#Rams DL A'Shawn Robinson, one of the top free agents available, is scheduled to visit the #Giants on Monday, source said. The veteran could beef up a NYG DL that already includes Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence, among others.
i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
Also, I recall Williams saying he's okay with restructuring his deal very recently and someone mistook it as him saying he was willing to take a pay cut? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Does Schoen just eat the 32M cap for Leo let him play on it. If he is good restructure next year and if not they move on?
next year he would be a UFA so if he's good they'd be lining up to pay a UFA price not unlike Hargrave/Philly this year.
the move is to extend him now if you like him or move on if you don't (ideally getting back some trade comp along the lines of the waller deal).
my guess is they will work out an extension because it sounded like williams already realized that was where things were going in his exit press conference but if not having quality depth like robinson and nunes-roches gives them options.
We are in serious need of another good DL. That would be a big step to getting the defensive front 7 the talent we need. A true rotational DL who can spell Leo, Dex and also be out there in 3 DL alignments.
Remember that Leonard Williams CAP cost is currently over $30 million. Think big picture on several fronts.
You bring in a guy like this to play with Leo and Dexter and the line play goes up for all 3. Last year we basically were playing with 2 guys. Can you imagine how tough defending Dexter will be with legitimate guys on both sides of him. Leo is not going anywhere. He will be restructured, Dexter will get an extension and Cap space will be created.
judging from his play, weight, and how he's used he's more of a run downs only type... which still leaves the inside pass-rusher position open outside of Leonard Williams.
As a pro, Robinson has been a bit of a tease. The player who showed up for the Super Bowl against a weak Bengals OL was the player Detroit thought they were getting in 2016. Medical issues have been a big part of the picture, but he's been up-and-down even when healthy. Bottom line, I think he could be a terrific addition as a rotational DL. The seven-year history suggests that counting on him for too much leads to disappointing results.
With Dex, Leo, A’Shawn and RNR heading into the season.
Plus Davidson looked like a solid rotational guy at times last year.
Giants inability to stop the run was more detrimental against Dallas and Philly than their lack of receiving options was. Okereke, RNR and A’Shawn would go a long way towards solving that.
I am a bit worried about CB. Figuring it’s high on their list in the draft - and have a feeling they like Ringo.
i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
If he's one of the top FAs available, why are these numbers so 'low'? At 28 years of age, would seem he's got some tread left; also looks like he was injured for good part of 22?
He's huge and strong...doesn't offer anything in the pass rush, just a run defender, and there's value in that. But there aren't a lot of TFL's to his credit, which would indicate not getting a lot of penetration.
I'm not saying this would be a negative signing at all. There's value to what he brings, particularly on this team where rotational DL is still a need. I do think there were better options, but Ashawn is probably the best remaining.
My guess is he is coming in to sign. I don't see him having a large market of suitors.
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Former Rams and Lions DL A'Shawn Robinson is visiting the #Giants on Monday, source confirms. The 6-foot-4, 330-pounder would seem to be a very good add up front. Torn meniscus ended his 2022 in Nov.
We'll see what the market ends up being and if #NYG and Robinson make it work.
I didn't get to see many Giants games this year and in the ones I did see didn't really focus on it -- in what circumstances did the Giants use 2 DL vs. 3? Counting Thibodeaux and Ojulari or Ward as LBs, was it usually a 2-4-5 or 2-3-6 alignment? It seems like they rarely played 3 down linemen. Would they do it more with better depth?
I know Martindale likes to mix it up, but I'm trying to picture the roles of Lawrence, Williams, Roches and Robinson (assuming they sign him). thanks.
I was that size @ like 2 YOA, not 2 months.
He has been a premiere run stopper throughout his short career.
He is 6'-5" 330# and is extremely forceful at the point of attack.
Robinson is also scheme diverse having played in a 3-4 and 4-3 defenses.
spotrac has him 3x8m.
i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
However they still need to re-work Leonard's deal and it will be interesting to see.
probbaly, he tore his meniscus last year and rehab is always dicier with big guys.
Also, I recall Williams saying he's okay with restructuring his deal very recently and someone mistook it as him saying he was willing to take a pay cut? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Can Leo move out and play some 5T still
Think he used to do that more
next year he would be a UFA so if he's good they'd be lining up to pay a UFA price not unlike Hargrave/Philly this year.
the move is to extend him now if you like him or move on if you don't (ideally getting back some trade comp along the lines of the waller deal).
my guess is they will work out an extension because it sounded like williams already realized that was where things were going in his exit press conference but if not having quality depth like robinson and nunes-roches gives them options.
Can Leo move out and play some 5T still
Think he used to do that more
Just talking around 10 snaps a game to hold the edge sometimes
Joe Schoen and Brandon Brown are killing it!
You bring in a guy like this to play with Leo and Dexter and the line play goes up for all 3. Last year we basically were playing with 2 guys. Can you imagine how tough defending Dexter will be with legitimate guys on both sides of him. Leo is not going anywhere. He will be restructured, Dexter will get an extension and Cap space will be created.
Very interested to see the details of Okereke’s contract with respect to the cap in 2023.
I like him as a backup to Dex and a good rotational player but hopefully not very expensive.
I bet giants are checking medicals
How’s this guy going to ever hear the play call?
As a pro, Robinson has been a bit of a tease. The player who showed up for the Super Bowl against a weak Bengals OL was the player Detroit thought they were getting in 2016. Medical issues have been a big part of the picture, but he's been up-and-down even when healthy. Bottom line, I think he could be a terrific addition as a rotational DL. The seven-year history suggests that counting on him for too much leads to disappointing results.
Plus Davidson looked like a solid rotational guy at times last year.
Giants inability to stop the run was more detrimental against Dallas and Philly than their lack of receiving options was. Okereke, RNR and A’Shawn would go a long way towards solving that.
I am a bit worried about CB. Figuring it’s high on their list in the draft - and have a feeling they like Ringo.
spotrac has him 3x8m.
i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
I'm not saying this would be a negative signing at all. There's value to what he brings, particularly on this team where rotational DL is still a need. I do think there were better options, but Ashawn is probably the best remaining.
My guess is he is coming in to sign. I don't see him having a large market of suitors.
pff tracks that and calls it 'stops'. in 2021 robinson was 2nd best in the nfl with 39 (aaron donald was first with 40).
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Former Rams and Lions DL A'Shawn Robinson is visiting the #Giants on Monday, source confirms. The 6-foot-4, 330-pounder would seem to be a very good add up front. Torn meniscus ended his 2022 in Nov.
We'll see what the market ends up being and if #NYG and Robinson make it work.
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wish they had a stat for tackles at LOS, 1 yard, 2 yard. Not as flashy but still big defensive plays, especially first two categories
pff tracks that and calls it 'stops'. in 2021 robinson was 2nd best in the nfl with 39 (aaron donald was first with 40).
Great find, Eric.
nunez-roches had 21 in 18 games. this was a career best for him by a lot.
williams had 20 in 14 games.
robinson had 18 in 10 games before he got hurt.
seems like nyg believe in stops.
I know Martindale likes to mix it up, but I'm trying to picture the roles of Lawrence, Williams, Roches and Robinson (assuming they sign him). thanks.