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A'Shawn Robinson visiting NYG on Monday

Big Rick in FL : 3/18/2023 12:06 pm
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Here's the tweet  
Big Rick in FL : 3/18/2023 12:06 pm : link
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#Rams DL A'Shawn Robinson, one of the top free agents available, is scheduled to visit the #Giants on Monday, source said. The veteran could beef up a NYG DL that already includes Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence, among others.
Excellent.  
Klaatu : 3/18/2023 12:08 pm : link
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This would be a great signing  
Strahan91 : 3/18/2023 12:09 pm : link
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Whoa  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/18/2023 12:09 pm : link
Schoen knows we gotta fix the run d
I was hoping they would be interested  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2023 12:09 pm : link
Imagine our rotation with Nacho, Dex and Leo
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2023 12:12 pm : link
A dude visiting a team before inking a deal? So 2005ish like.
would be a really good signing  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 12:12 pm : link
this was ashawn at 2 months old.

LOL  
D HOS : 3/18/2023 12:13 pm : link
That kid already looks like a DL!
Awesome  
Anakim : 3/18/2023 12:15 pm : link
He could start on our DL
RE: would be a really good signing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2023 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16069438 Eric on Li said:
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this was ashawn at 2 months old.



I was that size @ like 2 YOA, not 2 months.
Do it!!!  
Blue21 : 3/18/2023 12:17 pm : link
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Robinson  
Archer : 3/18/2023 12:18 pm : link
Robinson would be a great match for the Giants.
He has been a premiere run stopper throughout his short career.

He is 6'-5" 330# and is extremely forceful at the point of attack.

Robinson is also scheme diverse having played in a 3-4 and 4-3 defenses.

Would certainly help  
Jolly Blue Giant : 3/18/2023 12:19 pm : link
If they plan to renegotiate with Leo
his contract projections are kind of all over  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 12:19 pm : link
pff has him for a 1x3m.
spotrac has him 3x8m.

i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
Maybe they want  
Breeze_94 : 3/18/2023 12:20 pm : link
To check on medical?
I  
Toth029 : 3/18/2023 12:20 pm : link
Feel with the contract Nacho got, he's the likely starter with Leonard and Dexter Lawrence.

However they still need to re-work Leonard's deal and it will be interesting to see.
RE: Maybe they want  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 12:21 pm : link
In comment 16069450 Breeze_94 said:
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To check on medical?


probbaly, he tore his meniscus last year and rehab is always dicier with big guys.
Fans need to  
Y28 : 3/18/2023 12:24 pm : link
Remember that Leonard Williams CAP cost is currently over $30 million. Think big picture on several fronts.
If we sign him  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3/18/2023 12:26 pm : link
Does Schoen just eat the 32M cap for Leo let him play on it. If he is good restructure next year and if not they move on?
Wow  
cosmicj : 3/18/2023 12:30 pm : link
This has potential.
Nice,  
darren in pdx : 3/18/2023 12:31 pm : link
that would be the vet depth.

Also, I recall Williams saying he's okay with restructuring his deal very recently and someone mistook it as him saying he was willing to take a pay cut? Or am I thinking of someone else?
I would love the signing  
Payasdaddy : 3/18/2023 12:35 pm : link
Would really give us some runstopping depth
Can Leo move out and play some 5T still
Think he used to do that more
RE: If we sign him  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16069458 Saquon'sQuadz said:
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Does Schoen just eat the 32M cap for Leo let him play on it. If he is good restructure next year and if not they move on?


next year he would be a UFA so if he's good they'd be lining up to pay a UFA price not unlike Hargrave/Philly this year.

the move is to extend him now if you like him or move on if you don't (ideally getting back some trade comp along the lines of the waller deal).

my guess is they will work out an extension because it sounded like williams already realized that was where things were going in his exit press conference but if not having quality depth like robinson and nunes-roches gives them options.
RE: I would love the signing  
Payasdaddy : 3/18/2023 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16069465 Payasdaddy said:
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Would really give us some runstopping depth
Can Leo move out and play some 5T still
Think he used to do that more



Just talking around 10 snaps a game to hold the edge sometimes
I sure hope he signs a contract before leaving the building  
Fishmanjim57 : 3/18/2023 12:39 pm : link
He is such a fine player, and he'd be fulfilling another very important need for the Giants!
Joe Schoen and Brandon Brown are killing it!
That LW extension has been mentioned so many times  
cosmicj : 3/18/2023 12:43 pm : link
In public that the two sides must be working on it.
Get him Joe! Don't let him out of the building.  
BillT : 3/18/2023 12:44 pm : link
We are in serious need of another good DL. That would be a big step to getting the defensive front 7 the talent we need. A true rotational DL who can spell Leo, Dex and also be out there in 3 DL alignments.
RE: Fans need to  
Bruner4329 : 3/18/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16069456 Y28 said:
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Remember that Leonard Williams CAP cost is currently over $30 million. Think big picture on several fronts.


You bring in a guy like this to play with Leo and Dexter and the line play goes up for all 3. Last year we basically were playing with 2 guys. Can you imagine how tough defending Dexter will be with legitimate guys on both sides of him. Leo is not going anywhere. He will be restructured, Dexter will get an extension and Cap space will be created.
Schoen building the roster  
Rick in Dallas : 3/18/2023 12:45 pm : link
Must admit Schoen is doing a good job so far in FA
Very interested to see the details of Okereke’s contract with respect to the cap in 2023.
Parcells said it years ago, and it still rings true.  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 12:50 pm : link
Power wins football. Gotta beef up.
I'll admit I'm not particularly excited about Robinson;  
Angel Eyes : 3/18/2023 1:00 pm : link
judging from his play, weight, and how he's used he's more of a run downs only type... which still leaves the inside pass-rusher position open outside of Leonard Williams.
cant imagine  
Dankbeerman : 3/18/2023 1:00 pm : link
hes coming on a multi year deal with 3 guys in place.
What's your prediction for NFCE RB's A'Shawn?  
Koffman : 3/18/2023 1:02 pm : link
PAIN !

Big name  
armstead98 : 3/18/2023 1:03 pm : link
Disappointing player, hasnt quite lived up to the hype. A good run defender but one dimensional.

I like him as a backup to Dex and a good rotational player but hopefully not very expensive.

I bet giants are checking medicals
Would be a great add  
regulator : 3/18/2023 1:04 pm : link
We need run stopping depth... when Dex and/or Leo came off the field, our run defense was like a sieve. Can never have too much bulk in the middle.
RE: What's your prediction for NFCE RB's A'Shawn?  
RicFlair : 3/18/2023 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16069491 Koffman said:
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PAIN !




How’s this guy going to ever hear the play call?
Ironically, Nick Williams replaced Robinson in Detroit.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/18/2023 1:17 pm : link
Robinson would replace Nick Williams here.

As a pro, Robinson has been a bit of a tease. The player who showed up for the Super Bowl against a weak Bengals OL was the player Detroit thought they were getting in 2016. Medical issues have been a big part of the picture, but he's been up-and-down even when healthy. Bottom line, I think he could be a terrific addition as a rotational DL. The seven-year history suggests that counting on him for too much leads to disappointing results.
Or what Armstead98 said.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/18/2023 1:19 pm : link
Great minds...
I’d feel really good about a DL  
Breeze_94 : 3/18/2023 1:19 pm : link
With Dex, Leo, A’Shawn and RNR heading into the season.

Plus Davidson looked like a solid rotational guy at times last year.

Giants inability to stop the run was more detrimental against Dallas and Philly than their lack of receiving options was. Okereke, RNR and A’Shawn would go a long way towards solving that.

I am a bit worried about CB. Figuring it’s high on their list in the draft - and have a feeling they like Ringo.
But wait?  
ColHowPepper : 3/18/2023 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16069448 Eric on Li said:
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pff has him for a 1x3m.
spotrac has him 3x8m.

i assume at this stage of FA pff will be more in line with where he ends up but he was 1 of the best DL in 2021 when rams won SB. he carried a 9m cap # in 2022 for a reason.
If he's one of the top FAs available, why are these numbers so 'low'? At 28 years of age, would seem he's got some tread left; also looks like he was injured for good part of 22?
He's basically a stalemate guy  
allstarjim : 3/18/2023 1:24 pm : link
He's huge and strong...doesn't offer anything in the pass rush, just a run defender, and there's value in that. But there aren't a lot of TFL's to his credit, which would indicate not getting a lot of penetration.

I'm not saying this would be a negative signing at all. There's value to what he brings, particularly on this team where rotational DL is still a need. I do think there were better options, but Ashawn is probably the best remaining.

My guess is he is coming in to sign. I don't see him having a large market of suitors.
re: TFL  
bc4life : 3/18/2023 1:47 pm : link
wish they had a stat for tackles at LOS, 1 yard, 2 yard. Not as flashy but still big defensive plays, especially first two categories
the more good big guys  
bc4life : 3/18/2023 1:49 pm : link
you have the more rested and fresh they can play. and can sit a few games when dinged up not being compelled to rush back
Davidson coming back  
bc4life : 3/18/2023 1:49 pm : link
Nacho & Robinson would be a very good offseason headed into the draft
RE: re: TFL  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 1:50 pm : link
In comment 16069524 bc4life said:
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wish they had a stat for tackles at LOS, 1 yard, 2 yard. Not as flashy but still big defensive plays, especially first two categories


pff tracks that and calls it 'stops'. in 2021 robinson was 2nd best in the nfl with 39 (aaron donald was first with 40).
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2023 1:52 pm : link
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Former Rams and Lions DL A'Shawn Robinson is visiting the #Giants on Monday, source confirms. The 6-foot-4, 330-pounder would seem to be a very good add up front. Torn meniscus ended his 2022 in Nov.
We'll see what the market ends up being and if #NYG and Robinson make it work.
RE: RE: re: TFL  
allstarjim : 3/18/2023 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16069529 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16069524 bc4life said:


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wish they had a stat for tackles at LOS, 1 yard, 2 yard. Not as flashy but still big defensive plays, especially first two categories



pff tracks that and calls it 'stops'. in 2021 robinson was 2nd best in the nfl with 39 (aaron donald was first with 40).


Great find, Eric.
here's the 2022 stop numbers comparing current nyg & ashawn  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 1:55 pm : link
lawrence had 32 in 18 games (4th best in nfl behind wilkins, buckner, sieler).

nunez-roches had 21 in 18 games. this was a career best for him by a lot.

williams had 20 in 14 games.

robinson had 18 in 10 games before he got hurt.

seems like nyg believe in stops.
Eric on Li  
bc4life : 3/18/2023 1:55 pm : link
Thanks, did not know that.
Question about DL alignments  
Pete in VA : 3/18/2023 1:58 pm : link
I didn't get to see many Giants games this year and in the ones I did see didn't really focus on it -- in what circumstances did the Giants use 2 DL vs. 3? Counting Thibodeaux and Ojulari or Ward as LBs, was it usually a 2-4-5 or 2-3-6 alignment? It seems like they rarely played 3 down linemen. Would they do it more with better depth?

I know Martindale likes to mix it up, but I'm trying to picture the roles of Lawrence, Williams, Roches and Robinson (assuming they sign him). thanks.
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