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Former GM Rick Spielman's take on NY Giants 25th pick

Rave7 : 3/17/2023 12:53 am

I was listening to CBS podcast " with the first pick" today which was done by Ryan Wilson and Former Vikings GM Rick Spielman.
I like the podcast since Spielman talks about how real NFL front office people think and do behind the scene.
One of the talk on today's episode was about Ryan Wilson's recent mock draft of Giants pick. Wilson picked Zay Flowers WR for Giants and Rick Spielman hated it.
In his mind, Giants should have picked O'Cyrus Torrence, OG from Florida if he is available rather than Flowers. He thinks
Torrence is 1st rd talent, possible pro bowl OG, day 1 starter. He said Glowinski and Ezedu is just a body, and Torrence instantly upgrades OL.
Spielman thinks Flowers are same as Wandale Robinson and slot in NFL system, it's redundant.
What do you guys think?
It was interesting take since it came from former GM.
Listen to the episode if you want. Giants talk is towards the end of episode.

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3 1st round picks

GiantsRage2007 : 3/17/2023 10:46 am : link

On the OL isn’t smart allocation.

Eventually you need to hit on later picks or FA and Coach them up.

We need skill position talent too.

RE: RE: He’s not wrong.

Beer Man : 3/17/2023 10:53 am : link

In comment 16068280 Beer Man said:

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You have to wonder if a guy that size can take the NFL pounding? Look at Wan'Dale, he left the field on his very first NFL hit, was injured much of the year, and did not make it through an entire game without leaving the field dinged up. Seems like guys that size have to be very elusive.

Here is a scouting report on Flowers
B/R: Zay Flowers - ( New Window )

RE: 3 1st round picks

81_Great_Dane : 3/17/2023 10:59 am : link

In comment 16068284 GiantsRage2007 said:

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On the OL isn’t smart allocation.

Agree.

Flowers, Robinson and the other short-ish WRs:

81_Great_Dane : 3/17/2023 11:06 am : link

I can't tell what this Giants regime wants in a WR. We fans like a mix, and we tend to like big WRs to play outside. But as someone observed yesterday, Schoen and Daboll seem to want separation above all. If that's the case, size isn't going to be decisive. Speed and shiftiness are going to be more important.

Maybe they prefer fast WRs and big TEs.

Another question I don't know the answer to: For Schoen and Daboll, how important is run blocking for WRs? Given that they kept Barkley, it has to count for something.

Bottom line: Their WR evaluation is going to be sophisticated and nuanced. They're looking for a system fit and certain specific skills. They may not mind at all having multiple guys who seem "redundant" to an outsider.

Ezeudu is not just a body

ElitoCanton : 3/17/2023 11:20 am : link

He has fantastic athleticism. He was making great strides before he got hurt. He is part of the long term plan.

RE: RE: O'Cyrus Torrence

Semipro Lineman : 3/17/2023 11:25 am : link

In comment 16068171 rasbutant said:

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The weight scares me.

The Heavy Guards

These massive men have not had a good go of it in the NFL as only a few of them were ever regular starters in the league and only one ever made the Pro Bowl.

Point of information. The smallest guy on your list was 340lbs while Torrence is listed at 330. A quick search shows that there are at least two all pro guards his size in the last five years.

Looking Like IOL To Me

regischarlotte : 3/17/2023 1:16 pm : link

Cyrus or Schmitz.

RE: I'd be happy with Flowers

Brown_Hornet : 3/17/2023 1:32 pm : link

In comment 16068256 JonC said:

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but would prefer QJ, Addison, or JSN.

I'd wager the pick will be WR, CB, or Edge.

I agree.
The odds of adding talent at iol is much easier to do later in the draft than CB, WR & DE.
It is also less expensive to get a quality iol in free agency.

Mapping a teams biggest PERCEIVED need

David B. : 3/17/2023 1:41 pm : link

(as defined by the media) to their first round pick, is a total rookie mistake to think that way. And yet 95% of all draft people and fans still do this every year.

RE: I’d have zero problem taking

djm : 3/17/2023 1:52 pm : link

In comment 16068019 Big Blue '56 said:

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a stud OG at 25

Same here.

RE: OL is the main reason

BigBlueinDE : 3/17/2023 3:08 pm : link

In comment 16068091 bluefin said:

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that PHI and DAL are a notch above NYG. No pick is too high for a good lineman.

Tony Pauline's (PFN) take

Spider43 : 3/17/2023 3:09 pm : link

Jan Michael Vincent, er, John Michael Schmitz at # 25...

Minnesota Center - ( New Window )

O’C T

Joe Beckwith : 3/17/2023 5:06 pm : link

doesn’t make it to #25, unless he posts a pic of himself with a bong and a gas mask with the window fogged up.
And even then….

RE: Tony Pauline's (PFN) take

Johnny5 : 3/17/2023 8:32 pm : link

In comment 16068762 Spider43 said:

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Jan Michael Vincent, er, John Michael Schmitz at # 25... Minnesota Center - ( New Window )

Yeah he also seems pretty interesting

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