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Aaroninma : 3/17/2023 1:27 pm
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He was a handy guy to have on the team  
JerseyCityJoe : 3/17/2023 2:50 pm : link
Wish we could have kept him but such is life.
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too  
Four Aces : 3/17/2023 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16068544 Eric on Li said:
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.



first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.

love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.

love > slayton.


We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.
RE: RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too  
Big Blue '56 : 3/17/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16068737 Four Aces said:
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In comment 16068544 Eric on Li said:


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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.



first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.

love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.

love > slayton.



We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.


Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare
RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too  
Optimus-NY : 3/17/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16068544 Eric on Li said:
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.



first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.

love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.

love > slayton.


I agree
Love was a good player,  
RollBlue : 3/17/2023 3:03 pm : link
but people must be forgetting the easy interceptions he dropped that almost cost us games, and the whiff on Smith during the first Eagles game.

If I were to have option of keeping either Slayton or Love, it's easy, Slayton is more important to the team right now.
Love was one of the team MVPs...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2023 3:06 pm : link
the first half of the season. He was key to building the foundation to grab a playoff spot. And he sounds like a terrific team guy. But good for him for getting a nice contract and opportunity.

Fortunately, safety is a very fungible position and Schoen will likely find a replacement solution.
Love  
allstarjim : 3/17/2023 3:06 pm : link
was a fourth round pick who elevated himself to a team captain. He led the team in tackles by a wide margin, both total and solo. Third in the NFL among safeties in tackles.

He deserves a ton more respect for his accomplishments here than some want to acknowledge, even if letting him go may have been the right decision.

I appreciate the player and what he did here.

I also understand you can't keep everyone, and if you have inhouse candidates that you have confidence in, that the Giants seem to have, that are more cost-effective, then as a business sometimes you have to let good players get away.

Doesn't take away from the quality of player and person he was as a NY Giant. Best wishes to Love in Seattle (until he plays the Giants again).
Good player.  
mattlawson : 3/17/2023 3:06 pm : link
Not great. Let’s how are y way to get involved in the draft
RE: Terrible.  
mattlawson : 3/17/2023 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16068652 Shady Lurker said:
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Can't believe we let Love walk after giving that contract to Slayton. Will be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't like almost anything the front office has done this offseason.



Go back to lurking I guess then
Don't get this one...  
The Mike : 3/17/2023 3:11 pm : link
Why keep Slayton over Love? Makes little sense. Especially after we signed Campbell.

Unless Love just wanted out which is a real possibility. But Julian Love bled Giants blue as much as anybody on this team the last several years. Can't believe the locker room feels good about losing him. For those proselytizing that "culture matters", this is a real head scratcher.

The "two steps forward one step back" shuffle continues...
RE: RE: RE: hate this - it's literally the exact same contract slayton got too  
rasbutant : 3/17/2023 3:20 pm : link
In comment 16068739 Big Blue '56 said:
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Giants’ safety Julian Love reached agreement today on a two-year, $12 million deal with the Seattle Seahawks, per sources. Deal confirmed and negotiated by Drew Rosenhaus and Ryan Matha.



first thing i have a strong disagreement with the FO on.

love was a team captain and at the trade deadline he was 1 of 2 players they negotiated an extension with. slayton wasn't. this is a very reasonable deal. down the stretch slayton almost cost them the washington game and the wild card with drops. love played almost every snap on d and did so in a bunch of different positions wherever he was needed.

love > slayton.



We need to be mindful that Slayton’s deal is essentially a one deal. I would suspect Love’s deal is NOT similarly structured and may include incentives that push the value up further.



Exactly..Let’s see how they REALLY compare


Well I thought Love was going to get 10M/yr, so that's a lot of wiggle room from what he signed for. I think it safe to say no matter what the "details" are I will still believe they should have brought him back over Slayton.

This is bad. Put the Kool-Aid spin on it all you want, but this made the NY Giants less talented while spending more money. And over peanuts. No we are not making him out to be Ed Reed...he signed for 12M/2 why would anyone even bring up Reed, ridiculous. Love was exactly what they say they are looking for...smart, tough, dependable. AND CHEAP!!! Positional value, BS, shopping hungry is what it is, exactly what they said they weren't going to do. Dumb.

Oh Love didn't want to be here, it's not our fault. BS again. Better hope that's not true or they have bigger problems brewing...why would a player not want to play for them??? Red flag.

So, just like the last GM they say one thing and do another. Nothing has changed except this one is a better public speaker.

Drink the Kool-Aid, be positive, that's great, but don't talk to people like they are idiots because they can call it like they see it. I hope it all works out. But this is not a day to celebrate anything. They got less talented today, period.
Lurker- what would you  
Dave on the UWS : 3/17/2023 3:22 pm : link
have had the front office do instead of what they have done this off-season?
We all Loved Love , But:  
Piranah In NC : 3/17/2023 3:25 pm : link
1. Sloppy tackle attempt on Dallas Goedert in Playoffs.
2. Whiff on 4th down eagles touchdown Throw at home.
3. Whiff on Colts pass at the goal line last year.
4. Whiff on a tackle against the Chiefs in a prime time game 2 years ago that went for a touchdown.
5. I didn't Love Love's Comment referring to Eagles not needing to be coached.
6. Loved Loves Late game Int against The Ravens, But overall, "MEH".
No income tax in WA  
12aob : 3/17/2023 3:25 pm : link
So likely would taken more than $12 million to keep him a Giant
I  
AcidTest : 3/17/2023 3:26 pm : link
can't believe the Giants wouldn't have paid him what he got from Seattle. It sounds like he didn't want to be in the New York area. My guess is that he wasn't unhappy with the Giants just the area, for whatever reason or reasons.

I doubt he had a burning desire to go to Seattle. He signed with them because they were the first team to show serious interest in him. My guess is he would have signed the same deal with almost any other team.

This wasn't about the Giants. It was about the NYC area. It isn't for everyone.
Ugh this sucks, man he was a good plauyer  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/17/2023 3:29 pm : link
Unfortunate that Pinnock showed out while they had nothing at WR. They are literally plugging holes.
Love was a good player,  
prdave73 : 3/17/2023 3:30 pm : link
Not great but very good. Consistent. A team leader and fan favorite. Now who do you keep or let go of Slayton was just ok?? I would have gone with Love. I agree this offseason is not looking very promising. I thought a team is supposed to be bringing in better talent, not losing it?? Giants definitely don’t need to be losing the little talent they have?? A lot of gambles here imo. Smh..
Can we stop comparing his deal to Slayton please  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/17/2023 3:46 pm : link
Slaytons is in essence 1/$5.25M as reported
love was looking for no tax state and lower cost of living  
Payasdaddy : 3/17/2023 3:49 pm : link
seattle aint cheap but cheaper than NYC and jersey

I liked him but he is a replaceable guy, especially with X contract coming up
belton, pinnock, waiver pick up or rookie will compete
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2023 3:51 pm : link
Art Stapleton
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Julian Love will be missed, certainly in the locker room and very likely on the field. Witnessed his development from day he walked in the building.
I'm told Giants made strong push to sign Love before negotiating period began, and when no deal was reached, they moved on.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2023 3:57 pm : link
Art Stapleton
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.

Draft, obviously, also an option.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2023 3:58 pm : link
Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2023 3:58 pm : link
Dan Duggan
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Projections for Love’s value were all over the map heading into free agency. It’s been a tough market for safeties. Love is a quality player and person who will be missed on the field and in the locker room. Feels like a big opportunity for Jason Pinnock now
RE: ...  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/17/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16068826 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.


And there you have it
I was hopeful the Giants would resign him  
Beer Man : 3/17/2023 3:59 pm : link
but thought his price point might be too high for what JS is trying to accomplish.
RE: ...  
Payasdaddy : 3/17/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16068823 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton
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I expect the Giants to take advantage of the depressed safety market and add someone in free agency to go with in-house options Dane Belton, Jason Pinnock, Terrell Burgess and Trenton Thompson.

a buddy of mine from socal trains some with burgess ( he is a qb coach) off season stuff

Draft, obviously, also an option.
We're going to miss Julian Love..  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/17/2023 3:59 pm : link
He added so much leadership to the team, and I wish him all the best in Seattle.
I hope he enjoys his new 'low cost of living state'  
Dave : 3/17/2023 4:03 pm : link
good riddence to him

(even if I know he is good and I wish he had stayed)
dammit  
bluefin : 3/17/2023 4:14 pm : link
team captain, green dot, iron horse, special teams stud, Swiss Army knife, smart, tough, dependable, always in the right place - at least he’s out of the division
Wonder what his issue was?  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/17/2023 4:15 pm : link
Guess he just didn't like being in NY.
Wish we could have kept him. Much as I root for Slayton to excel,  
CT Charlie : 3/17/2023 4:20 pm : link
I think he'd be easier to replace than Love. How many receivers in the league are as good as Slayton vs. how many safeties in the league as good as Love?
RE: Wish we could have kept him. Much as I root for Slayton to excel,  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/17/2023 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16068849 CT Charlie said:
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I think he'd be easier to replace than Love. How many receivers in the league are as good as Slayton vs. how many safeties in the league as good as Love?


Fair point though it could be countered with a speed argument - something Love doesn't really have. Either way it sounded like he had made up his mind to not come back here. Nothing the giants could really do about that except to overpay him.
Nice  
BigBlueinDE : 3/17/2023 4:22 pm : link
player, but he's certainly replaceable.
If he wanted to move on from the Giants  
RCPhoenix : 3/17/2023 4:31 pm : link
I don't think it mattered what Schoen did in negotiations. Good luck to him.
RE: ...  
bluefin : 3/17/2023 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16068826 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.

Aha Ok - and maybe another attraction is Seattle’s DB “Legion of Boom” aura
We had to choose between  
thefan : 3/17/2023 4:45 pm : link
Love and Slayton because of the KG dead cap. If KG isn't a dud we let Slayton walk and sign Love. But because that albatross of a contract you could only have three of these four:

- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke

I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.
RE: They picked Slayton over Love  
islander1 : 3/17/2023 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16068573 rasbutant said:
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Scratching my head. WTF, Talk about shopping hungry. Well at least they have bodies in the WR room.


Totally agree. But, it's more about me being unhappy about overpaying Slayton then not signing Love.

If they really like Pinnock and Belton, then I can understand not wanting to spend this money.
RE: everyone compromises on their core beliefs at some point  
islander1 : 3/17/2023 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16068617 Eric on Li said:
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but here's a really simple checklist.

out of slayton and love, which player would we consider:

smarter,
tougher,
more dependable?


Love, and it's not close.
RE: If he wanted to move on from the Giants  
Ivan15 : 3/17/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16068861 RCPhoenix said:
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I don't think it mattered what Schoen did in negotiations. Good luck to him.
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Not sure Love wanted to move on. I think he really enjoyed his time in NY so maybe he a personal reason to go to the west coast.

Didn’t he spill the beans about replacing the turf? Maybe Mara/Schoen wanted to get rid of him. Loose lips.
RE: We had to choose between  
UConn4523 : 3/17/2023 5:16 pm : link
In comment 16068877 thefan said:
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Love and Slayton because of the KG dead cap. If KG isn't a dud we let Slayton walk and sign Love. But because that albatross of a contract you could only have three of these four:

- Slayton
- Love
- Waller
- Okereke

I wanted both Love and Slayton back. Shoen was put in a position to pick from that list and decided with 3 of those 4.


Love left for less money, he wanted a fresh start.
The comments that the Giants picked Slayton over Love are just stupid.  
DefenseWins : 3/17/2023 5:16 pm : link
and cannot be compared. If we sign someone else next week, then is the decision that other player over Love? Was the decision to pay Jones instead of Love.

Just ridiculous comments. Plus, nobody knows what our own evaluation of the guy was post season or whether they felt he was a good fit.

When they decide to pay another safety while letting go Love, then okay.
Love took less money because he wanted to leave  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/17/2023 5:17 pm : link
I’m not sure where the disconnect is?!?!?!
Love  
Cheech d : 3/17/2023 5:18 pm : link
On the surface it makes no sense considering he was a plus player to the naked eye. Really good fundamental player and might have been the best tackler on the team. He seems like such a good kid and also fits the STD model. He did give up a few too many big plays but I think that is true of some top players in the league.
I’m guessing that his lack of speed and high end athleticism are the reason they let him go for that money. Maybe they just want to upgrade the physical talent in the secondary… they probably have a plan and time will tell.
Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one  
The_Taxman89_10 : 3/17/2023 5:30 pm : link
To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.
RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one  
BigBlueShock : 3/17/2023 5:37 pm : link
In comment 16068919 The_Taxman89_10 said:
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.

You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?

The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant
RE: RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one  
The_Taxman89_10 : 3/17/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16068923 BigBlueShock said:
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.


You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?

The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant



You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.
RE: ...  
Strahan91 : 3/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
In comment 16068826 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
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Believe Giants offered more than this out of the gate. There was a persistent disconnect, though. And Love sought a new opportunity that embraced him.

I read this as Love and his agent misreading the market, not him preferring to go elsewhere for less money. His market didn't develop as anticipated and the Giants moved on and decided to allocate resources elsewhere. Happens all the time in FA.
Love apparently misread his/Safety positional value on the market  
KraZee : 3/17/2023 5:41 pm : link
And when the he did not take the offer the giants made before FA period began, they simply moved on. I dont fault the Giants for that frankly as now there are many S options available in his range but likely for less $$. Kind of happening on the RB side of the market as well. We are hearing that Love settled for less than the Giants offered before FA period opened. Look, no one wants to lose a team captain and good player. He was a good Giant by all measures last year. But we have depth already there and can add more inexpensively. Plus we may benefit on the future draft compensation side from his signing by offsetting one of our own FA grabs. Not losing any sleep on this one.
RE: RE: RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one  
BigBlueShock : 3/17/2023 5:44 pm : link
In comment 16068926 The_Taxman89_10 said:
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.


You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?

The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant




You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.

Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better
RE: RE: RE: RE: Absolute whiff by Schoen on this one  
The_Taxman89_10 : 3/17/2023 5:47 pm : link
In comment 16068930 BigBlueShock said:
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To lose a player like Love for that little money is a joke. I'm sorry. Total whiff by Schoen on this one. I could see if the deal was worth in the 18 to 20 mil range. Sure, that's too rich. But 2 years/12 mil? Give me a break. That's a great deal for a good starting safety and a team leader in their mid to late 20s. I would've much rather gave Slayton's 12 mil to Love and let Slayton walk. This has been a pretty good off-season but fans acting like this has been a homerun off-season are delusional.


You haven’t even bothered to read this thread before posting, right?

The answers are right there for you to see. It would have saved you from your incredibly misinformed rant




You're one of those fanboys who thinks Schoen can do no wrong. It's fine. Keep doing you.


Read the fucking thread before posting. Don’t try to turn this on me. You’re the one that clearly doesn’t understand the situation. It’s also not my fault that you’re simple. Be better


Go fuck yourself clown. "Read the thread". It's simple logic, guy. We lost out on a young good starting safety for a measely 2 years/12 mil and now have a gaping hole to fill. And here's a newsflash. Belton and Pinnock are downgrades. And if you can't see that, you need to be better.
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