As I thought about all these WRs we've signed, while none are a true WR1, so many of them have certain skillsets and roles they can play within an offense. Then their new TE is now their #1 option.
After KC lost Hill they had a bunch of guys that kind of filled different roles between Scantling, Schuster, Hardman, Toney with no true elite downfield threat.
I also think about that comment Schoen made about not absolutely needing to have an elite #1WR to win in the NFL.
What we did last year under Daboll/Kafka is play these guys in roles that maximize their skillset combined with some really good play design that would scheme these guys open both horizontally and vertically.
KC under Reid did a lot of similar things with their WRs as well.
Now our offense has an even more diverse running dynamic with Barkely and Daniel Jones which can open things up even more.
With all this said, I am definitely not satisfied with what we have at WR but with Waller, a full year of Hodgins, Slayton returning, and the Parris Campbell addition , it definitely is a step up from last year.
Would be great if we were able to bring in a WR1 or borderline WR1 like Hopkins, Jeudy, Pittman Jr, Aiyuk etc. However short of that this draft has some very high level seperators like JSN, Addison and Flowers. That was also what Schoen stressed in his press conference as one of the biggest traits they look for. If one drops to 25 great if not maybe a draft day trade for a vet at that point.
Now, nobody is going to say that Wan'Dale is going to be an asset in run blocking, but when Saquon gets to the second level, in space against a nickel corner, I like his chances whether an effective block is made or not.
Waller needs to stay healthy like he did in 2020 and 2021. But even last year around all the hamstring issues he still looked like he had plenty of explosion.
He is an incredible dynamic at TE when he is healthy and he doesn't have a ton of mileage on that body.
At minumum, I would imagine they are still going WR in the draft in round 1 or 2 or making a trade for a borderline WR1 or better.
But at least we are upgrading for 3rd string guys to wr3/4 types
Maybe we find ourselves a wr2 type in Draft. We need one more because wandale is probably second half of the season
Think cb, IOL and wr will be the main Draft priorities
If a top 5T DE like a van ness is there, may grab him too
Wouldn’t be shocked if we grab breese either.
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Hahaha. I took too long to type out an explanation for my post. But it doesn’t get any better than that Francesser rant.
They have the best QB by a lot lol
But at least we are upgrading for 3rd string guys to wr3/4 types
Maybe we find ourselves a wr2 type in Draft. We need one more because wandale is probably second half of the season
Think cb, IOL and wr will be the main Draft priorities
If a top 5T DE like a van ness is there, may grab him too
Wouldn’t be shocked if we grab breese either.
There are a number of guys in rd 1 and maybe even a couple in round 2 whose ceilings arguably project to a WR1 even as mainly slot guys with some outside flex.
Who cares, we have a hall of fame trainer!!! LOL
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They have a top 3 QB, and we have DJ
They have the best QB by a lot lol
Not sure about that. I’d put a few QB’s in that Andy Reid offense with the OL and system, and they’d do just as good
- DJ, like him or not, we're all hopeful
- Hodgins, ascending or that's it.
- Wandale, do we really know anything?
- Waller, 31 health?
- Campbell, is he 17 slots better than McLaurin?
- Shepherd, it's been a minute.
But, the talent in undeniable. We need a wholelotta guys to find and maintain their A game.
The Giants still need to add an A+ difference maker at WR,
That said, if DJ and 2 or 3 of the above play well, the Giants will remain in the mix for the division.
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They have a top 3 QB, and we have DJ
They have the best QB by a lot lol
Not sure about that. I’d put a few QB’s in that Andy Reid offense with the OL and system, and they’d do just as good
No they wouldn’t
- DJ, like him or not, we're all hopeful
- Hodgins, ascending or that's it.
- Wandale, do we really know anything?
- Waller, 31 health?
- Campbell, is he 17 slots better than McLaurin?
- Shepherd, it's been a minute.
But, the talent in undeniable. We need a wholelotta guys to find and maintain their A game.
The Giants still need to add an A+ difference maker at WR,
That said, if DJ and 2 or 3 of the above play well, the Giants will remain in the mix for the division.
Who cares where Campbell was drafted we didn’t even draft him it’s irrelevant
This...when you have the best player in the game at the most important position their on a different playing field
So .....'Batting order'
Right now:
WR1 - Hodgy
WR2 - Slayton
WR3 - Parris
WR4 - Shep
WR5 - Wandale
WR6 - Collin Johnson
WR7 - Jeff Smith
WR8- Washington
It could be argued each one of those guys is kind of one rung too high on the totem pole. Also many on the list are only on one or two year deals. If they got a true WR1 the picture would NOW look more complete. Ideally it's a draft pick they'd have 4-5 cost controlled years on.
I get Waller is almost like having a borderline WR1 but there is a lot of injury risk with him and much the rest of the current cast for that matter.
So draft wise if they go WR/CB round 1/2 with which ever is the better graded guy in round 1, they have a chance to end up with:
Rd 1: JSN, Addison, Johnston, Flowers, Hyatt
Rd 2: TYLER SCOTT, Josh Downs, Cedric Tillman, Jayden Reed, Michael Wilson
Lastly they could have a draft day trade lined up in case their top targets don't fall to them.
Let's not swing the pendulum too far the other direction section. It's true a unit or two are deficient or have some unproven players but there is high talent on this team in a number of premium spots too. QB, DL, LT, 1CB, 1S,RB,TE,ILB, K.
They didn't win 9.5 games last year solely on coaching and they upgraded talent moderately to significantly this off-season.
It's a little like saying Sizzlers Steakhouse has to follow the Ruth Chris model, without upgrading their meat.
But are the Chiefs the first team to have an elite TE as the #1 target? Hell, Kelce wasnt even the first one that they did this with.. Anyone remember a guy named Tony Gonzalez?
The Patriots with Gronk and Hernandez would like a word with you.. BTW Daboll was the TE coach of that team..
Also The Chargers with Kellen Winslow and then Antonio Gates would also like a word with you...
So its not like there hasnt been an offense that the TE was the #1 pass catching target.
I think the whole #1 WR thing is overrated. Schoen has said they are looking for "guys" that can separate. Plural... He also said there are different ways to create separation. Some guys do it with size, catch radius. Some do it with vertical speed, some do it with quickness, some do it with precise route running.
The Giants are well poised to be able to attack defenses vertically and horizontally. They have plenty of size between Waller, Bellinger, Cager, Collin Johnson if he is health and Hodgins. They have enough quickness to attack the middle of the field. Shep, Robinson, Campbell.
They will be fine
But are the Chiefs the first team to have an elite TE as the #1 target? Hell, Kelce wasnt even the first one that they did this with.. Anyone remember a guy named Tony Gonzalez?
The Patriots with Gronk and Hernandez would like a word with you.. BTW Daboll was the TE coach of that team..
Also The Chargers with Kellen Winslow and then Antonio Gates would also like a word with you...
So its not like there hasnt been an offense that the TE was the #1 pass catching target.
I think the whole #1 WR thing is overrated. Schoen has said they are looking for "guys" that can separate. Plural... He also said there are different ways to create separation. Some guys do it with size, catch radius. Some do it with vertical speed, some do it with quickness, some do it with precise route running.
The Giants are well poised to be able to attack defenses vertically and horizontally. They have plenty of size between Waller, Bellinger, Cager, Collin Johnson if he is health and Hodgins. They have enough quickness to attack the middle of the field. Shep, Robinson, Campbell.
They will be fine
Blue strong post. Agree with much you said. I do think though this WR group between high risk for injury and so many 1 to 2 year short term commitments really needs another high level addition to it. Ideally that would be a top 2 round player who they would have secured to a rookie contract for the next 4 to 5 years. At that point you can start to get a little more comfortable with what they have this year and beyond.
the other thing that goes along with that is improving the pass protection. We've yet to see what the plan is there but it's got to get better.
You pay x you don’t pay love. I liked love but he missed as many plays as he made
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...some nice pieces on offense. But, all of them seem to be, in the minds of many, in a show me season.
- DJ, like him or not, we're all hopeful
- Hodgins, ascending or that's it.
- Wandale, do we really know anything?
- Waller, 31 health?
- Campbell, is he 17 slots better than McLaurin?
- Shepherd, it's been a minute.
But, the talent in undeniable. We need a wholelotta guys to find and maintain their A game.
The Giants still need to add an A+ difference maker at WR,
That said, if DJ and 2 or 3 of the above play well, the Giants will remain in the mix for the division.
Who cares where Campbell was drafted we didn’t even draft him it’s irrelevant
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...some nice pieces on offense. But, all of them seem to be, in the minds of many, in a show me season.
- DJ, like him or not, we're all hopeful
- Hodgins, ascending or that's it.
- Wandale, do we really know anything?
- Waller, 31 health?
- Campbell, is he 17 slots better than McLaurin?
- Shepherd, it's been a minute.
But, the talent in undeniable. We need a wholelotta guys to find and maintain their A game.
The Giants still need to add an A+ difference maker at WR,
That said, if DJ and 2 or 3 of the above play well, the Giants will remain in the mix for the division.
Who cares where Campbell was drafted we didn’t even draft him it’s irrelevant
That's your takeaway?
...ok
Brown good analysis. Either WR or CB round 1. Or a surprise trade as there are guys that are available and the longer we wait the more the proce goes down. Of course we could pull a draft day trade if a guy doesn't drop to us.
This was all I was thinking of when I read the title lol
Now, nobody is going to say that Wan'Dale is going to be an asset in run blocking, but when Saquon gets to the second level, in space against a nickel corner, I like his chances whether an effective block is made or not.
+1.
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at the WR position, the realized or unrealized threat of getting beat deep is going to really help Saquon.
Now, nobody is going to say that Wan'Dale is going to be an asset in run blocking, but when Saquon gets to the second level, in space against a nickel corner, I like his chances whether an effective block is made or not.
+1.
Would be great if we get a really high ceiling WR to stabilize this rotation.
if WR is BPA at 25 then yeah, fine. But they are looking at IOL, CB, DE, EDGE at that spot as well. They can function in a pass offense now, with Waller as #1 and everyone else compliments him.
if WR is BPA at 25 then yeah, fine. But they are looking at IOL, CB, DE, EDGE at that spot as well. They can function in a pass offense now, with Waller as #1 and everyone else compliments him.
Dave I think this could go either way. While this year we are maybe adequate , what WR on this team right now do we have secured long term that has high potential to be anything approaching a WR1. Robinson? So many of our guys are signed to one year contracts or are injury prone or just aren't that great. Not much stability here.
This current situation at WR is crying out for a high draft pick and maybe even another later in the draft to have a player or two with 4 to 5 years of cost control that NYG actually believes could become a high level impact receiver.