated just fine as buffalos top target so if there were a guy in that mold you would pass on him as he wasn’t a bigger body? I wouldn’t.
How can both be true?
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He's had better production than many of the names thrown around here. The drops aren't great, but looking at drop rates for other guys on the market like Chark tell a different story.
It's a tough pill to swallow, but Slayton is actually one of the better FAs at the position this offseason. Now, that's of course more of an indictment on the FA crop, but the point remains - they need bodies, and most of the options were a downgrade from Slayton.
It's a good move.
Galloway had one touchdown last year. Slayton had two, and none after Week 10.
He's produced every year he's been here, with the exception of '21 when he was injured. He gets an inordinate amount of crap but he kept working and became a valuable piece of the offense. Coaches wanted him back, apparently.
But what do I know?
I'd like to know what your definition of "production" is?
We need another WR, but I'm still convinced we'll take the BPA at #25 even if that's not a WR.
Still also think that's a crazy contract for Slayton, and that he's making so much more than Campbell. Was Jones really pushing for the Giants to resign Slayton? Rodgers pushed for the Packers to trade for Cobb so I guess it's possible.
#1 still remains our biggest need, IMO.
I don't mind Slayton. I mind that contract.
But what do I know?
They are fairly similar. Campbell is 5-7 really just with protections for games missed given his injury history, assuming Slayton is 6-8 based on general details released. Slayton plays outside which has more value than a slot WR as well.
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
Not if you look at their career production or 2022 production. Campbell also had 5 drops.
If you're looking objectively, Slayton makes more sense than a guy like DJ Chark, who has been a dud for the last three years.
Parris Campbell Combine 40 4.31
Jeff Smith Pro Day 40 4.36
Schoen has talked about the need for wide receiver separation in every recent interview.
How can both be true?
Parris Campbell Combine 40 4.31
Jeff Smith Pro Day 40 4.36
Schoen has talked about the need for wide receiver separation in every recent interview.
Which is great, but it isn't a track meet. They need to be able to catch the ball. All three have drop problems (Campbell to a lesser degree, but still had 5 drops last season).
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
I find the Slayton contract a bit higher than I imagined, but he's been more available and more productive than PC.
Thus, Slayton should be compensated more - IMV.
Shepard is another guy who doesn't score.
Darius Slayton was handed the starting job last year and he scored twice. He disappeared against teams like the Eagles and Cowboys, which is kind of a big deal.
The contract does not matter as I doubt there's going to be a ton of guaranteed money and it's like the 40th largest AAV for a WR.
Slayton, Hodgins, Campbell, Robinson, Shepard, Smith. There's way more talent in that group than what the team had last year. Slayton, Campbell, and Smith mean we have 3 guys with 4.3 speed vs only Slayton. Daboll and Kafka have more speed to work into this offense. Keep adding talent in the draft.
I'd be cool with that
We will see what the actual contract is
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good news is the WR position looks a bit more stable than it did 24 hours ago.
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
I find the Slayton contract a bit higher than I imagined, but he's been more available and more productive than PC.
Thus, Slayton should be compensated more - IMV.
It will be interesting to see the final numbers after the 2023 season as to who has the more productive season. My money is on Campbell, by a lot.
We need another WR, but I'm still convinced we'll take the BPA at #25 even if that's not a WR.
Still also think that's a crazy contract for Slayton, and that he's making so much more than Campbell. Was Jones really pushing for the Giants to resign Slayton? Rodgers pushed for the Packers to trade for Cobb so I guess it's possible.
Slayton is a more valuable player than Campbell. He’s been the Giants leading receiver 3 out of 4 years. Campbell had missed more games than he’s played 3 of the last 4 years.
Slayton has proven he can play outside at a competent level. Campbell has not. Outside receivers are valued more than slots. That’s why outside receivers usually get selected before slot guys in the draft. They are harder to find.
I really don’t understand the hate for Slayton around here. He was the only player on the offense last year who could generate passing plays of 20+ yards.
I’m glad to have him back.
Also WDR will play next year. He may even avoid pup. Haven’t heard anything that makes me think he’ll be out all year.
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good news is the WR position looks a bit more stable than it did 24 hours ago.
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
I find the Slayton contract a bit higher than I imagined, but he's been more available and more productive than PC.
Thus, Slayton should be compensated more - IMV.
It will be interesting to see the final numbers after the 2023 season as to who has the more productive season. My money is on Campbell, by a lot.
If Campbell can remain healthy!
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
I think a lot of this is a misunderstanding of the Campbell deal. If he is healthy the entire season it's a 1yr 4.7m deal. He doesn't even need to catch a ball, just needs to be healthy. There are additional performance based incentives to get that close to 7m. Not sure how attainable they are.
But Campbell isn't really 1yr 3M. If he is then the Giants never saw him play a snap.
Shepard is another guy who doesn't score.
Darius Slayton was handed the starting job last year and he scored twice. He disappeared against teams like the Eagles and Cowboys, which is kind of a big deal.
I get that he is far from perfect, but he fills a role that no other receiver on our team currently has shown they can fill. We need someone other than Waller that can beat people vertically and hopefully Waller is that 1A guy that gets the scores consistently. The other names somewhat connected to us (Theilen, Chark, Hardman) haven't shown that ability recently or ever.
Campbell...solidly built, blazing speed, good catch % in theory can play the outside, but for whatever reason has not been a consistent chunk play guy dating back to college. I like his upside with Daboll.
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
I find the Slayton contract a bit higher than I imagined, but he's been more available and more productive than PC.
Thus, Slayton should be compensated more - IMV.
It will be interesting to see the final numbers after the 2023 season as to who has the more productive season. My money is on Campbell, by a lot.
Fine with me. From your keyboard to God's ears.
Campbell has been a major disappointment so far as a second-round pick. Hopefully, the change of scenery helps.
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
agreed
he was just better than a practice squad guy or a street FA
but he is a #4 type WR, maybe a 3 if you have two good ones ahead of himn
Parris C may be a bit better
so basically we have gone froma few 4th stringers to a more professional wr room with a bunch of wr3/4
wandale could be a 2/3 same with hodgins
its a better room but still need some pedigree wouls assume a WR in first two rds
Well played, Giants FO.
I may have prefered James back over either of them.
Maybe this was a Jones ask sonce the 2 have had a connection back to their rookie year.
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Slayton was victimized by the Quarte...uh...forget it. ;)
Look, the passing game was not going to be prolific by design. We were a running team led by SB and Jones. The passing game was "as needed".
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Slayton was victimized by the Quarte...uh...forget it. ;)
Look, the passing game was not going to be prolific by design. We were a running team led by SB and Jones. The passing game was "as needed".
You make ridiculous/personal bias statements sometimes. Clearly, Daboll in the last few games opened up the passing game as best he could with limited WRs. Look at Barkley's carries.
Every significant offensive move this offseason has been to strengthen the passing game.
2. they spent about 11m cumulatively on 2 guys who arent 'reliable'. maybe having 2 guys is better than one, and maybe one or both are about to take a leap, but 1 of them hasnt stayed healthy and the other cant catch.
i think campbell is a pretty reasonable upgrade on richie james with upside but im a little surprised they didn't just sign 1 better player, specifically hardman but perhaps even jakobi meyers. this was a crappy year for FA WRs but paying a lot more to just set a similar floor to last year is a little disappointing even though Waller obviously raises the ceiling of the offense overall. hopefully he's a force multiplier and slayton can get back to winning over the top in single coverage again like his rookie year.