Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
I think it sucks, I think it’s a loss for the team but I also feel like he’s replaceable. Apparently the front office feels the same or they would have fought harder to bring him back. Best of luck to him in Seattle.
Brian Branch of Alabama is an outstanding and versatile DB in the Minkah Fitzpatrick mode. Wouldn't mind taking him at 25. But probably less than 50-50 that he'll still be on the board.
more likely hedging/replacing him since he's coming back off a major surgery. diggs plays more deep for them, adams and love both play in the box more.
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
I agree but McK will need to redone only so much money and yes his money could have been the Slayton deal, however WR is a greater need and helping Jones continue his growth with some consistency is vital. Not to mention we have young viable cost effective options on the roster already and a good draft for safeties potentially.
but I would rather keep Slayton. McKinney is better and will command more money so it's hard to justify committing lots of resources to one position group. And after his performance in that playoff loss to the Eagles, I'm ok with him leaving.
and he was a good guy to root for. I wish him well.
This is where the GM and coach earn the big bucks -- in a vacuum, you could argue Love is more valuable than Slayton, but the Giants' WR room is still loaded with question marks, while at S you have McKinney, a promising guy in Belton the new regime has invested in, Pinnock and possibly more on the way. Time will tell if it was the right move.
on the entire defense last year by about 150 in his first year as a full time starter, and captain, and green dot, on the way out the door.
love is not an irreplaceable player but for a pretty unsubstantial amount of money they created a big hole to fill. quite literally 1k snaps, a C, and someone smart enough in the system to call plays and get the defense lined up.
also played 220 special teams snaps which was about 50%
im sure they had their reasons for moving on but at the end of the day i think 1300 snaps of what love did is harder production to fill than the 70 targets slayton got.
jaquan johnson is an under the radar player id love to see them sign.
And a good deal for Seattle. I think the acquisition and flash from Pinnock made him a little more expendable. Also the longterm outlook of potentially having to pay McKinney influenced how high the Giants would go too.
That's a really good deal for Seattle and I hope Love has success there.
I’m genuinely curious if the Giants would have matched that, or if he just wanted to change the view
I'm surprised Raiders didn't take a look - Love seemed a little torn on Graham leaving as DC. Not surprised he left and not surprised Giants didn't really "fight" to keep him.
When McKinney went out, offenses seemed to hone in on him in coverage frequently in 2nd half of season and in critical downs (both Washington and Philly games).
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
Positonal value, resource allocation and roster building. They drafted Belton and like Pinnock even more. They will be paying McKinney as well most likely.
I hear what you are saying and I don’t disagree with your point either.
RE: I would have preferred Love over Slayton as well
would have kept Love for that contract. Crazy not to IMO. Bad move by the Giants, especially since he was a team captain, a "glue guy," and much more valuable than Slayton, who basically got the same deal.
A good player who is young and a locker room leader.
The way I look at it, they opted to get younger/cheaper at safety with 2 in-house options that they like. They used the savings to fill a massive hole at LB- with Okereke, who I feel is a better player at LB than Love is at Safety.
A slight downgrade at S for a huge upgrade at LB. And by the end of the season, Belton/Pinnock may offer more than Love did, at least on the field - both are better athletes and offer better size.
Details might help shed light, but my quick response would have been to agree to a deal with Love at this level. Doesn't do anything really well but contributes across the board.
Not a positive move here.
everyone compromises on their core beliefs at some point
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
Love is a great person and a good versatile football player.
However he was not a good free safety which is his main position.
I think this spot will be addressed in the draft.
I have to trust JS if he was in their plans he would have made the deal.
I think they want a guy who covers more ground than Love.
As far as the the slayton vs love debate; slayton is good at the role they need him to do. Love is a great backup for a couple of positions but I don’t think he is ideal starter for Free safety. Do I wish there was money there to keep him, yes, but I’m not the one looking at the books or have the blueprints
Guys are way over romanticizing what love was. He played a lot of snaps. Hes a good dude. Ok great lol. This team wouldnt have made the playoffs without slayton. Wouldve been just fine with pinnock instead of love.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
that sounds more like speculation "believe giants offered more out of the gate" than reporting.
maybe the giants offered more in november and he turned that down hoping the market was better than it turned out to be, but id be surprised if the nyg had a 14m offer on the table and he chose 12m bc seattle said nice things to him. not impossible but seems unlikely.
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
2 for 12 is not unreasonable and I'm sure we could have resigned him and he would be back if he wanted to be in NY
The fact that Seattle was the first team to show interest and then he just signs leads me to believe he wanted to play there.
I dont think this is on the FO. Its just what Love wanted
He had an apparent major desire for a no State tax state…at least that was the face comment.
I think once the mid season negotiations failed his agent was shopping him; when the S market stalled opening day, he saw 10M wasn’t happening, but that he’d better sign before he was playing for 1.5 M as possibly the last S to sign.
He got his no tax State, a young team even younger if they use all 4 picks in the top 52, and did the Giants a favor as a point of comparison with the remaking FA Ss.
and Love was prior regime, to boot. They could've just identified they wanted a SS with different skillset, rookie scale contract, etc. Snug cap with a big QB contract, and Dex's incoming deal means you can't keep 'em all.
and Love was prior regime, to boot. They could've just identified they wanted a SS with different skillset, rookie scale contract, etc. Snug cap with a big QB contract, and Dex's incoming deal means you can't keep 'em all.
this is a pretty simple case where they could have kept 1 between him and slayton.
week 1 around the same time they were about to cut slayton if he didnt take a paycut they were sowing on love's captain badge. at the bye they were again trying to extend love, not slayton. both players were prior regime so something appears to have short circuited since November.
I'm not entirely sure if all players we signed so far combined is worth Love.
The linebacker BobbyO we added alone is enough for me to lose love if that was the choice I had to make, and it would a very easy choice for me
I like Love, wish him the best. But I’m not worried about playing against him so I’m not going to shed any tears over this, it’s just how it goes sometimes, he is a nice to have and not a must have player.
This also could be as simple as slayton decided to stay and he did not.
Schoen and Daboll are building a team that is FAST and physical. Speed will never be Love's game. They drafted Belton and found Pinnock (both faster and better athletes) as Love's replacement. Mckinney get the big dollars for this position group next year.
and Love was prior regime, to boot. They could've just identified they wanted a SS with different skillset, rookie scale contract, etc. Snug cap with a big QB contract, and Dex's incoming deal means you can't keep 'em all.
this is a pretty simple case where they could have kept 1 between him and slayton.
week 1 around the same time they were about to cut slayton if he didnt take a paycut they were sowing on love's captain badge. at the bye they were again trying to extend love, not slayton. both players were prior regime so something appears to have short circuited since November.
Yep, and Love was ready to leave.
There seems to be a lot of Golden Domer Homerism here
They have also shown interest in safety Brown from Penn State
Not sure I'm sold on Belton, no top end speed or quickness to speak of and missed his share of tackles...for a rookie. Does seem they like Pinnock; maybe Love wasn't getting the vibes he thought he should from Wink
The Giants WRs completely sucked last year, so they re-signed two of them.
The Giants defense was really good last year, so they let a starting safety and team captain go.
It just seems really weird to me.
The defenae was pretty bad last year, and if the WR's sucked, the offense was still better than the defense. To be completely fair, injuries had a major impact on both sides of the ball.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
Love said something about how you choose where you go to college but with the NFL draft, you don't get to choose where you play as a pro, and this was his chance to choose. I don't know why he chose Seattle over the Giants, whether it was money or lifestyle or family, or a promise he'd be used in a way he prefers, but he didn't sound like a guy thinking "I'm so lucky. I landed in the perfect place for me." Not surprised he's leaving. Nice player. Wish him every success. Makes safety/DB more of a priority in free agency and/or draft.
RE: RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
Love said something about how you choose where you go to college but with the NFL draft, you don't get to choose where you play as a pro, and this was his chance to choose. I don't know why he chose Seattle over the Giants, whether it was money or lifestyle or family, or a promise he'd be used in a way he prefers, but he didn't sound like a guy thinking "I'm so lucky. I landed in the perfect place for me." Not surprised he's leaving. Nice player. Wish him every success. Makes safety/DB more of a priority in free agency and/or draft.
Well, if he likes rain,it’s a perfect place for him…:)
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
We basically keep our underwhelming WRs and let a good player walk at a very reasonable price. Smart tough dependable is Love. Very solid player and at $6mil a year it’s a no brainer. I’m really not liking this off-season so far. Way too many injury gambles.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
RE: RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
the first half of the season. He was key to building the foundation to grab a playoff spot. And he sounds like a terrific team guy. But good for him for getting a nice contract and opportunity.
Fortunately, safety is a very fungible position and Schoen will likely find a replacement solution.
was a fourth round pick who elevated himself to a team captain. He led the team in tackles by a wide margin, both total and solo. Third in the NFL among safeties in tackles.
He deserves a ton more respect for his accomplishments here than some want to acknowledge, even if letting him go may have been the right decision.
I appreciate the player and what he did here.
I also understand you can't keep everyone, and if you have inhouse candidates that you have confidence in, that the Giants seem to have, that are more cost-effective, then as a business sometimes you have to let good players get away.
Doesn't take away from the quality of player and person he was as a NY Giant. Best wishes to Love in Seattle (until he plays the Giants again).
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
Why keep Slayton over Love? Makes little sense. Especially after we signed Campbell.
Unless Love just wanted out which is a real possibility. But Julian Love bled Giants blue as much as anybody on this team the last several years. Can't believe the locker room feels good about losing him. For those proselytizing that "culture matters", this is a real head scratcher.
The "two steps forward one step back" shuffle continues...
RE: RE: RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare
Well I thought Love was going to get 10M/yr, so that's a lot of wiggle room from what he signed for. I think it safe to say no matter what the "details" are I will still believe they should have brought him back over Slayton.
This is bad. Put the Kool-Aid spin on it all you want, but this made the NY Giants less talented while spending more money. And over peanuts. No we are not making him out to be Ed Reed...he signed for 12M/2 why would anyone even bring up Reed, ridiculous. Love was exactly what they say they are looking for...smart, tough, dependable. AND CHEAP!!! Positional value, BS, shopping hungry is what it is, exactly what they said they weren't going to do. Dumb.
Oh Love didn't want to be here, it's not our fault. BS again. Better hope that's not true or they have bigger problems brewing...why would a player not want to play for them??? Red flag.
So, just like the last GM they say one thing and do another. Nothing has changed except this one is a better public speaker.
Drink the Kool-Aid, be positive, that's great, but don't talk to people like they are idiots because they can call it like they see it. I hope it all works out. But this is not a day to celebrate anything. They got less talented today, period.
1. Sloppy tackle attempt on Dallas Goedert in Playoffs.
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
can't believe the Giants wouldn't have paid him what he got from Seattle. It sounds like he didn't want to be in the New York area. My guess is that he wasn't unhappy with the Giants just the area, for whatever reason or reasons.
I doubt he had a burning desire to go to Seattle. He signed with them because they were the first team to show serious interest in him. My guess is he would have signed the same deal with almost any other team.
This wasn't about the Giants. It was about the NYC area. It isn't for everyone.
Not great but very good. Consistent. A team leader and fan favorite. Now who do you keep or let go of Slayton was just ok?? I would have gone with Love. I agree this offseason is not looking very promising. I thought a team is supposed to be bringing in better talent, not losing it?? Giants definitely don’t need to be losing the little talent they have?? A lot of gambles here imo. Smh..
Art Stapleton
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Julian Love will be missed, certainly in the locker room and very likely on the field. Witnessed his development from day he walked in the building.
I'm told Giants made strong push to sign Love before negotiating period began, and when no deal was reached, they moved on.
Art Stapleton
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Projections for Love’s value were all over the map heading into free agency. It’s been a tough market for safeties. Love is a quality player and person who will be missed on the field and in the locker room. Feels like a big opportunity for Jason Pinnock now
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.
a buddy of mine from socal trains some with burgess ( he is a qb coach) off season stuff
team captain, green dot, iron horse, special teams stud, Swiss Army knife, smart, tough, dependable, always in the right place - at least he’s out of the division
I think he'd be easier to replace than Love. How many receivers in the league are as good as Slayton vs. how many safeties in the league as good as Love?
RE: Wish we could have kept him. Much as I root for Slayton to excel,
I think he'd be easier to replace than Love. How many receivers in the league are as good as Slayton vs. how many safeties in the league as good as Love?
Fair point though it could be countered with a speed argument - something Love doesn't really have. Either way it sounded like he had made up his mind to not come back here. Nothing the giants could really do about that except to overpay him.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
Aha Ok - and maybe another attraction is Seattle’s DB “Legion of Boom” aura
Love and Slayton because of the KG dead cap. If KG isn't a dud we let Slayton walk and sign Love. But because that albatross of a contract you could only have three of these four:
- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke
I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.
I don't think it mattered what Schoen did in negotiations. Good luck to him.
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Not sure Love wanted to move on. I think he really enjoyed his time in NY so maybe he a personal reason to go to the west coast.
Didn’t he spill the beans about replacing the turf? Maybe Mara/Schoen wanted to get rid of him. Loose lips.
Love and Slayton because of the KG dead cap. If KG isn't a dud we let Slayton walk and sign Love. But because that albatross of a contract you could only have three of these four:
- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke
I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.
Love left for less money, he wanted a fresh start.
The comments that the Giants picked Slayton over Love are just stupid.
and cannot be compared. If we sign someone else next week, then is the decision that other player over Love? Was the decision to pay Jones instead of Love.
Just ridiculous comments. Plus, nobody knows what our own evaluation of the guy was post season or whether they felt he was a good fit.
When they decide to pay another safety while letting go Love, then okay.
On the surface it makes no sense considering he was a plus player to the naked eye. Really good fundamental player and might have been the best tackler on the team. He seems like such a good kid and also fits the STD model. He did give up a few too many big plays but I think that is true of some top players in the league.
I’m guessing that his lack of speed and high end athleticism are the reason they let him go for that money. Maybe they just want to upgrade the physical talent in the secondary… they probably have a plan and time will tell.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
Love apparently misread his/Safety positional value on the market
And when the he did not take the offer the giants made before FA period began, they simply moved on. I dont fault the Giants for that frankly as now there are many S options available in his range but likely for less $$. Kind of happening on the RB side of the market as well. We are hearing that Love settled for less than the Giants offered before FA period opened. Look, no one wants to lose a team captain and good player. He was a good Giant by all measures last year. But we have depth already there and can add more inexpensively. Plus we may benefit on the future draft compensation side from his signing by offsetting one of our own FA grabs. Not losing any sleep on this one.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
They offered him more than he signed for in Seattle. He rejected it. You’d know that if you had read the thread. Not everything is as black and white as you’re pretending it is. In fact, almost nothing is….
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Did you miss the part where it said we offered him more than what Seattle gave him ?
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
team captain, green dot, iron horse, special teams stud, Swiss Army knife, smart, tough, dependable, always in the right place - at least he’s out of the division
Dude, it's not that bad, he was a good player, not a great player. Relax!
1. Sloppy tackle attempt on Dallas Goedert in Playoffs.
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
Nice list. That was probably every miss he made in the entire year which is a lot less than anyone else on defense. Guy was the most reliable tackler on the team. Period. End of story.
No he wasn't a super star. But reliable, healthy and smart.
I figured they had to save money somewhere and he was low man on the totem pole. Yes, safety is a fairly easy position to replace.
Pinnock and Belton are now on the clock.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
Love was a very versatile leader on and off the field. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed about keeping Slayton for the same money as Love received from Seattle.
Jason Pinnock did show plenty of skills though and they must've felt confident enough in him and Belton to allow Love to walk. I expect a safety to be added in the draft as well.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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2h
Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
i heard on an interview that a no tax state was important to him along with cost of living
The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
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New York, it’s been an unforgettable 4 years. Being a part of this Giants community has been a dream and I’m so grateful to everyone who made NY home.
To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
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New York, it’s been an unforgettable 4 years. Being a part of this Giants community has been a dream and I’m so grateful to everyone who made NY home.
To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
He's a classy dude.
I can definitely see him being a coach when his playing career is over.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
If we did offer more and he chose to leave then it becomes personal so Screw you Love. Enjoy the rain everyday. Bye!!!!
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Can someone ban this fucking idiot? Personal attacks now? You were WRONG!
The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
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The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
No shit it was stupid. You know what else is stupid, your post. Do you think one dumb thing speaks for the entire city. Seattle is indeed a fun city.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
you know this,how?
because after a full training camp they made love a captain and almost got rid of slayton?
then during the bye week they tried to extend love but not slayton.
and if we just want to look at production, love played 150 more snaps than anyone on defense, another 200 snaps on ST, led the defense in tackles, wore the green dot, and filled in admirably all over when other guys were out. all in love played almost 2x as many snaps as slayton so him leaving creates a bigger hole (imo). A lot of Slayton's 70 targets were probably already easily re-routed to waller/hodgins/campbell and he doesn't play specials.
even their relative contracts imply the market thinks love is the better player because he got paid same as slayton except at a lower value position where there was a glut of players available compared to wr which is now the 2nd most expensive position and had a very thin fa market.
clearly there was some kind of disconnect between the 2 sides with the nyg making multiple approaches but then ultimately disengaging once he hit the open market, but the final outcome is what it is. the nyg lost a 24 year old captain and core defensive player from last year for a reasonable price. that's an L regardless of the position value. love is a lesser talented player but this is somewhat reminiscent of letting linval joseph walk bc dt wasn't a premium position and he was just a good not great player. which would have been a mistake even if he went to minnesota and didnt continue improving bc forgetting how he performed the nyg had a lot of trouble finding a competent replacement.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
taylor rapp is another good player. he's taken visits to ne and cin (nyg havent been one of them) and by resume he's more accomplished than love, so i assume he'll get a similar contract. like love he's entering his age 25 season.
cgj and byard are both about to be out there as well so there are options.
Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
correct, they prioritized love as recently as 6 days ago per the rumors your citing valued him even more than they paid slayton, yet ultimately ended up paying a guy they didnt prioritize the same thing love got. you think that's a win?
if you believe the rumors that love turned down more ahead of UFA, the same rumors say once FA opened they disengaged with love. is it possible that was a mistake and at the price he ended up getting they actually would have brought him back? isnt it actually implied in the rumors your citing that if they offered him more money they surely would have been thrilled to have him back at less $?
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
Game over man, there's no replacement for Love out there.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
I figure one or two years (with the usual void option if it's two), lol), because I'm guessing the Giants will draft another Safety again this year.
Washington state has no income tax. There is sales tax.
No state income tax is a big deal for a lot of people. Only 5 states don’t have sales tax and Washington isn’t one.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
depending on how bonus is structured and where love's full time residence is, the difference in net income is likely under 500k. half of the games he plays in aren't in washington and seattle plays in a division with 2 CA teams. the nfl season is short enough with enough travel for his primary residence to be anywhere he wants and if he gets paid signing or roster bonuses i believe it would be taxed at that rate.
bottom line the numbers in his deal are small enough that if the nyg wanted to it's unlikely that washington state taxes were the difference here. it's certainly not why they disengaged with him once FA opened. it seems like both sides went in different directions which is just odd given everything we heard for the last year. it seemed like if that was going to happen a much great $ difference was going to be why.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
Seems the Giants liked Love, and made him a serious offer.
If his deal turns out to be near what Marcus Epps got (2/12M 7.7M guaranteed), with a 4.7M cap hit in 2023, the Giants could have easily made that work.
Sometimes a guy prefers to go elsewhere.
In addition to taxes, keeping a residence in New Jersey is expensive. Especially if it's not your jam and you live somewhere else in the off season.
If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
weird strawman, nowhere did i say "they aren't allowed to replace love", in fact my entire point is there is a lot they need to replace with him leaving, like 700+ more snaps in a variety of different roles more than they would have to had to replace if slayton left.
as ive said in prior comments i would be all over taylor rapp if they have the $ and if not him then jaquan johnson. i would not pretend dane belton and jason pinnock can just step in and do what love did cheaper as others said.
Giants must have their eye on a safety high in the draft
Yeah he played hard. Good for him to get paid.
Whatever it is he's getting
It will be interesting to see how much he got.
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
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I liked what he did for us. wish him the best. Interested in what the hawks paid.
Yeah he played hard. Good for him to get paid.
Whatever it is he's getting
that last eagles game left a bad taste in my mouth...he seemed like he gave up that game.
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I liked what he did for us. wish him the best. Interested in what the hawks paid.
Yeah he played hard. Good for him to get paid.
Whatever it is he's getting
that last eagles game left a bad taste in my mouth...he seemed like he gave up that game.
He had two whiffs vs the Eagles lol same player right? Smith?
If he were resigned by NYG it would have provided credibility that they overvalue their own guys.
more likely hedging/replacing him since he's coming back off a major surgery. diggs plays more deep for them, adams and love both play in the box more.
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
I agree but McK will need to redone only so much money and yes his money could have been the Slayton deal, however WR is a greater need and helping Jones continue his growth with some consistency is vital. Not to mention we have young viable cost effective options on the roster already and a good draft for safeties potentially.
Appreciate his time here and wish him well.
This is where the GM and coach earn the big bucks -- in a vacuum, you could argue Love is more valuable than Slayton, but the Giants' WR room is still loaded with question marks, while at S you have McKinney, a promising guy in Belton the new regime has invested in, Pinnock and possibly more on the way. Time will tell if it was the right move.
(And try to forget the Eagles games.)
Love>>>>>>Slayton in my opinion
On it's face, kinda yeah. Money's not outrageous.
love is not an irreplaceable player but for a pretty unsubstantial amount of money they created a big hole to fill. quite literally 1k snaps, a C, and someone smart enough in the system to call plays and get the defense lined up.
jaquan johnson is an under the radar player id love to see them sign.
That's a really good deal for Seattle and I hope Love has success there.
I’m genuinely curious if the Giants would have matched that, or if he just wanted to change the view
That hurts, I would have paid that
Need to go for a walk or something. This is some serious BS.
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good, smart, productive player.
I’m genuinely curious if the Giants would have matched that, or if he just wanted to change the view
I'm surprised Raiders didn't take a look - Love seemed a little torn on Graham leaving as DC. Not surprised he left and not surprised Giants didn't really "fight" to keep him.
When McKinney went out, offenses seemed to hone in on him in coverage frequently in 2nd half of season and in critical downs (both Washington and Philly games).
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
I hear what you are saying and I don’t disagree with your point either.
+1. On all points… if the $$$ were the same I’d have kept Love.
This is the modern NFL.
The way I look at it, they opted to get younger/cheaper at safety with 2 in-house options that they like. They used the savings to fill a massive hole at LB- with Okereke, who I feel is a better player at LB than Love is at Safety.
A slight downgrade at S for a huge upgrade at LB. And by the end of the season, Belton/Pinnock may offer more than Love did, at least on the field - both are better athletes and offer better size.
Details might help shed light, but my quick response would have been to agree to a deal with Love at this level. Doesn't do anything really well but contributes across the board.
Not a positive move here.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
I agree, this is strange to me.
I guess Wink was ok losing Love.
I wonder what Giants offer was to him during bye week.
Less than 6mil/yr?
I just can't imagine they didn't want Love back. He seems like everything the Giants want in players.
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
2 for 12 is not unreasonable and I'm sure we could have resigned him and he would be back if he wanted to be in NY
The fact that Seattle was the first team to show interest and then he just signs leads me to believe he wanted to play there.
I dont think this is on the FO. Its just what Love wanted
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
https://twitter.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1636784908763791392?s=20
However he was not a good free safety which is his main position.
I think this spot will be addressed in the draft.
I have to trust JS if he was in their plans he would have made the deal.
I think they want a guy who covers more ground than Love.
As far as the the slayton vs love debate; slayton is good at the role they need him to do. Love is a great backup for a couple of positions but I don’t think he is ideal starter for Free safety. Do I wish there was money there to keep him, yes, but I’m not the one looking at the books or have the blueprints
Love is the better player
No offense, Sy, but I'd prefer a guy who wore one hat really well.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
well if you believe Pat Leonard, the Giants offered him more money. It is obvious, he did not want to be here.
Free Agency is a 2 way street.
IMO if you don't want to be here. Bye Bye
link to that source? if he turned down more money then obviously that's his choice and there's nothing the nyg can do about that.
https://twitter.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1636784908763791392?s=20
that sounds more like speculation "believe giants offered more out of the gate" than reporting.
maybe the giants offered more in november and he turned that down hoping the market was better than it turned out to be, but id be surprised if the nyg had a 14m offer on the table and he chose 12m bc seattle said nice things to him. not impossible but seems unlikely.
I really hope this is sarcasm
2 for 12 is not unreasonable and I'm sure we could have resigned him and he would be back if he wanted to be in NY
The fact that Seattle was the first team to show interest and then he just signs leads me to believe he wanted to play there.
I dont think this is on the FO. Its just what Love wanted
He had an apparent major desire for a no State tax state…at least that was the face comment.
I think once the mid season negotiations failed his agent was shopping him; when the S market stalled opening day, he saw 10M wasn’t happening, but that he’d better sign before he was playing for 1.5 M as possibly the last S to sign.
He got his no tax State, a young team even younger if they use all 4 picks in the top 52, and did the Giants a favor as a point of comparison with the remaking FA Ss.
If it was that important to the Giants, we could have met this price. We chose not to. He loved Wink so I’m not buying this change of scenery thing..
I guess it depends on how much he made….
I enjoyed his energy and play
We like the player, it’s disappointing. That’s about it.
this is a pretty simple case where they could have kept 1 between him and slayton.
week 1 around the same time they were about to cut slayton if he didnt take a paycut they were sowing on love's captain badge. at the bye they were again trying to extend love, not slayton. both players were prior regime so something appears to have short circuited since November.
He never got close to Love's 124 tackles. I guess Reed just stood there in the middle of the field spinning around in circles or something.
The linebacker BobbyO we added alone is enough for me to lose love if that was the choice I had to make, and it would a very easy choice for me
I like Love, wish him the best. But I’m not worried about playing against him so I’m not going to shed any tears over this, it’s just how it goes sometimes, he is a nice to have and not a must have player.
This also could be as simple as slayton decided to stay and he did not.
I wish him all the best.
The Giants WRs completely sucked last year, so they re-signed two of them.
The Giants defense was really good last year, so they let a starting safety and team captain go.
It just seems really weird to me.
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and Love was prior regime, to boot. They could've just identified they wanted a SS with different skillset, rookie scale contract, etc. Snug cap with a big QB contract, and Dex's incoming deal means you can't keep 'em all.
this is a pretty simple case where they could have kept 1 between him and slayton.
week 1 around the same time they were about to cut slayton if he didnt take a paycut they were sowing on love's captain badge. at the bye they were again trying to extend love, not slayton. both players were prior regime so something appears to have short circuited since November.
Yep, and Love was ready to leave.
The Giants WRs completely sucked last year, so they re-signed two of them.
The Giants defense was really good last year, so they let a starting safety and team captain go.
It just seems really weird to me.
Weird? What are the guarantees? It’s all about the guarantees
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Guys are acting like we just lost ed reed.
He never got close to Love's 124 tackles. I guess Reed just stood there in the middle of the field spinning around in circles or something.
Having a safety with that many tackles is an indictment of how lousy the ILBs were, not an indication of how good Love was.
Seriously? Wow.
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than any of our other players we signed. And yeesh OBJ is waiting in the wings.
Seriously? Wow.
sadly yes he’s serious
Not sure I'm sold on Belton, no top end speed or quickness to speak of and missed his share of tackles...for a rookie. Does seem they like Pinnock; maybe Love wasn't getting the vibes he thought he should from Wink
The Giants WRs completely sucked last year, so they re-signed two of them.
The Giants defense was really good last year, so they let a starting safety and team captain go.
It just seems really weird to me.
The defenae was pretty bad last year, and if the WR's sucked, the offense was still better than the defense. To be completely fair, injuries had a major impact on both sides of the ball.
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
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Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
Love said something about how you choose where you go to college but with the NFL draft, you don't get to choose where you play as a pro, and this was his chance to choose. I don't know why he chose Seattle over the Giants, whether it was money or lifestyle or family, or a promise he'd be used in a way he prefers, but he didn't sound like a guy thinking "I'm so lucky. I landed in the perfect place for me." Not surprised he's leaving. Nice player. Wish him every success. Makes safety/DB more of a priority in free agency and/or draft.
Well, if he likes rain,it’s a perfect place for him…:)
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
Agree 100%
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
I agree
If I were to have option of keeping either Slayton or Love, it's easy, Slayton is more important to the team right now.
Fortunately, safety is a very fungible position and Schoen will likely find a replacement solution.
He deserves a ton more respect for his accomplishments here than some want to acknowledge, even if letting him go may have been the right decision.
I appreciate the player and what he did here.
I also understand you can't keep everyone, and if you have inhouse candidates that you have confidence in, that the Giants seem to have, that are more cost-effective, then as a business sometimes you have to let good players get away.
Doesn't take away from the quality of player and person he was as a NY Giant. Best wishes to Love in Seattle (until he plays the Giants again).
Go back to lurking I guess then
Unless Love just wanted out which is a real possibility. But Julian Love bled Giants blue as much as anybody on this team the last several years. Can't believe the locker room feels good about losing him. For those proselytizing that "culture matters", this is a real head scratcher.
The "two steps forward one step back" shuffle continues...
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.
first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.
love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.
love > slayton.
We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare
Well I thought Love was going to get 10M/yr, so that's a lot of wiggle room from what he signed for. I think it safe to say no matter what the "details" are I will still believe they should have brought him back over Slayton.
This is bad. Put the Kool-Aid spin on it all you want, but this made the NY Giants less talented while spending more money. And over peanuts. No we are not making him out to be Ed Reed...he signed for 12M/2 why would anyone even bring up Reed, ridiculous. Love was exactly what they say they are looking for...smart, tough, dependable. AND CHEAP!!! Positional value, BS, shopping hungry is what it is, exactly what they said they weren't going to do. Dumb.
Oh Love didn't want to be here, it's not our fault. BS again. Better hope that's not true or they have bigger problems brewing...why would a player not want to play for them??? Red flag.
So, just like the last GM they say one thing and do another. Nothing has changed except this one is a better public speaker.
Drink the Kool-Aid, be positive, that's great, but don't talk to people like they are idiots because they can call it like they see it. I hope it all works out. But this is not a day to celebrate anything. They got less talented today, period.
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
I doubt he had a burning desire to go to Seattle. He signed with them because they were the first team to show serious interest in him. My guess is he would have signed the same deal with almost any other team.
This wasn't about the Giants. It was about the NYC area. It isn't for everyone.
I liked him but he is a replaceable guy, especially with X contract coming up
belton, pinnock, waiver pick up or rookie will compete
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Julian Love will be missed, certainly in the locker room and very likely on the field. Witnessed his development from day he walked in the building.
I'm told Giants made strong push to sign Love before negotiating period began, and when no deal was reached, they moved on.
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.
Draft, obviously, also an option.
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
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Projections for Love’s value were all over the map heading into free agency. It’s been a tough market for safeties. Love is a quality player and person who will be missed on the field and in the locker room. Feels like a big opportunity for Jason Pinnock now
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
And there you have it
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.
a buddy of mine from socal trains some with burgess ( he is a qb coach) off season stuff
Draft, obviously, also an option.
(even if I know he is good and I wish he had stayed)
Fair point though it could be countered with a speed argument - something Love doesn't really have. Either way it sounded like he had made up his mind to not come back here. Nothing the giants could really do about that except to overpay him.
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
Aha Ok - and maybe another attraction is Seattle’s DB “Legion of Boom” aura
- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke
I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.
Totally agree. But, it's more about me being unhappy about overpaying Slayton then not signing Love.
If they really like Pinnock and Belton, then I can understand not wanting to spend this money.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
Not sure Love wanted to move on. I think he really enjoyed his time in NY so maybe he a personal reason to go to the west coast.
Didn’t he spill the beans about replacing the turf? Maybe Mara/Schoen wanted to get rid of him. Loose lips.
- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke
I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.
Love left for less money, he wanted a fresh start.
Just ridiculous comments. Plus, nobody knows what our own evaluation of the guy was post season or whether they felt he was a good fit.
When they decide to pay another safety while letting go Love, then okay.
I’m guessing that his lack of speed and high end athleticism are the reason they let him go for that money. Maybe they just want to upgrade the physical talent in the secondary… they probably have a plan and time will tell.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
They offered him more than he signed for in Seattle. He rejected it. You’d know that if you had read the thread. Not everything is as black and white as you’re pretending it is. In fact, almost nothing is….
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Did you miss the part where it said we offered him more than what Seattle gave him ?
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Now with Belton and Pinnock plus with someone they may get in the free agency or the draft.
Dude, it's not that bad, he was a good player, not a great player. Relax!
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
Nice list. That was probably every miss he made in the entire year which is a lot less than anyone else on defense. Guy was the most reliable tackler on the team. Period. End of story.
No he wasn't a super star. But reliable, healthy and smart.
I figured they had to save money somewhere and he was low man on the totem pole. Yes, safety is a fairly easy position to replace.
Pinnock and Belton are now on the clock.
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Dude, get a grip
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
Jason Pinnock did show plenty of skills though and they must've felt confident enough in him and Belton to allow Love to walk. I expect a safety to be added in the draft as well.
Also, for those bitching about Darius' contract in relation to this...look @ the finer details of Darius' deal.
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
This is also possible. It's possible he took less from Seattle because he wanted to leave the NY area. But it's also possible as you say that he rejected the Giants' initial offers because he wanted to test his value in FA. The problem is that the Giants couldn't wait for him and allocated the money they would have given to him to other FAs, including their own. If they had not, they likely would have missed out on those players. And after signing those players, the Giants couldn't pay him their original offer.
i heard on an interview that a no tax state was important to him along with cost of living
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
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To the Mara family, my coaches, and all of the incredible staff- Thank you for everything, you made it a privilege to come into work each day. To my teammates- Thank you for all of the good times. Playing alongside you guys has been one of the highlights of my life. And to the fans- thanks for always bringing that NY energy. I will carry this experience with me forever. Love y’all always ❤️✌🏾
He's a classy dude.
I can definitely see him being a coach when his playing career is over.
I wish him the best in Seattle.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
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Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
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Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.
Go back to lurking I guess then
that's some dick shit.
That’s some hilarious shit
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
Schoen reportedly offered more money. What else could he do? Love clearly didn't want to be here. We'll miss him, but I want guys that want to be here.
If we did offer more and he chose to leave then it becomes personal so Screw you Love. Enjoy the rain everyday. Bye!!!!
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?
The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
Can someone ban this fucking idiot? Personal attacks now? You were WRONG!
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
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but here's a really simple checklist.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
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The Seattle metro area is a great place to live. I know numerous people who live there & all rave about it, though I don't know if I could do with all the rain.
Whatever. Wish Julian well.
Yea, CHAZ was a huge fucking success... LMAO!
No shit it was stupid. You know what else is stupid, your post. Do you think one dumb thing speaks for the entire city. Seattle is indeed a fun city.
Probably to a situation where you are a bigger piece of the puzzle, not fending off Belton.
What’s Love got to do with it?
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but here's a really simple checklist.
out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:
smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?
Love, and it's not close.
you know this,how?
because after a full training camp they made love a captain and almost got rid of slayton?
then during the bye week they tried to extend love but not slayton.
and if we just want to look at production, love played 150 more snaps than anyone on defense, another 200 snaps on ST, led the defense in tackles, wore the green dot, and filled in admirably all over when other guys were out. all in love played almost 2x as many snaps as slayton so him leaving creates a bigger hole (imo). A lot of Slayton's 70 targets were probably already easily re-routed to waller/hodgins/campbell and he doesn't play specials.
even their relative contracts imply the market thinks love is the better player because he got paid same as slayton except at a lower value position where there was a glut of players available compared to wr which is now the 2nd most expensive position and had a very thin fa market.
clearly there was some kind of disconnect between the 2 sides with the nyg making multiple approaches but then ultimately disengaging once he hit the open market, but the final outcome is what it is. the nyg lost a 24 year old captain and core defensive player from last year for a reasonable price. that's an L regardless of the position value. love is a lesser talented player but this is somewhat reminiscent of letting linval joseph walk bc dt wasn't a premium position and he was just a good not great player. which would have been a mistake even if he went to minnesota and didnt continue improving bc forgetting how he performed the nyg had a lot of trouble finding a competent replacement.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
taylor rapp is another good player. he's taken visits to ne and cin (nyg havent been one of them) and by resume he's more accomplished than love, so i assume he'll get a similar contract. like love he's entering his age 25 season.
cgj and byard are both about to be out there as well so there are options.
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Are overrating the loss of Love. Solid player but replaceable at a lower cost.
which player for 6m or less aav is available to the nyg with the capability of becoming a captain, wearing green dot, and leading the entire team in snaps next year? im not saying that's impossible but doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? you would think the only way to count on doing that in the draft is by taking someone significantly higher than belton since was certainly not capable of any of that last year.
chuck clark got traded to jets for a 7th round pick right before UFA and he's 1 who could and he's at a 4m cap # thanks to baltimore eating some dead money. if the nyg were disengaging with love im not sure why they didnt do that deal.
maybe they are planning to surprise everyone and make a run at cgj or byard or something but otherwise they opened up a pretty big hole to fill on defense.
You need to catch your breath. 6M or less means absolutely nothing to this scenario. Reports are that they offered him more and he turned it down. You can huff and puff and blow the house down if you want but it is obvious that Love was just ready to move on. It takes two to tango. And you are also seriously overvaluing the safety position. You point out the affordable contracts that Love and Clark have. Why do you think that is?
Love was a great guy, teammate and versatile piece to have in the team. But the angst that some on here are displaying is way over the top, imo. Giants fans are infatuated with nice guys and hard workers so we have a tendency to overrate these types. Love is good. But replaceable.
if you can spare some of your enviable o2 supply can you explain how it's "over the top" to say love would have been a better player to retain then slayton? they got literally the same $ within 24 hours of each other.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
It’s a waste of time to say Love over Slayton. They have nothing to do with each other. Love was obviously their priority as they were trying to get him signed long before they dealt with Slayton. They offered Love more money than Seattle did. HE DECLINED. Love not signing has less than zero to do with Slayton. You guys are acting like they prioritized Slayton. That’s simply not true.
correct, they prioritized love as recently as 6 days ago per the rumors your citing valued him even more than they paid slayton, yet ultimately ended up paying a guy they didnt prioritize the same thing love got. you think that's a win?
if you believe the rumors that love turned down more ahead of UFA, the same rumors say once FA opened they disengaged with love. is it possible that was a mistake and at the price he ended up getting they actually would have brought him back? isnt it actually implied in the rumors your citing that if they offered him more money they surely would have been thrilled to have him back at less $?
Game over man, there's no replacement for Love out there.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
I figure one or two years (with the usual void option if it's two), lol), because I'm guessing the Giants will draft another Safety again this year.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
Washington is a great place to live. Quality of life counts too when you are making $6 mill/year.
depending on how bonus is structured and where love's full time residence is, the difference in net income is likely under 500k. half of the games he plays in aren't in washington and seattle plays in a division with 2 CA teams. the nfl season is short enough with enough travel for his primary residence to be anywhere he wants and if he gets paid signing or roster bonuses i believe it would be taxed at that rate.
bottom line the numbers in his deal are small enough that if the nyg wanted to it's unlikely that washington state taxes were the difference here. it's certainly not why they disengaged with him once FA opened. it seems like both sides went in different directions which is just odd given everything we heard for the last year. it seemed like if that was going to happen a much great $ difference was going to be why.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
If his deal turns out to be near what Marcus Epps got (2/12M 7.7M guaranteed), with a 4.7M cap hit in 2023, the Giants could have easily made that work.
Sometimes a guy prefers to go elsewhere.
In addition to taxes, keeping a residence in New Jersey is expensive. Especially if it's not your jam and you live somewhere else in the off season.
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If I was Joe Schoen, I'd make a call to Adrian Amos' agent. He's no kid, he's 29, but he fits the Smart, Tough, Dependable bill, and he can most likely be signed to a reasonable deal.
it looks like he had a down year last year but spotrac and pff still project contracts similar to loves, though id imagine he'l1 only get 1 year wherever he goes. im looking forward to when they add a safety and the narrative does a 180 back to 'big need filled!'.
So they aren’t allowed to replace Love now because you’re mad and can’t wait to see people say something about filling a need? Of course it’s a need and of course they will fill it. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Giants tried to sign him and he decided to sign elsewhere. What the hell else you want to hear? You’re being bizarrely obtuse with this entire thing. Stop acting like they didn’t try. They did. Shit happens in negotiations.
weird strawman, nowhere did i say "they aren't allowed to replace love", in fact my entire point is there is a lot they need to replace with him leaving, like 700+ more snaps in a variety of different roles more than they would have to had to replace if slayton left.
as ive said in prior comments i would be all over taylor rapp if they have the $ and if not him then jaquan johnson. i would not pretend dane belton and jason pinnock can just step in and do what love did cheaper as others said.