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Slayton coming back

Fan_in_Philly2 : 3/16/2023 4:49 pm
Mike Garafolo
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The #Giants have agreed to terms to re-sign WR Darius Slayton, sources tell me and
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. The 2019 fifth-round pick returns to East Rutherford after a bounce-back season (46 catches for 724 yards).

The Darius Slayton vs. Darius Slay matchup stays in the NFC East after all.
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Define WR2 value.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2023 6:55 pm : link
A 12m contract puts him in the Braxton Berrios/K'neal Harry tier, or 58th highest contract among WRs in the NFL.

If his annual is 6 million a year he's making less money than players on rookie deals
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2023 6:57 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.


This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 6:59 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.



This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.


What do you think of Slayton as a WR? I'm curious.
RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16067567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.


You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Resigning Slayton and adding Campbell will help to improve the bottom  
Ira : 3/16/2023 7:02 pm : link
of our wr room. We can improve the top in the draft. The pickings in free agency at wr are slim.
Huh?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/16/2023 7:05 pm : link
First of all Campbell is now your #1. He is far from "the bottom". Slayton is near the bottom.
RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 7:06 pm : link
In comment 16067594 Amtoft said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!


Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
slayton's $ is almost exactly fmv as projected but that oversimplifies  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 7:08 pm : link
the discussion. there's hyperbole on both sides of this argument but what else is new i guess.

for similar reasons to players we've seen in the past make such glaring mistakes (engram, randle, donnell) i wouldn't have brought slayton back unless the contract was more slanted towards the team in value. those plays are backbreakers and they seem to happen at the most pressure filled moments (red zone, 2 min drill, etc).

id imagine it was some of those same reasons why schoen and daboll were going to cut slayton at 2.5m last year if he didnt take a paycut below that.

i think there were other players available in FA who would have been better adds but i hope their faith in slayton rewards them. he seems like a good guy and a total non-diva also so he's a pretty easy guy to root for, and it will be easier if he stops dropping 1 ball for every 5 he catches.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2023 7:08 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.



This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.



What do you think of Slayton as a WR? I'm curious.


As Ive said in other threads, he's a #3 WR with the speed to back off a defense.

Guys with his speed, his ability to stay healthy, and frankly his production, make decent money in this league.

Giants fans crush him for the drops and as a result downplay his skillset, but he's a solid football player for a 5th round pick. If they did more winning during Slayton's time here he would be looked at as a find rather than a disposable part.
RE: Huh?  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2023 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16067605 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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First of all Campbell is now your #1. He is far from "the bottom". Slayton is near the bottom.


I think you are both saying the same thing. These guys provide a solid floor but no major ceiling until we add a legit 1.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 7:09 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!



Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.


Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
Campbell is not the # 1  
bc4life : 3/16/2023 7:12 pm : link
# 1 isn't on the team yet.
NFL WR drop stats  
bc4life : 3/16/2023 7:14 pm : link
Slayton in pretty good company
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NFL WR drop stats  
bc4life : 3/16/2023 7:14 pm : link
Slayton in pretty good company
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 7:15 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!



Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.



Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.


Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/16/2023 7:16 pm : link
I still suspect we're targeting a WR in the first.
not a great or bad signing  
bc4life : 3/16/2023 7:16 pm : link
good - reasonable signing
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Amtoft : 3/16/2023 7:17 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!



Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.



Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.



Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.


Oh big man... yes whatever you say... you know so much and make so much money... you are such a big man... I should totally stop talking. hahaha you can't make that post up.
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Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 7:21 pm : link
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.



So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.

Weird hill to fight for.



You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!



Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.



Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.



Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.



Oh big man... yes whatever you say... you know so much and make so much money... you are such a big man... I should totally stop talking. hahaha you can't make that post up.


This is pathetic lol get back to football talk
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Slayton is bad  
section125 : 3/16/2023 7:26 pm : link
In comment 16067616 Amtoft said:
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Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.


You are overrating him. He was not "very good" for the Giants. He was functional. I think saying he is a #3 or #4 is correct. He does stay healthy which is a plus. He does have speed, also a plus. His hands are marginal - a negative. But, he does match up well with Jones - they seem to read each other well.

See what Daboll and Kafka can do...
RE: NFL WR drop stats  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 7:29 pm : link
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Slayton in pretty good company Link - ( New Window )


having as many drops as players who get 2-3x as many targets isn't good.

the last 2 years slayton has been worst in the league in drop%.



league average is like 7% so slayton is dropping 2x league average.

alternatives like jakobi meyers were 1.5% & juju was 3.3%.

spending this much on UFAs wasn't something i expected so if there's something they may end up regretting i think it may be giving slayton + campbell roughly the same aav combined as they could have just given 1 of those guys. they are taking 2 fliers on upside guys instead of just adding 1 more proven above average starter.
RE: Meh!  
Carson53 : 3/16/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16067527 Dave in PA said:
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Slayton might be a great athlete and a good guy, but he either can’t or refuses to use his damn hands to catch the ball. You can never trust a guy like that. I’d have been fine moving on entirely
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Exactly my sentiments as well, anybody remember his gag job against the Vikes late in the game in the playoffs...
I thought so!
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 7:38 pm : link
Eric, I think you are overrating Parris Campbell a bit.

He didn’t have a single season with over 200 yards receiving until this past year.

Slayton might not be that good but he’s had way more of a productive career than Campbell. Why does Campbell deserve a higher contract than Slayton? That makes no sense whatsoever.
His drops improved this past year  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 7:41 pm : link
And the ADOTs of Juju and Meyers I’m guessing are a lot lower. Slayton needs to improve his drops but comparing his drop rate to Juju who catches most passes well within the sticks isn’t even close to apples to apples.

If Slayton were a 26 year old with sub 4.4 and a high ADOT and low drop rate he’d have gotten PAID. Also if you look at the high drop % players you see a theme on the type of WRs they are.
Literally  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 7:43 pm : link
The guy two notches below him is maybe the only cheaper option that could satisfy this specific WR need in UFA.
I mean  
Amtoft : 3/16/2023 7:43 pm : link
3 of 4 years he has had over 45 catches for over 700 yards. He takes the top of defenses and is going to make 3th or 4th string money. I hate the drops, but if our WRs go down Slayton is going to be a good player to have.
Amtoft  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 7:46 pm : link
Exactly, that’s why he’s back. It’s as much to do with how he opens up the offense when he’s not getting targeted. If it wasn’t him it would have been another burner that drops the ball like Chark or Agholar. They needed and wanted outside speed.
RE: His drops improved this past year  
Eric on Li : 3/16/2023 7:52 pm : link
In comment 16067673 AcesUp said:
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And the ADOTs of Juju and Meyers I’m guessing are a lot lower. Slayton needs to improve his drops but comparing his drop rate to Juju who catches most passes well within the sticks isn’t even close to apples to apples.

If Slayton were a 26 year old with sub 4.4 and a high ADOT and low drop rate he’d have gotten PAID. Also if you look at the high drop % players you see a theme on the type of WRs they are.


you are correct about adot/style - slayton selling point is that he's a more explosive downfield receiver (15 ypc).

slayton adot = 12.5
juju adot = 7.3
meyers = 9.9

but as u see meyers' adot wasn't too far behind, and neither was his ypc at 12.0. he had 14 plays 20+ and that was actually more than slayton's 12. and more tds.

that's all why meyers got basically 2x what slayton got. so im not splitting the atom pointing that out, just saying when factoring in cambell's 4-5m this year, i think id have preferred to take the better player. slayton is more of a downfield wide guy but he hasn't produced tds downfield as much as you'd expect since his rookie year. i think meyers is a pretty good bet to repeat what he's been the last couple years.
A bit of a heads scratched for me, but...  
Klaatu : 3/16/2023 7:53 pm : link
The devil you know, and all that.
RE: Slayton is bad  
clatterbuck : 3/16/2023 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.


Bad enough to lead the team in receptions and yards 3/4 years. Giants don't have winning record or win a playoff game without him.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 7:56 pm : link
The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.
Wow,  
Shady Lurker : 3/16/2023 7:57 pm : link
I can't believe we gave him that much. Not a fan of this move at all.
Wow Slayton getting hammered in this thread  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2023 7:58 pm : link
We have to keep in mind he was a 5th round pick. The last 5th round pick with this much production and playing time was David Diehl. I’m not saying he is a pro bowler but you have to think he proved something to the coaches or they wouldn’t have brought him back never mind paying him.

He was written off and took a pay cut. We needed him down the stretch in the play off run. Yes Hodgins got more action but that may also mean Slayton was the guy defenses were taking away.

I am shocked he is back but also happy.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 7:59 pm : link
Don’t love the Slayton contract. Think it’s kind of unnecessary. But if you’re excited about Campbell and hate the Slayton signing, you’re going to be disappointed with Campbell.
RE: this is a little rich for me but it is what it is  
JonC : 3/16/2023 8:01 pm : link
In comment 16067333 Eric on Li said:
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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
The #Giants’ deal with Darius Slayton: Two years, $12 million base value with a max value of $16.5 million, source says



Did not expect that, ouch.
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Banks : 3/16/2023 8:01 pm : link
Personally I'm pretty happy. I like Slayton even with the warts. I think Campbell is getting a bit too much love. I don't he's ever looked very good and his best game totaled 76 yards. We could use another wr and having one that knows the offense is a bonus. If only Slayton could get rid of the dropsies
RE: I'm absolutely floored  
djm : 3/16/2023 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16067457 Eric from BBI said:
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by posters who keep saying that Slayton was "productive."

He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.


That’s a 60+ catch pace. It actually is productive but not in a good or elite manner.
The contract is paying him 6 or so per. Not 16 per.

Also, probably good idea to wait for the details.

Seems like a harmless deal to me and I don’t love slayton by any means. I know one can do worse.

A guy catching 55-65 passes if he plays 16 games gets 6 per and we’re shocked??? Why???? Elite wrs get 20+ per.
I just argued for an hour with a friend via text  
djm : 3/16/2023 8:05 pm : link
I’m tired. I’ll leave this one to you folks. Just seems pretty harmless we’re talking an incentive laden two year deal worth relatively little in today’s market.

Also, if you think this move precludes the giants from signing some player they LOVE, think again. Try at least.
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 8:05 pm : link
Allen Lazard got 11 million a year. Is he that much better than Slayton?
RE: Slayton is a BBI whipping boy  
Chef : 3/16/2023 8:10 pm : link
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Anyone who thought last year’s playoff run and playoff win were fun should recognize Slayton was a big part of it. He stepped up big in the Green Bay game after Wandale and Shep got hurt and before Hodgins got here. Then later on, along with Hodgins he was a big factor down the stretch.

He’s not a 1 or 2 but I think he’s a decent 3 or 4 WR, hard worker, and a guy who didn’t quit after he was basically told he was on borrowed time on the roster last season.

Slayton earned this and I’m glad to see him remain on the team.


This right here x10
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christian : 3/16/2023 8:10 pm : link
That PFF ratio is subjectivity on top of subjectivity.

Both drops and catchable are subjective stats. Then layer on the low sample size, and in my line of work, we'd reject that as a viable data point.

I think the more valuable measurement is catch rate over his career.

On 300 career targets, it's pretty safe to say he is what he is. A guy who catches the ball about 55% of the time, which is not a great number.

But conversely, he averages 15 YPC, which makes up for it. And it puts him in the neighborhood of a player like Michael Gallup in the YPC x catch rate math.

For every 10 balls Slayton gets you 82.5 yards.

The bigger issue for Slayton is he's not the kind of guy who can create 10 opportunities a game for himself. And that's why he's getting paid 6M a year and Gallup gets 11.5M.
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middleground : 3/16/2023 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16067723 ryanmkeane said:
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Allen Lazard got 11 million a year. Is he that much better than Slayton?


No he's really not. This is hometown bias personified. He received what the market dictated.
We're not going to "fix" WR in 1 year  
BrianC : 3/16/2023 8:14 pm : link
Too many holes - not enough cap space. We're probably out of cap space to do anything more of significance in free agency. We're likely to go into the coming year without a true #1 WR and I don't expect us to focus on WR with our first round pick. But we're still in much better shape than last year and if we can fill holes in OL, LB and secondary in the draft then we can be a much better team than last year.
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Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16067698 ryanmkeane said:
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.


Do you watch other teams?
 
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 8:15 pm : link
I’d rather have Slayton at 6M then Lazard or Gallup at 11
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djm : 3/16/2023 8:15 pm : link
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Allen Lazard got 11 million a year. Is he that much better than Slayton?


Nope. And I don’t care what the stats say. Lazard is a jag.
DS  
mpinmaine : 3/16/2023 8:15 pm : link
made a lot of nice plays this passed year plus we do not know the contract. I am happy NYG kept him.
Some post as if this signing stops us from drafting a WR.

All the guys on the depth chart aren't going to make this team.
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ryanmkeane : 3/16/2023 8:16 pm : link
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.



Do you watch other teams?

Yes. What does that have to do with my statement?
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middleground : 3/16/2023 8:17 pm : link
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.



Do you watch other teams?


This is a funny response.
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Gmen88 : 3/16/2023 8:18 pm : link
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.



Do you watch other teams?


Yes. What does that have to do with my statement?


If you watched other teams you know slayton is a WR4. Pariss talent is far above his
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