Mike Garafolo
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The #Giants have agreed to terms to re-sign WR Darius Slayton, sources tell me and
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. The 2019 fifth-round pick returns to East Rutherford after a bounce-back season (46 catches for 724 yards).
The Darius Slayton vs. Darius Slay matchup stays in the NFC East after all.
Agree. They would be stupid to do that now. You have to go Oline or CB.
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Slayton was victimized by the Quarte...uh...forget it. ;)
Look, the passing game was not going to be prolific by design. We were a running team led by SB and Jones. The passing game was "as needed".
yes, but the passing game can be improved with better players
Sure they’re not.
If you look at advanced stats only 53 of those 71 targets were deemed catchable targets as well so he basically hauled in 87% of catchable balls. Its not like this guy doesn't have any talent and I like him more than the other receivers that were still available.
Lazard = 788 (15 starts)
Slayton = 724 (11 starts)
Meyers = 804 (13 starts)
Boyd = 762 (14 starts)
Thielen = 716 Yards (17 starts)
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Slayton was victimized by the Quarte...uh...forget it. ;)
Look, the passing game was not going to be prolific by design. We were a running team led by SB and Jones. The passing game was "as needed".
yes, but the passing game can be improved with better players
I was writing about last year's approach to the passing game. Not what we might look like going forward...
The WRs that will be available at 25 are smaller, slot guys. That's not the KIND of WR they really need (and Schoen even said something to that effect in the last video). That's WHY they're addressing WR in FA.
They are more likely to take a less polished, bigger guy later -- one that could grow into a #1.
I love when people talk in absolutes about the draft and who the Giants will or won’t take like they work in the FO.
You LITERALLY, have no clue who they’ll take. Just stop.
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I also think there's a good chance they bring back James to compete with Campbell.
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
What's the alternative? You want to trade a 1st for Jeudy or anything for an old Hopkins? They didn't make the menu of available players. They're picking from it.
Hope he has a breakout year.
I agree. This seems like an awful lot. I like Slayton. Seems like a good kid but I feel about him the Same I did about engram. Although he will make some nice plays he’s also going to kill you at times
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Agree. They would be stupid to do that now. You have to go Oline or CB.
Why? Because the WR crops is now complete after these FA signings? That’s ridiculous. None of the guys in the roster are a #1 receiver. WR is still a huge need.
If he is anything more than a 5th or 6th WR we are in trouble.
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I also think there's a good chance they bring back James to compete with Campbell.
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
What's the alternative? You want to trade a 1st for Jeudy or anything for an old Hopkins? They didn't make the menu of available players. They're picking from it.
Pying Slayton 6M per isn't the answer. Focus on the Draft. It's a good draft for WRs as far as depth goes. That's where you find your depth.
i think there's almost no chance of that unless james has no market whatsoever. he is probably going to get a similar contract to campbell someplace else, and want a reasonably clear path to playing time so he can hit whatever incentives he gets (as im sure campbell wanted as well).
hodgins, slayton, campbell are going to be 3 on the final 53 and it's enormously likely a 4th spot is filled by at least 1 rookie and probably 2. shepard and robinson likely on PUP. sills, johnson, smith, pimpleton, etc all competing for PS spots and maybe 1 active roster spot for a ST'er.
We don't have one.
Hope he has a breakout year.
Relax. What are the guarantee's?
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In comment 16067457 Eric from BBI said:
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Slayton was victimized by the Quarte...uh...forget it. ;)
Look, the passing game was not going to be prolific by design. We were a running team led by SB and Jones. The passing game was "as needed".
yes, but the passing game can be improved with better players
I was writing about last year's approach to the passing game. Not what we might look like going forward...
I know, but the objective should have been to improve the worst wr group in the NFL. Do you agree?
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I also think there's a good chance they bring back James to compete with Campbell.
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
Sure but prior to FA, every guy under contract is coming off of an injury.
Shep
Wandale
Johnson
..they NEED bodies. They went the route of multiple mid tier guys vs 1 higher cost player and a bunch of literal nobodies. What's better?
We should al have 5th and 6th rounders stay around this long
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I also think there's a good chance they bring back James to compete with Campbell.
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
What's the alternative? You want to trade a 1st for Jeudy or anything for an old Hopkins? They didn't make the menu of available players. They're picking from it.
Pying Slayton 6M per isn't the answer. Focus on the Draft. It's a good draft for WRs as far as depth goes. That's where you find your depth.
So do we trust the front office and the coach or not?
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Not sure what there is to be floored about? You can recognize that a guy has some value while understanding that he’s not a great player. Look at the totality of his time here and his production compared to where he was drafted.
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I also think there's a good chance they bring back James to compete with Campbell.
I don't like this quantity over quality approach
What's the alternative? You want to trade a 1st for Jeudy or anything for an old Hopkins? They didn't make the menu of available players. They're picking from it.
Pying Slayton 6M per isn't the answer. Focus on the Draft. It's a good draft for WRs as far as depth goes. That's where you find your depth.
It's basically a 1-year deal with all the guaranteed money in 2023. This deal doesn't change their draft plans. Every receiver they signed is basically not committed to after this season besides Wandale
Cap.
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
Not sure what there is to be floored about? You can recognize that a guy has some value while understanding that he’s not a great player. Look at the totality of his time here and his production compared to where he was drafted.
He was just paid 6M a year.
What's bizarre is Slayton getting paid better than Parris Campbell.
One thing we know for sure: had they given Campbell the contract they gave Slayton, they would be overpaying. Since he signed one for less.
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
I’m equally as floored with people outright claiming that WR is not a need in round 1 since they’ve made these signings.
-a sizeable contingent of posters
[Slayton tests market. Presumably not great. Re-signs with the Giants, likely as a 4th receiver]
"This move sucks"
-same contingent
They want to be a run first team. That means you can find a way to run for sufficient yardage against most opponents. They're not there yet. If they can do that, play action opens up and all receivers look better. And he knows the system.
Not sure what some posters expect. Front office is being smart and methodical.
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They want to be a run first team. That means you can find a way to run for sufficient yardage against most opponents. They're not there yet. If they can do that, play action opens up and all receivers look better. And he knows the system.
Not sure what some posters expect. Front office is being smart and methodical. link - ( New Window )
Do they want to be a run first team? Or were they simply forced to operate that way last season?
If we lose that WC game vs. the Vikes, is Darius back after that killer drop? I'd love to know that in an alternate universe. I'm glad it didn't cost us the game, but it sure AF could have.
yep probably get a #2 type, which might be the best guy in the room
also have to factor in waller getting alot of targets and being split
all in all, better targets for DJ
still need to improve but more talent at least (especially if we draft a good target)
2024 we go for the stud
I know, but the objective should have been to improve the worst wr group in the NFL. Do you agree?
It's a poor FA pool of WRs. The only way to get significantly better was trade and/or draft.
We obtained Waller by trade, and he is a great player who needs to stay healthy. Which has been challenging lately. So, we'll see there.
It's a decent draft for WRs. I'm not sure if there is a clear cut WR1 - TBD - but there are probably 10-12 who can legitimately be called good WR2 prospects. And we should have a few cracks at adding one or two.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
Had a great rookie year considering.
He can get open but needs to RUN the routes correctly and stop peeking down the field before locking in the ball. Some of this stuff can be fixed
Raw talent and speed cannot.
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I know, but the objective should have been to improve the worst wr group in the NFL. Do you agree?
It's a poor FA pool of WRs. The only way to get significantly better was trade and/or draft.
We obtained Waller by trade, and he is a great player who needs to stay healthy. Which has been challenging lately. So, we'll see there.
It's a decent draft for WRs. I'm not sure if there is a clear cut WR1 - TBD - but there are probably 10-12 who can legitimately be called good WR2 prospects. And we should have a few cracks at adding one or two.
That's my issue- I think by resigning a WR4/5 at WR2 value, we remove the possibility of taking a chance on say AT Perry at the very least. It's possible we just removed Jordan Addison.
That’s the logic that’s been thrown around here.
Lazard got 11 million a year. The Giants weren’t trading a 1st or 2nd for a receiver that is either on a big contract or is going to need one soon. Jeudy has drops issues too. This contract is right inline with Slaytons value, and if he was on a team other than the Giants this year I think a lot of people who dislike this move would be asking about bringing him in.
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.