I still can’t believe how much hype there was around OBJ signing with a team last year. Across the league GMs and owners were talking about him. Schoen, Daboll, Mara all played along. He even had dinner with the team. The internet was full of rumors of where he would land for the playoffs. And then nothing happened. Maybe he had a setback or miscalculated when he would be ready, but it was all a massive waste of everyone’s time.
There’s no way I’m falling for this nonsense again.
He aleeady said on twitter he was never asking for 20, but I definitely think he's asking in the 15 range. He will have to settle for what the market is willing to offer
He aleeady said on twitter he was never asking for 20, but I definitely think he's asking in the 15 range. He will have to settle for what the market is willing to offer
He’s older coming off second ACL. Meyers got 11 million per. Prime of his career. If Odell gets 15 he should thank his lucky
Stars. I think teams are probably thinking in the 10 range for him
Saquon to Odell " if your coming to New York take a bus".
if he can get a bidding war going. Or maybe he really does want to come home.
I'm probably one of the few who wanted OBJ back, but with the signing of Campbell and Slayton, that ship has probably sailed.
If they had signed OBJ it would have eliminated the need for a WR at 24 and opened the 1st and 2nd RD up to CB, OL or even ILB and DL. (Now it seems like we're locked into a combination of WR/CB at 1 and 2.)
You have to have missed a lot of games the last 2 years for the right to play next to Slayton & Hodgins. Maybe between all of them we can get 17 games.
I mean, we are returning everyone except James and Golladay was replaced with Campbell.
He is seeing a lot of players being signed and money is starting to dry up. We'll see what he gets, would not be shocked to see another 1 year deal (or a fake 2 year deal) for around 10-12M.
I still can’t believe how much hype there was around OBJ signing with a team last year. Across the league GMs and owners were talking about him. Schoen, Daboll, Mara all played along. He even had dinner with the team. The internet was full of rumors of where he would land for the playoffs. And then nothing happened. Maybe he had a setback or miscalculated when he would be ready, but it was all a massive waste of everyone’s time.
There’s no way I’m falling for this nonsense again.
He wasn'tt ready to play. Period. He decided to shut it down and rehab more when teams saw him. It happens...maybe not the media circus, but it does.
I like OBJ the player, and from what his teammates have said about him, I appreciate that he's a well liked and respected person who has a lot of loyalty from those who know him.
In an alternate reality, there was no serious OBJ drama, no trade, the Giants lucked into some competent oline play, Barkley didn't get hurt and OBJ, Eli and Barkley lit it up for another year maybe two. And that version of me bought a 13 jersey.
But that didn't happen. And here we are.
The plane video shows he is still a distraction and with his injuries and age, this is not the right direction for the Giants.
Even though part of my heart would like OBJ back, it only has to do with that "what if" I just described. My brain overwhelmingly says that this is not the right move to make.
I honestly wish OBJ success and good fortune. I kind of root for OBJ the guy. I really think he's a good dude, who can be an ahole at times, and I just like that success to be with another team.
The tagged Barkley, so two guys that OBJ is really close to. He's expressed a desire to return to NY.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
The tagged Barkley, so two guys that OBJ is really close to. He's expressed a desire to return to NY.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
The tagged Barkley, so two guys that OBJ is really close to. He's expressed a desire to return to NY.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
Lol, you failed to mentioned the two torn ACL's in the same knee. Nobody cares about antics in 2017, but moving fwd he's a terrible fit.
Also, his latest plane incident tells me that he hasn't changed at all.
I don't think the Giants are truly interested, he's the exact opposite of what they want. 10-15 AAV for OBJ is insane when you can trade for Hopkins and he will have a 17.5 AAV. Pass.
its funny that you don't "think" we will see that OBJ.
That OBJ is long gone. Please list all of the players that have come back successfully from 2 torn ACL's in the same knee. Then list guys that produced where they used to and how many were WR's.
I love how everyone is just glossing over that. Guys do not come back from 2 torn ACL's in the same knee and have the same lateral movement. It's not happening.
in terms of AAV isn't really important. The important part would be the GTD portion, with protections to the team in case of re-injury. Obviously, there's not going to be a full guarantee here, not from anyone.
In terms of the plane video, obviously it was a stressful situation where OBJ was probably intoxicated or hungover, perhaps he had taken a valium for the flight, who knows. At any rate, while it wasn't his finest moment, he wasn't arrested, he was woken up from a deep sleep, he wasn't violent, he complied. Mountain out of a molehill. I don't think anything of the flight video, personally. He obviously wasn't in a good state to fly, that's on him.
I trust that teams will do due diligence on is ability to perform. It will have been over a year and a half since his latest ACL tear by the time week 1 of the season rolls around. The description word of his work out recently was termed "explosive". I don't know how many wide receivers have even torn an ACL in the same knee. But I do know a couple of running backs have done so and come back. Frank Gore tore an ACL in his knee twice in college and played 16 seasons in what is likely to result in a HOF career.
I don't think anyone here can say with certainty whether or not he can compete at a high level again. But I do know that he did compete at a high level the last time he played for an NFL team, down the stretch of the 2021 regular season and playoffs for the Rams.
I don't even think there's many guys you can compare Odell to. He's an elite athlete even compared to other NFL players.
Yes there's risk, but teams will factor that in to his contract. There's also an upside that few receivers possess, and no receivers currently signed to the NY Giants possess.
I believe him to be a gamble worth taking, if the money is right.
Write him off if you want. Yeah, he can get hurt again, and so can Shep, Wan'Dale, Campbell, etc. You can lose anybody at any time. There has been enough time in between his last surgery and now, that, if he demonstrates the movement ability, there's no reason, barring a re-injury, that he can't get back to providing elite production. In his workout, he looked like he was in elite shape, looked like a monster. And he looked quick out of his breaks.
If he lands elsewhere, I won't be shocked to see him perform at a high level again.
the chances of you being an elite NFL WR again is minimal, but when it happens twice, its almost non existent.
You don't make anything of the plane video? Supposedly before the video was even taken he was an hole and then started to go after other passengers lol. It was a huge sign that he's the same immature kid that couldn't control himself here the first time.
injured again than anyone else on our roster not named Shep. This isn't a "hey, anyone can get hurt" situation. This is a guy that had two major knee reconstructions. He will never be the same. Maybe it heals him enough to be able to cut and play, but he will never be the same guy. Its just the way it is.
injured again than anyone else on our roster not named Shep. This isn't a "hey, anyone can get hurt" situation. This is a guy that had two major knee reconstructions. He will never be the same. Maybe it heals him enough to be able to cut and play, but he will never be the same guy. Its just the way it is.
Bingo!
I have entrusted Schoen with a body of armor. If he signs Odell that would be the first chink in it. I would be pissed
injured again than anyone else on our roster not named Shep. This isn't a "hey, anyone can get hurt" situation. This is a guy that had two major knee reconstructions. He will never be the same. Maybe it heals him enough to be able to cut and play, but he will never be the same guy. Its just the way it is.
Maybe he won't be the same guy. And he wouldn't even have to be to still be the best receiver on this team. If he averaged 50 yards a game and scored 5 TDs on the year he would've been our most productive receiver from last year.
Time will tell, because someone will sign him, and we can then debate pending his season would he have been worth it.
the knee will be an issue for him for the rest of his career. Whether he can't ever practice or misses games here and there and can never regain form at all, it will be something he needs to maintain for the rest of his career. The chances of him getting hurt again are extremely high, especially when you can't mimic game speed. At the numbers that are being discussed, it would be absolute insanity. Lets the Cowboys deal with that.
have successful comebacks from 2 acls from the searches I've done. If I've missed anyone, I'd be curious...
Casey Hampton-DT -
Thomas Davis LB
Domonique Hixon WR
Hampton is a DT, completely different than a WR as he is more straight ahead than lateral. Thomas Davis was a freak who I believe had 3 ACL's. Hixon played 1 year and then was out of football after.
RG3 who is another player reliant on his knees, never regained form either.
Now coming off a 2nd major surgery. Obviously teams aren't kicking the door down to get him
Good but not great? He had the highest receiving yards per game OF ALL TIME of a player's first 3 seasons. I believe he was in the top 5 ALL TIME in all major receiving categories for a 3 season stretch. He set the record for most receptions EVER in his first 50 games.
What is the definition of "great" to you? PP, come off it, man. He was legitimately great, HISTORICALLY great his first few seasons.
the knee will be an issue for him for the rest of his career. Whether he can't ever practice or misses games here and there and can never regain form at all, it will be something he needs to maintain for the rest of his career. The chances of him getting hurt again are extremely high, especially when you can't mimic game speed. At the numbers that are being discussed, it would be absolute insanity. Lets the Cowboys deal with that.
I didn't think you weren't convinced of your position in your earlier post.
I also don't think you can possibly know that for certain, and only time will tell. Of course it's a risk. It's been acknowledged. All I know is the last time he played, that was a damn good receiver.
have successful comebacks from 2 acls from the searches I've done. If I've missed anyone, I'd be curious...
Casey Hampton-DT -
Thomas Davis LB
Domonique Hixon WR
Hampton is a DT, completely different than a WR as he is more straight ahead than lateral. Thomas Davis was a freak who I believe had 3 ACL's. Hixon played 1 year and then was out of football after.
RG3 who is another player reliant on his knees, never regained form either.
Frank Gore is who you're missing.
And you mentioned Thomas Davis was a freak. You know, so is OBJ.
between the ears. Odell is just crazy lol. Thomas Davis was a bad mutha effer. You see Odell in that light? Or Odell is just a freak in the sense that he's physically quicker and faster than everyone else? Well, not anymore. So, he'd have to have a freak mentality to come back and he certainly doesn't. Not like Thomas Davis.
I think he's worth the risk for someone. I don't think our situation is that situation.
was able to do after tearing his ACL twice in college. Obviously RB's need to have lateral movement, but Gore was a true north/south runner, but still a good comparison.
between the ears. Odell is just crazy lol. Thomas Davis was a bad mutha effer. You see Odell in that light? Or Odell is just a freak in the sense that he's physically quicker and faster than everyone else? Well, not anymore. So, he'd have to have a freak mentality to come back and he certainly doesn't. Not like Thomas Davis.
I think he's worth the risk for someone. I don't think our situation is that situation.
Kmed - I respect your disagreement. In terms of Odell being crazy, I wouldn't go that far. I think he has some eccentricities, but I think a portion of BBI has overblown some stuff. All his teammates seem to love him. If someone was that much of a poison pill, I don't think you would find that in terms of those that have shared a locker room with him.
That said, I think he gets really frustrated when the QB play is subpar. The saga with Mayfield wasn't pretty, but was he right? He absolutely was. He was smoking corners and Mayfield couldn't get him the ball.
That may be a little diva-ish, but the frustration is understandable. He wants to win.
In terms of a freak...yeah, I think he's a freak physically. In a lot of ways, not just physique. But here's the shape he was in for his private workout...and this is on his own, after not being with an NFL team since March of 2022:
It certainly seems like he's been working out, re-habbing like a freak. And that is mental fortitude.
And not just a freak for his physique as I said, but the near 33" arms and 10" hands on a 5'10" man is a freak. He can reach more balls, but also, the longer arms give him greater control of his center of gravity and balance. The body physics of OBJ is unique, yes, even freak-like.
Finally, when you say he's worth the risk for someone, but not the Giants, who else do you mean? You're comfortable with a WR group of Shep, Hodgins, Campbell, and Wan'Dale? Now I like some of these guys, but come on, who is the team that could benefit more from a healthy OBJ than the NY Giants? Because I have no idea who that team is.
There’s no way I’m falling for this nonsense again.
Me “two.”
He aleeady said on twitter he was never asking for 20, but I definitely think he's asking in the 15 range. He will have to settle for what the market is willing to offer
“Have your mom call my agent”
Quote:
No one is giving him close to $20M per year.
He aleeady said on twitter he was never asking for 20, but I definitely think he's asking in the 15 range. He will have to settle for what the market is willing to offer
He’s older coming off second ACL. Meyers got 11 million per. Prime of his career. If Odell gets 15 he should thank his lucky
Stars. I think teams are probably thinking in the 10 range for him
I'm probably one of the few who wanted OBJ back, but with the signing of Campbell and Slayton, that ship has probably sailed.
If they had signed OBJ it would have eliminated the need for a WR at 24 and opened the 1st and 2nd RD up to CB, OL or even ILB and DL. (Now it seems like we're locked into a combination of WR/CB at 1 and 2.)
I mean, we are returning everyone except James and Golladay was replaced with Campbell.
Why not overpay for Odell?
Right 😂😂😂😂
+1
There’s no way I’m falling for this nonsense again.
He wasn'tt ready to play. Period. He decided to shut it down and rehab more when teams saw him. It happens...maybe not the media circus, but it does.
hahahahahahaha! 0 for 3!
In an alternate reality, there was no serious OBJ drama, no trade, the Giants lucked into some competent oline play, Barkley didn't get hurt and OBJ, Eli and Barkley lit it up for another year maybe two. And that version of me bought a 13 jersey.
But that didn't happen. And here we are.
The plane video shows he is still a distraction and with his injuries and age, this is not the right direction for the Giants.
Even though part of my heart would like OBJ back, it only has to do with that "what if" I just described. My brain overwhelmingly says that this is not the right move to make.
I honestly wish OBJ success and good fortune. I kind of root for OBJ the guy. I really think he's a good dude, who can be an ahole at times, and I just like that success to be with another team.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
Good post. I agree.
My take is this is his #1 preferred spot. Yeah, he wants to get paid, and that's going to be a strong factor in wherever he lands. But I also think if Schoen offers him, if the money is even close, but not the top offer, he'll be a Giant again.
That said, not sure Schoen will offer with some commitment to Campbell and Slayton already made.
A draft choice in the first two rounds makes a ton of sense, but a $12-$15M AAV commitment to OBJ? Not sure Schoen will see that as feasible at this point.
But the timing on this is really noteworthy. OBJ is seeing back to back signings of Campbell and Slayton, and he probably feels the window to a Giants' return is closing (if it's not closed). And this strikes me as a panic move that makes me believe he desperately wants this reunion.
And I'll be honest, I want it too. I remember the dog pee thing... doesn't really bother me as I know it was a political protest for comments made by you know who.
The kicking net...pfft. The video with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne? Ill-advised, but water under the bridge.
But 44 TDs as a Giant? 5,476 receiving yards in 59 games as a Giant...yeah, I want that OBJ back.
It's fair to say you don't think we'll ever see that OBJ in the NFL again. I still believe he has that in him.
Lol, you failed to mentioned the two torn ACL's in the same knee. Nobody cares about antics in 2017, but moving fwd he's a terrible fit.
Also, his latest plane incident tells me that he hasn't changed at all.
I don't think the Giants are truly interested, he's the exact opposite of what they want. 10-15 AAV for OBJ is insane when you can trade for Hopkins and he will have a 17.5 AAV. Pass.
That OBJ is long gone. Please list all of the players that have come back successfully from 2 torn ACL's in the same knee. Then list guys that produced where they used to and how many were WR's.
I love how everyone is just glossing over that. Guys do not come back from 2 torn ACL's in the same knee and have the same lateral movement. It's not happening.
12M??!?!
My big fear here is that we pay more for the name and hype than he is worth. I'm thinking something around but a bit lower than slaytons deal.
In terms of the plane video, obviously it was a stressful situation where OBJ was probably intoxicated or hungover, perhaps he had taken a valium for the flight, who knows. At any rate, while it wasn't his finest moment, he wasn't arrested, he was woken up from a deep sleep, he wasn't violent, he complied. Mountain out of a molehill. I don't think anything of the flight video, personally. He obviously wasn't in a good state to fly, that's on him.
I trust that teams will do due diligence on is ability to perform. It will have been over a year and a half since his latest ACL tear by the time week 1 of the season rolls around. The description word of his work out recently was termed "explosive". I don't know how many wide receivers have even torn an ACL in the same knee. But I do know a couple of running backs have done so and come back. Frank Gore tore an ACL in his knee twice in college and played 16 seasons in what is likely to result in a HOF career.
I don't think anyone here can say with certainty whether or not he can compete at a high level again. But I do know that he did compete at a high level the last time he played for an NFL team, down the stretch of the 2021 regular season and playoffs for the Rams.
I don't even think there's many guys you can compare Odell to. He's an elite athlete even compared to other NFL players.
Yes there's risk, but teams will factor that in to his contract. There's also an upside that few receivers possess, and no receivers currently signed to the NY Giants possess.
I believe him to be a gamble worth taking, if the money is right.
Write him off if you want. Yeah, he can get hurt again, and so can Shep, Wan'Dale, Campbell, etc. You can lose anybody at any time. There has been enough time in between his last surgery and now, that, if he demonstrates the movement ability, there's no reason, barring a re-injury, that he can't get back to providing elite production. In his workout, he looked like he was in elite shape, looked like a monster. And he looked quick out of his breaks.
If he lands elsewhere, I won't be shocked to see him perform at a high level again.
You don't make anything of the plane video? Supposedly before the video was even taken he was an hole and then started to go after other passengers lol. It was a huge sign that he's the same immature kid that couldn't control himself here the first time.
Bingo!
I have entrusted Schoen with a body of armor. If he signs Odell that would be the first chink in it. I would be pissed
Maybe he won't be the same guy. And he wouldn't even have to be to still be the best receiver on this team. If he averaged 50 yards a game and scored 5 TDs on the year he would've been our most productive receiver from last year.
Time will tell, because someone will sign him, and we can then debate pending his season would he have been worth it.
Casey Hampton-DT -
Thomas Davis LB
Domonique Hixon WR
Hampton is a DT, completely different than a WR as he is more straight ahead than lateral. Thomas Davis was a freak who I believe had 3 ACL's. Hixon played 1 year and then was out of football after.
RG3 who is another player reliant on his knees, never regained form either.
Good but not great? He had the highest receiving yards per game OF ALL TIME of a player's first 3 seasons. I believe he was in the top 5 ALL TIME in all major receiving categories for a 3 season stretch. He set the record for most receptions EVER in his first 50 games.
What is the definition of "great" to you? PP, come off it, man. He was legitimately great, HISTORICALLY great his first few seasons.
I didn't think you weren't convinced of your position in your earlier post.
I also don't think you can possibly know that for certain, and only time will tell. Of course it's a risk. It's been acknowledged. All I know is the last time he played, that was a damn good receiver.
Casey Hampton-DT -
Thomas Davis LB
Domonique Hixon WR
Hampton is a DT, completely different than a WR as he is more straight ahead than lateral. Thomas Davis was a freak who I believe had 3 ACL's. Hixon played 1 year and then was out of football after.
RG3 who is another player reliant on his knees, never regained form either.
Frank Gore is who you're missing.
And you mentioned Thomas Davis was a freak. You know, so is OBJ.
I think he's worth the risk for someone. I don't think our situation is that situation.
It would be a real disappointment if we bring this jackass back.
I think he's worth the risk for someone. I don't think our situation is that situation.
Kmed - I respect your disagreement. In terms of Odell being crazy, I wouldn't go that far. I think he has some eccentricities, but I think a portion of BBI has overblown some stuff. All his teammates seem to love him. If someone was that much of a poison pill, I don't think you would find that in terms of those that have shared a locker room with him.
That said, I think he gets really frustrated when the QB play is subpar. The saga with Mayfield wasn't pretty, but was he right? He absolutely was. He was smoking corners and Mayfield couldn't get him the ball.
That may be a little diva-ish, but the frustration is understandable. He wants to win.
In terms of a freak...yeah, I think he's a freak physically. In a lot of ways, not just physique. But here's the shape he was in for his private workout...and this is on his own, after not being with an NFL team since March of 2022:
It certainly seems like he's been working out, re-habbing like a freak. And that is mental fortitude.
And not just a freak for his physique as I said, but the near 33" arms and 10" hands on a 5'10" man is a freak. He can reach more balls, but also, the longer arms give him greater control of his center of gravity and balance. The body physics of OBJ is unique, yes, even freak-like.
Finally, when you say he's worth the risk for someone, but not the Giants, who else do you mean? You're comfortable with a WR group of Shep, Hodgins, Campbell, and Wan'Dale? Now I like some of these guys, but come on, who is the team that could benefit more from a healthy OBJ than the NY Giants? Because I have no idea who that team is.
Was a good teammate but reportedly difficult to manage. That's an OBJ and a HC problem. Don't recall him being disruptive as a Ram.