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Mike Lombardi rips Giants trading for Waller

JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 4:50 pm
On the latest GM Shuffle, Lombardi went off on the Giants trading for Waller. Basically stated that you can’t deny the kid’s talent, but he’s soon to be 31 years old and has only played in 17 games in 2 seasons. Lombardi states that the Raiders replaced Waller (a big slot receiver) with Jakoby Meyers (a slot receiver) for more health and production, for the same money ($11m). Lombardi also stated that Waller never bought in to McDaniel’s and was fined when he refused to rehab an injury.

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John formerly in CharlotteNC : 3/16/2023 4:51 pm : link
Who?
I'd like to propose a moratorium  
bigblue5611 : 3/16/2023 4:52 pm : link
on citing this assclown.
Haters going to Hate  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2023 4:52 pm : link
He can fuck off
Guess who else didn't get  
section125 : 3/16/2023 4:53 pm : link
a wedding invite!

Ef him.
Lombardi is a Pats shill.  
Section331 : 3/16/2023 4:53 pm : link
Sticking up for one of his own (McDaniels). Giants gave a day 3 pick for a guy who has the talent to be one of the best TE threats in the game. Sure!it’s a risk, but I would bet if Belichick did it, Lombardi would be praising him.
RE: I'd like to propose a moratorium  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/16/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16067251 bigblue5611 said:
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on citing this assclown.


+1
You can knock the  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/16/2023 4:56 pm : link
Trade due to health concerns but Lombardi seems to have a vendetta against the Giants. It’s all negative.
When did a 31 year old become a  
CromartiesKid21 : 3/16/2023 4:57 pm : link
"kid"
Tell me the Giants  
bceagle05 : 3/16/2023 4:58 pm : link
didn't consider you for a GM vacancy without telling me the Giants didn't consider you for a GM vacancy.
the sun rose today  
Essex : 3/16/2023 4:59 pm : link
... Mike Lombardi ripping the Giants
WGAF about Jacoby Meyers?!?!?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/16/2023 5:02 pm : link
Good to see that Lombardi is ignoring the fact that most of the team hates the head coach in Vegas.
How does he know Meyers wanted to come here.  
Blue21 : 3/16/2023 5:02 pm : link
Sometimes they get an offer and have choices.
Eff that  
GiantSteps : 3/16/2023 5:03 pm : link
Low risk high reward trade. I love it.
Cool  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2023 5:03 pm : link
anyone tell him it was for a 3rd? Also glad to see Wallers replacement has worked without even stepping onto the field for the raiders.
If Waller did actually refuse to rehad an injury  
Jim in Tampa : 3/16/2023 5:05 pm : link
That would be disconcerting (regardless of how Lombardi feels about the Giants).

I also suspected that the trade might have something to do with Waller and McDaniel not being on the same page. Waller is too talented to let go for a low 3 unless there are other issues.
Waller can be a top five player  
mattlawson : 3/16/2023 5:07 pm : link
The odds of our third round pick doing that or Jakobi Meyers doing that is so close to zero it’s not even worth debating. It’s a low risk high reward move.
Yeah it's a gamble given the  
thefan : 3/16/2023 5:09 pm : link
age and injuries, but its not exactly a huge gamble either. We have a proven TE behind him and as I understand, we are not locked into some insane contract.
The anti Giant bias is comical at this point  
Sean : 3/16/2023 5:10 pm : link
He was surprised the Giants gave up a third and said Ramsey going for a third and Ramsey is much better than Waller.

As an aside, Lombardi said the Giants thought they had Edwards before he signed with the Bears.
Lombardi also has 2 kids on McDaniels staff  
Sean : 3/16/2023 5:11 pm : link
So no surprise he’s defending the Raiders.
Hmm someone ask  
Dave on the UWS : 3/16/2023 5:12 pm : link
this douche nozzle if Meyers EVER pose 90 and 107 catch seasons and mad w a pro bowl? Cause we all know the answer. Could he get hurt again? Sure, but if he stays on the field, Waller is the VASTLY superior player. Lombardi is sick an embarrassment!
I'm just curious  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 5:13 pm : link
What Lombardi's plan for the Giants would have actually been. If it was a total teardown, would he have the stones to do it if he was the GM and his job security was on the line?
RE: Cool  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16067299 UConn4523 said:
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anyone tell him it was for a 3rd? Also glad to see Wallers replacement has worked without even stepping onto the field for the raiders.



Yes he mentioned the 3rd round pick. He said Jalen Ramsey went for a 3rd round pick as well, so those picks are valuable.
Jalen Ramsey  
AcesUp : 3/16/2023 5:16 pm : link
Chose his destination which knee capped the trade compensation for LA.
"Lombardi rips one in his couch"  
ghost718 : 3/16/2023 5:16 pm : link
would make a better podcast
He sure seems to be rooting against the laundry.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/16/2023 5:17 pm : link
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well he is consistant  
HomerJones45 : 3/16/2023 5:18 pm : link
anyway
Lombardi  
Cheech d : 3/16/2023 5:18 pm : link
I really have no interest is his opinions. He rips the Giants on most moves they make.
If we got Hopkins for a late 3rd he would have found fault with it.
Ass Clown
Yeah  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2023 5:22 pm : link
Lombardi is a complete troll.
I have no idea who that is  
JesseS : 3/16/2023 5:24 pm : link
and don't listen to sports radio, but it's not unreasonable to say the Giants traded for a guy who's missed major parts of the past 2 seasons and is 31... I guess the risk isn't high, which is nice, and Waller is clearly a weapon when he's healthy, but the age and injury history matter, as does the draft pick.
not Mike Lombardi  
pjcas18 : 3/16/2023 5:24 pm : link
RE: The anti Giant bias is comical at this point  
jhibb : 3/16/2023 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16067317 Sean said:
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He was surprised the Giants gave up a third and said Ramsey going for a third and Ramsey is much better than Waller.


Every day that goes by, he makes it more and more clear why he failed as a GM.
Simple arguments like this, ignoring the contexts of different situations, is what you'd expect of an uninformed football fan and not an actual GM.
Lol why do we even give that clown  
bLiTz 2k : 3/16/2023 5:27 pm : link
the attention?

He's got a 1 year deal around 10 mil and they can release him with zero downside..

Not even mentioning the fact that he's top 3 at his position IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. His 2 years where he dealth with (minor nagging) inuuries, including one where McDaniels completely used him wrong, he would have been a HUGE upgrade on this team.

Yea, bad move Giants 🤦
I can't listen to this guy anymore  
Sammo85 : 3/16/2023 5:33 pm : link
He really does have something "in" for the Giants somehow.
Steel cage match ...  
BronxBob : 3/16/2023 5:34 pm : link
between him and the writer from The Atlantic ?
RE: If Waller did actually refuse to rehad an injury  
Section331 : 3/16/2023 5:36 pm : link
In comment 16067304 Jim in Tampa said:
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That would be disconcerting (regardless of how Lombardi feels about the Giants).

I also suspected that the trade might have something to do with Waller and McDaniel not being on the same page. Waller is too talented to let go for a low 3 unless there are other issues.


Definitely would be concerning, but my guess is his source is McDaniels, who is a proven liar.
RE: I'd like to propose a moratorium  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 3/16/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16067251 bigblue5611 said:
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on citing this assclown.


Second this. If someone has a valid criticism that’s one thing but this is such a low risk high reward situation criticizing it is obviously rooted in something else
Even if true  
jeff57 : 3/16/2023 5:38 pm : link
I don’t see the downside. They effectively gave up a player who was not going to stay here for him
You guys need thicker skin  
cosmicj : 3/16/2023 5:38 pm : link
Of course, the move could backfire. It’s a calculated risk.
Fuck him  
paesan98 : 3/16/2023 5:53 pm : link
And the horse he rode in on
RE: You guys need thicker skin  
Sean : 3/16/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16067420 cosmicj said:
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Of course, the move could backfire. It’s a calculated risk.

What is the risk? Losing the 100th pick in the draft? No guaranteed money after 2023 as of now.
I wonder what thought process  
islander1 : 3/16/2023 5:59 pm : link
goes into a post like this.
This guy is totally lost. He is hurting his credibility.  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/16/2023 6:15 pm : link

Earlier in the week, he said the Giants always overvalue their own and pay too much for mediocrity.

Then the organization brings in talent from the outside and then he criticizes them anyway.

Now don't get me wrong, over the last 5 to 10 years, the organization deserves to be criticized, but he is contradicting himself.

I might be in the minority, but I do not love the Waller trade. For a rebuilding team, I would have liked the draft pick as opposed to the player, but I can certainly see the appeal of a talent like Waller. Can he stay healthy? Is he going to age? There are concerns, but the team took a risk for a small cost for both compensation and money. How can anyone criticize the deal before he has played a single snap?
RE: Lombardi also has 2 kids on McDaniels staff  
bceagle05 : 3/16/2023 6:16 pm : link
In comment 16067320 Sean said:
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So no surprise he’s defending the Raiders.

That certainly explains it.
Gonna be fun to revisit the Raiders in a year or two  
widmerseyebrow : 3/16/2023 6:18 pm : link
when the McDaniels circus tent goes up in flames.
Thank goodness  
David B. : 3/16/2023 6:31 pm : link
There's always SOMEONE on BBI who -- WITHOUT FAIL -- will let us all know what that disgruntled hack, Lombardi thinks about what the Giants fucked up.
Lombardi is a....  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/16/2023 6:34 pm : link
Dick with ears! FUGGUM!
The same Mike Lombardi  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2023 6:38 pm : link
who said that the Panthers were a much better team than the Giants last season despite the fact that the Giants beat them and had a much better record.

So the Giants made a mistake trading for Waller because he didn't fit into McDaniels' offense? How does that make any sense? Did he take any time researching the Giants to see who their OC is and where he came from?

Lombardi is a fucking joke. I didn't see what he said about the Panthers trading up to the #1 pick but I bet that he was the only one to praise the Panthers for giving up a massive haul for the #1 pick.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/16/2023 6:40 pm : link
Can we please stop posting what Lombardi thinks? It is clear AF he has something against the Giants. He also thinks he's the smartest man in the room.
I like to think I'm pretty objective  
j_rud : 3/16/2023 7:33 pm : link
and this guy clearly has something up his ass about this organization. He talks about them now the same way he did 3 ago.
I am shocked…  
Chris in Philly : 3/16/2023 7:48 pm : link
to hear that dope hated something we did. Maybe if that slob would clean up his act and work harder he could get a front office job he is so clearly jealous that he no longer has. One trick pony…
Lombardi plays favorites  
DieHard : 3/16/2023 8:10 pm : link
like a lot of people on BBI do. But a ton of posters on BBI are a lot more cogent in their thinking than he is. Giving a guy with his "credentials" a platform to present empty platitudes as if they're nuggets of wisdom makes as much sense as giving Matt Patricia a podcast to explain how to be a great head coach, but we live in a strange world.
So his entire argument  
djm : 3/16/2023 9:16 pm : link
Is built on:

A - giving Josh mcdaniels the benefit of the doubt and building a case against waller on this belief. Do we really think waller “quit” on the raiders? That’s a big indictment to make.

B - actually stating and believing that Waller plays the same position (slot wr) as Meyers. And implying that Meyers is the same matchup problem as Waller is.

That is some seriously presumptuous bullshit right there.
I posted this to start conversation on Waller  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/16/2023 10:03 pm : link
Like it or not, Lombardi has connections to the Raiders through his son who is the offensive cordinator there. Lombardi stated that Waller never bought in to McDaniel’s system, because McDaniel’s system (Patriots’ system) ask for different things from the TE than Gruden did. The biggest intel he brought up was that Waller was suppose to rehab his injured hamstrings on the Raiders bye week, and he refused and took 4 days worth of fines. I get the Waller has the right to spend his bye week off, but still it’s not a good look for his professionalism. I’ll post the link for those who want to hear (6-7 minutes)


GM Shuffle Podcast starts at 39:40 - ( New Window )
It's fair to question...  
bw in dc : 3/16/2023 10:12 pm : link
Waller's health and age.

But the Meyers reference is absurd. Waller and Meyers are not even close as players when both are healthy. Waller is clearly the better player.
RE: I posted this to start conversation on Waller  
TrueBlue56 : 3/16/2023 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16067888 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Like it or not, Lombardi has connections to the Raiders through his son who is the offensive cordinator there. Lombardi stated that Waller never bought in to McDaniel’s system, because McDaniel’s system (Patriots’ system) ask for different things from the TE than Gruden did. The biggest intel he brought up was that Waller was suppose to rehab his injured hamstrings on the Raiders bye week, and he refused and took 4 days worth of fines. I get the Waller has the right to spend his bye week off, but still it’s not a good look for his professionalism. I’ll post the link for those who want to hear (6-7 minutes)
GM Shuffle Podcast starts at 39:40 - ( New Window )


And therein lies the problem. You have a talented player that produced at a pro bowl level under gruden and instead of tailoring an offense that works with the talent of a player, they (the coaches) force their system and blame the player. McDaniel will be running back to Bill belichick with his tail between his legs real soon.

Waller came back and played the last 4 games of the season. Gruden didn't have any issues with Waller. As a matter of fact gruden nicknamed him the joker, because gruden could line him up anywhere on the offensive formation and Waller would make plays.

Lombardi is a blowhard.
Waller vs. Toney  
Reese's Pieces : 3/16/2023 11:21 pm : link
Fans here could not get rid of Toney fast enough due to his unending streak of injuries. But now they are thrilled about converting the Toney draft pick into a player who has missed 13 or 14 games over the last two seasons.

I think it was a sound deal. On average only about 3 third round draft picks make the pro bowl every season. (The number is about 13.5 for the first round.) I think the odds of Waller coming out of his injury funk are better than the chances of the Giants finding a player as good using that third round pick. Hamstring injuries don’t usually follow you around for the rest of your career.
RE: This guy is totally lost. He is hurting his credibility.  
knowledgetimmons : 3/16/2023 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16067500 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Earlier in the week, he said the Giants always overvalue their own and pay too much for mediocrity.

Then the organization brings in talent from the outside and then he criticizes them anyway.

Now don't get me wrong, over the last 5 to 10 years, the organization deserves to be criticized, but he is contradicting himself.

I might be in the minority, but I do not love the Waller trade. For a rebuilding team, I would have liked the draft pick as opposed to the player, but I can certainly see the appeal of a talent like Waller. Can he stay healthy? Is he going to age? There are concerns, but the team took a risk for a small cost for both compensation and money. How can anyone criticize the deal before he has played a single snap?


Nailed it. If he’s healthy, it was a success. If he’s hurt, there’s no great loss. In poker this is an easy call, not some hero BS.
Sounds like this Lombardi guy  
mfsd : 3/16/2023 11:31 pm : link
is mastering the Francesa-esque art of saying annoying shit to rile people up and draw attention.

He sounds like a clown, yet this is the 2nd time in a week a thread about something he said has drawn a ton of views and comments
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