To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
They offered him more than he signed for in Seattle. He rejected it. You’d know that if you had read the thread. Not everything is as black and white as you’re pretending it is. In fact, almost nothing is….
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Did you miss the part where it said we offered him more than what Seattle gave him ?
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
team captain, green dot, iron horse, special teams stud, Swiss Army knife, smart, tough, dependable, always in the right place - at least he’s out of the division
Dude, it's not that bad, he was a good player, not a great player. Relax!
1. Sloppy tackle attempt on Dallas Goedert in Playoffs.
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
Nice list. That was probably every miss he made in the entire year which is a lot less than anyone else on defense. Guy was the most reliable tackler on the team. Period. End of story.
No he wasn't a super star. But reliable, healthy and smart.
I figured they had to save money somewhere and he was low man on the totem pole. Yes, safety is a fairly easy position to replace.
Pinnock and Belton are now on the clock.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
Love was a very versatile leader on and off the field. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed about keeping Slayton for the same money as Love received from Seattle.
Jason Pinnock did show plenty of skills though and they must've felt confident enough in him and Belton to allow Love to walk. I expect a safety to be added in the draft as well.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
i heard on an interview that a no tax state was important to him along with cost of living
The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
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New York, it’s been an unforgettable 4 years. Being a part of this Giants community has been a dream and I’m so grateful to everyone who made NY home.
To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
julianmlove
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New York, it’s been an unforgettable 4 years. Being a part of this Giants community has been a dream and I’m so grateful to everyone who made NY home.
To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
He's a classy dude.
I can definitely see him being a coach when his playing career is over.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
If we did offer more and he chose to leave then it becomes personal so Screw you Love. Enjoy the rain everyday. Bye!!!!
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Can someone ban this fucking idiot? Personal attacks now? You were WRONG!
The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
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The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
No shit it was stupid. You know what else is stupid, your post. Do you think one dumb thing speaks for the entire city. Seattle is indeed a fun city.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
you know this,how?
because after a full training camp they made love a captain and almost got rid of slayton?
then during the bye week they tried to extend love but not slayton.
and if we just want to look at production, love played 150 more snaps than anyone on defense, another 200 snaps on ST, led the defense in tackles, wore the green dot, and filled in admirably all over when other guys were out. all in love played almost 2x as many snaps as slayton so him leaving creates a bigger hole (imo). A lot of Slayton's 70 targets were probably already easily re-routed to waller/hodgins/campbell and he doesn't play specials.
even their relative contracts imply the market thinks love is the better player because he got paid same as slayton except at a lower value position where there was a glut of players available compared to wr which is now the 2nd most expensive position and had a very thin fa market.
clearly there was some kind of disconnect between the 2 sides with the nyg making multiple approaches but then ultimately disengaging once he hit the open market, but the final outcome is what it is. the nyg lost a 24 year old captain and core defensive player from last year for a reasonable price. that's an L regardless of the position value. love is a lesser talented player but this is somewhat reminiscent of letting linval joseph walk bc dt wasn't a premium position and he was just a good not great player. which would have been a mistake even if he went to minnesota and didnt continue improving bc forgetting how he performed the nyg had a lot of trouble finding a competent replacement.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
taylor rapp is another good player. he's taken visits to ne and cin (nyg havent been one of them) and by resume he's more accomplished than love, so i assume he'll get a similar contract. like love he's entering his age 25 season.
cgj and byard are both about to be out there as well so there are options.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
correct, they prioritized love as recently as 6 days ago per the rumors your citing valued him even more than they paid slayton, yet ultimately ended up paying a guy they didnt prioritize the same thing love got. you think that's a win?
if you believe the rumors that love turned down more ahead of UFA, the same rumors say once FA opened they disengaged with love. is it possible that was a mistake and at the price he ended up getting they actually would have brought him back? isnt it actually implied in the rumors your citing that if they offered him more money they surely would have been thrilled to have him back at less $?
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
Game over man, there's no replacement for Love out there.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
I figure one or two years (with the usual void option if it's two), lol), because I'm guessing the Giants will draft another Safety again this year.
Washington state has no income tax. There is sales tax.
No state income tax is a big deal for a lot of people. Only 5 states don’t have sales tax and Washington isn’t one.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
depending on how bonus is structured and where love's full time residence is, the difference in net income is likely under 500k. half of the games he plays in aren't in washington and seattle plays in a division with 2 CA teams. the nfl season is short enough with enough travel for his primary residence to be anywhere he wants and if he gets paid signing or roster bonuses i believe it would be taxed at that rate.
bottom line the numbers in his deal are small enough that if the nyg wanted to it's unlikely that washington state taxes were the difference here. it's certainly not why they disengaged with him once FA opened. it seems like both sides went in different directions which is just odd given everything we heard for the last year. it seemed like if that was going to happen a much great $ difference was going to be why.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
Seems the Giants liked Love, and made him a serious offer.
If his deal turns out to be near what Marcus Epps got (2/12M 7.7M guaranteed), with a 4.7M cap hit in 2023, the Giants could have easily made that work.
Sometimes a guy prefers to go elsewhere.
In addition to taxes, keeping a residence in New Jersey is expensive. Especially if it's not your jam and you live somewhere else in the off season.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
weird strawman, nowhere did i say "they aren't allowed to replace love", in fact my entire point is there is a lot they need to replace with him leaving, like 700+ more snaps in a variety of different roles more than they would have to had to replace if slayton left.
as ive said in prior comments i would be all over taylor rapp if they have the $ and if not him then jaquan johnson. i would not pretend dane belton and jason pinnock can just step in and do what love did cheaper as others said.
Giants must have their eye on a safety high in the draft
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
They offered him more than he signed for in Seattle. He rejected it. You’d know that if you had read the thread. Not everything is as black and white as you’re pretending it is. In fact, almost nothing is….
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Did you miss the part where it said we offered him more than what Seattle gave him ?
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Now with Belton and Pinnock plus with someone they may get in the free agency or the draft.
Dude, it's not that bad, he was a good player, not a great player. Relax!
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
Nice list. That was probably every miss he made in the entire year which is a lot less than anyone else on defense. Guy was the most reliable tackler on the team. Period. End of story.
No he wasn't a super star. But reliable, healthy and smart.
I figured they had to save money somewhere and he was low man on the totem pole. Yes, safety is a fairly easy position to replace.
Pinnock and Belton are now on the clock.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Dude, get a grip
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
Jason Pinnock did show plenty of skills though and they must've felt confident enough in him and Belton to allow Love to walk. I expect a safety to be added in the draft as well.
Also, for those bitching about Darius' contract in relation to this...look @ the finer details of Darius' deal.
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
i heard on an interview that a no tax state was important to him along with cost of living
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
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To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
He's a classy dude.
I can definitely see him being a coach when his playing career is over.
I wish him the best in Seattle.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
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Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
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Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
Go back to lurking I guess then
that's some dick shit.
That’s some hilarious shit
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
If we did offer more and he chose to leave then it becomes personal so Screw you Love. Enjoy the rain everyday. Bye!!!!
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Can someone ban this fucking idiot? Personal attacks now? You were WRONG!
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
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but here's a really simple checklist.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
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The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
No shit it was stupid. You know what else is stupid, your post. Do you think one dumb thing speaks for the entire city. Seattle is indeed a fun city.
Probably to a situation where you are a bigger piece of the puzzle, not fending off Belton.
What’s Love got to do with it?
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but here's a really simple checklist.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
you know this,how?
because after a full training camp they made love a captain and almost got rid of slayton?
then during the bye week they tried to extend love but not slayton.
and if we just want to look at production, love played 150 more snaps than anyone on defense, another 200 snaps on ST, led the defense in tackles, wore the green dot, and filled in admirably all over when other guys were out. all in love played almost 2x as many snaps as slayton so him leaving creates a bigger hole (imo). A lot of Slayton's 70 targets were probably already easily re-routed to waller/hodgins/campbell and he doesn't play specials.
even their relative contracts imply the market thinks love is the better player because he got paid same as slayton except at a lower value position where there was a glut of players available compared to wr which is now the 2nd most expensive position and had a very thin fa market.
clearly there was some kind of disconnect between the 2 sides with the nyg making multiple approaches but then ultimately disengaging once he hit the open market, but the final outcome is what it is. the nyg lost a 24 year old captain and core defensive player from last year for a reasonable price. that's an L regardless of the position value. love is a lesser talented player but this is somewhat reminiscent of letting linval joseph walk bc dt wasn't a premium position and he was just a good not great player. which would have been a mistake even if he went to minnesota and didnt continue improving bc forgetting how he performed the nyg had a lot of trouble finding a competent replacement.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
taylor rapp is another good player. he's taken visits to ne and cin (nyg havent been one of them) and by resume he's more accomplished than love, so i assume he'll get a similar contract. like love he's entering his age 25 season.
cgj and byard are both about to be out there as well so there are options.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
correct, they prioritized love as recently as 6 days ago per the rumors your citing valued him even more than they paid slayton, yet ultimately ended up paying a guy they didnt prioritize the same thing love got. you think that's a win?
if you believe the rumors that love turned down more ahead of UFA, the same rumors say once FA opened they disengaged with love. is it possible that was a mistake and at the price he ended up getting they actually would have brought him back? isnt it actually implied in the rumors your citing that if they offered him more money they surely would have been thrilled to have him back at less $?
Game over man, there's no replacement for Love out there.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
I figure one or two years (with the usual void option if it's two), lol), because I'm guessing the Giants will draft another Safety again this year.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
depending on how bonus is structured and where love's full time residence is, the difference in net income is likely under 500k. half of the games he plays in aren't in washington and seattle plays in a division with 2 CA teams. the nfl season is short enough with enough travel for his primary residence to be anywhere he wants and if he gets paid signing or roster bonuses i believe it would be taxed at that rate.
bottom line the numbers in his deal are small enough that if the nyg wanted to it's unlikely that washington state taxes were the difference here. it's certainly not why they disengaged with him once FA opened. it seems like both sides went in different directions which is just odd given everything we heard for the last year. it seemed like if that was going to happen a much great $ difference was going to be why.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
If his deal turns out to be near what Marcus Epps got (2/12M 7.7M guaranteed), with a 4.7M cap hit in 2023, the Giants could have easily made that work.
Sometimes a guy prefers to go elsewhere.
In addition to taxes, keeping a residence in New Jersey is expensive. Especially if it's not your jam and you live somewhere else in the off season.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
weird strawman, nowhere did i say "they aren't allowed to replace love", in fact my entire point is there is a lot they need to replace with him leaving, like 700+ more snaps in a variety of different roles more than they would have to had to replace if slayton left.
as ive said in prior comments i would be all over taylor rapp if they have the $ and if not him then jaquan johnson. i would not pretend dane belton and jason pinnock can just step in and do what love did cheaper as others said.