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The #Giants have agreed to terms to re-sign WR Darius Slayton, sources tell me and
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. The 2019 fifth-round pick returns to East Rutherford after a bounce-back season (46 catches for 724 yards).
The Darius Slayton vs. Darius Slay matchup stays in the NFC East after all.
If his annual is 6 million a year he's making less money than players on rookie deals
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.
This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.
This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.
What do you think of Slayton as a WR? I'm curious.
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
for similar reasons to players we've seen in the past make such glaring mistakes (engram, randle, donnell) i wouldn't have brought slayton back unless the contract was more slanted towards the team in value. those plays are backbreakers and they seem to happen at the most pressure filled moments (red zone, 2 min drill, etc).
id imagine it was some of those same reasons why schoen and daboll were going to cut slayton at 2.5m last year if he didnt take a paycut below that.
i think there were other players available in FA who would have been better adds but i hope their faith in slayton rewards them. he seems like a good guy and a total non-diva also so he's a pretty easy guy to root for, and it will be easier if he stops dropping 1 ball for every 5 he catches.
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In comment 16067585 Gmen88 said:
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In comment 16067567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
This was a bad move. Their only one so far by my estimation- had to be Danny calling for it.
This line works when the GM is gettleman. It does not work when the coach and GM have taken a 4 win team to 9 wins and a playoff win. It's not credible.
What do you think of Slayton as a WR? I'm curious.
As Ive said in other threads, he's a #3 WR with the speed to back off a defense.
Guys with his speed, his ability to stay healthy, and frankly his production, make decent money in this league.
Giants fans crush him for the drops and as a result downplay his skillset, but he's a solid football player for a 5th round pick. If they did more winning during Slayton's time here he would be looked at as a find rather than a disposable part.
I think you are both saying the same thing. These guys provide a solid floor but no major ceiling until we add a legit 1.
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
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In comment 16067567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.
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In comment 16067594 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16067567 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.
Oh big man... yes whatever you say... you know so much and make so much money... you are such a big man... I should totally stop talking. hahaha you can't make that post up.
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In comment 16067530 Gmen88 said:
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anyone who thinks otherwise can turn in their evaluation card.
So Joe schoen and Brian Daboll then.
Weird hill to fight for.
You think Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll knows more than Gmen88! Come on Bro!
Well obviously, but being to close can lead to bad decisions in any industry. I loved the hires of both of them- this was a bad decision.
Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
Spoken as none of your business but knowing and paid as more than you. Slayton was the best of a bad situation- please stop talking.
Oh big man... yes whatever you say... you know so much and make so much money... you are such a big man... I should totally stop talking. hahaha you can't make that post up.
This is pathetic lol get back to football talk
Spoken as a scout? Or a GM... sorry what are your credentials? Exactly... You get an opinion it just probably isn't right. Slayton was very good for us and he does what most other WRs in our offense can't do... take the top off.
You are overrating him. He was not "very good" for the Giants. He was functional. I think saying he is a #3 or #4 is correct. He does stay healthy which is a plus. He does have speed, also a plus. His hands are marginal - a negative. But, he does match up well with Jones - they seem to read each other well.
See what Daboll and Kafka can do...
having as many drops as players who get 2-3x as many targets isn't good.
the last 2 years slayton has been worst in the league in drop%.
league average is like 7% so slayton is dropping 2x league average.
alternatives like jakobi meyers were 1.5% & juju was 3.3%.
spending this much on UFAs wasn't something i expected so if there's something they may end up regretting i think it may be giving slayton + campbell roughly the same aav combined as they could have just given 1 of those guys. they are taking 2 fliers on upside guys instead of just adding 1 more proven above average starter.
Exactly my sentiments as well, anybody remember his gag job against the Vikes late in the game in the playoffs...
I thought so!
He didn’t have a single season with over 200 yards receiving until this past year.
Slayton might not be that good but he’s had way more of a productive career than Campbell. Why does Campbell deserve a higher contract than Slayton? That makes no sense whatsoever.
If Slayton were a 26 year old with sub 4.4 and a high ADOT and low drop rate he’d have gotten PAID. Also if you look at the high drop % players you see a theme on the type of WRs they are.
If Slayton were a 26 year old with sub 4.4 and a high ADOT and low drop rate he’d have gotten PAID. Also if you look at the high drop % players you see a theme on the type of WRs they are.
you are correct about adot/style - slayton selling point is that he's a more explosive downfield receiver (15 ypc).
slayton adot = 12.5
juju adot = 7.3
meyers = 9.9
but as u see meyers' adot wasn't too far behind, and neither was his ypc at 12.0. he had 14 plays 20+ and that was actually more than slayton's 12. and more tds.
that's all why meyers got basically 2x what slayton got. so im not splitting the atom pointing that out, just saying when factoring in cambell's 4-5m this year, i think id have preferred to take the better player. slayton is more of a downfield wide guy but he hasn't produced tds downfield as much as you'd expect since his rookie year. i think meyers is a pretty good bet to repeat what he's been the last couple years.
Bad enough to lead the team in receptions and yards 3/4 years. Giants don't have winning record or win a playoff game without him.
He was written off and took a pay cut. We needed him down the stretch in the play off run. Yes Hodgins got more action but that may also mean Slayton was the guy defenses were taking away.
I am shocked he is back but also happy.
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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
The #Giants’ deal with Darius Slayton: Two years, $12 million base value with a max value of $16.5 million, source says
Did not expect that, ouch.
He only had 46 catches and two touchdowns. That's not productive for a guy who started 11 games.
That’s a 60+ catch pace. It actually is productive but not in a good or elite manner.
The contract is paying him 6 or so per. Not 16 per.
Also, probably good idea to wait for the details.
Seems like a harmless deal to me and I don’t love slayton by any means. I know one can do worse.
A guy catching 55-65 passes if he plays 16 games gets 6 per and we’re shocked??? Why???? Elite wrs get 20+ per.
Also, if you think this move precludes the giants from signing some player they LOVE, think again. Try at least.
He’s not a 1 or 2 but I think he’s a decent 3 or 4 WR, hard worker, and a guy who didn’t quit after he was basically told he was on borrowed time on the roster last season.
Slayton earned this and I’m glad to see him remain on the team.
This right here x10
Both drops and catchable are subjective stats. Then layer on the low sample size, and in my line of work, we'd reject that as a viable data point.
I think the more valuable measurement is catch rate over his career.
On 300 career targets, it's pretty safe to say he is what he is. A guy who catches the ball about 55% of the time, which is not a great number.
But conversely, he averages 15 YPC, which makes up for it. And it puts him in the neighborhood of a player like Michael Gallup in the YPC x catch rate math.
For every 10 balls Slayton gets you 82.5 yards.
The bigger issue for Slayton is he's not the kind of guy who can create 10 opportunities a game for himself. And that's why he's getting paid 6M a year and Gallup gets 11.5M.
No he's really not. This is hometown bias personified. He received what the market dictated.
Do you watch other teams?
Nope. And I don’t care what the stats say. Lazard is a jag.
Some post as if this signing stops us from drafting a WR.
All the guys on the depth chart aren't going to make this team.
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.
Do you watch other teams?
Yes. What does that have to do with my statement?
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.
Do you watch other teams?
This is a funny response.
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The fact that some of you are saying that Parris Campbell is better than Slayton defies any sort of logic.
Do you watch other teams?
Yes. What does that have to do with my statement?
If you watched other teams you know slayton is a WR4. Pariss talent is far above his