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robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 12:57 pm
Does Jokic destroy us today? Hahn pointing out that Denver is giving up over 40% on 3s the last 4 games.
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Kind of a weird box score.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2023 3:19 pm : link
Brunson and Hart both -7. Barrett, on the other hand, is having an efficient game and is +11.
Money making Mitch!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/18/2023 3:20 pm : link
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Mitch quietly turned this game around in the 3rd  
Stu11 : 3/18/2023 3:21 pm : link
Got some huge offensive rebounds and put backs and played strong D.
Knicks with a great victory over the West top seed  
dpinzow : 3/18/2023 3:23 pm : link
Played great down the stretch and made Jokic look mortal in the 4th
Big win!  
larryflower37 : 3/18/2023 3:23 pm : link
10 left and RJ is back to playing to what we expected the last 3 games.
Also, the Knicks clinch a winning season  
dpinzow : 3/18/2023 3:24 pm : link
with the 42-30 record
What a fricken win  
nygiants16 : 3/18/2023 3:24 pm : link
Rj, Randle and Brunson all hit clitch shots..

Hart and Mitch with great fricken defense on Jokic and Murray to close
A great team victory - so many heroes. That's what it takes to beat a  
Ira : 3/18/2023 3:25 pm : link
top team.
Rj from now on thats how you drive  
nygiants16 : 3/18/2023 3:26 pm : link
i dont care if you have a wide open 3, drive it right to the bucket..
Excellent excellent win  
Stu11 : 3/18/2023 3:26 pm : link
Really gutted it out in the 4th. Man Hart is such a different maker. He just doesn't let this team relax. They may struggle at times because they're not the most consistent shooting team but the effort is always there in the 2nd halves.
RE: Crowd sounds great.  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 3:28 pm : link
In comment 16069635 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Usually isn’t that way on an early Saturday or Sunday game.


We've always had the best fans in the league.
That’s how you close!  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 3:28 pm : link
I was a little worried about Mitch coming back in at the end, but he was making plays. All in all pretty solid work on Jokic. Murray was the one hurting us.

42-30, wow.
The Garden was deafening on that lob to Mitch  
nygiants16 : 3/18/2023 3:30 pm : link
that sealed it..This team never quits, down 13 nothing falling snd the Nuggets were hot they didnt let up and kept attacking...

RE: The Garden was deafening on that lob to Mitch  
dpinzow : 3/18/2023 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16069659 nygiants16 said:
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that sealed it..This team never quits, down 13 nothing falling snd the Nuggets were hot they didnt let up and kept attacking...


The Knicks defense really started locking in against a great Nuggets offense in the 4th. I believe the Nuggets starting lineup with Jokic and Murray is the most efficient in the NBA in the advanced metrics
I guess I'll have to start another game thread.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 3:32 pm : link
Lol.
Jokic has destroyed us over the years.  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 3:35 pm : link
Some of the absolute worst blowout losses we’ve had over the past few years have come in Denver. We have come a long way.
Great win.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2023 3:38 pm : link
Pumped AF.
RE: I guess I'll have to start another game thread.  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16069662 robbieballs2003 said:
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Lol.


Please do on Tuesday against the T-Wolves at MSG!
RE: Rj from now on thats how you drive  
AG5686 : 3/18/2023 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16069650 nygiants16 said:
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i dont care if you have a wide open 3, drive it right to the bucket..

indeed
They turned Jokic into Julius Randle  
Vanzetti : 3/18/2023 3:49 pm : link
Turnovers and missed shots in crunch time.

They made Gordon, Brown and Porter Jr try to beat them and they could not do it.

Thibs best coaching job in a while. Grimes with an effective 20 minutes instead of an ineffective 32. Hart getting the call over Quick, who had a bad shooting game. Starters were not exhausted at the end because of the good distribution of minutes. Crisp basketball against a formidable opponent.
RE: I guess I'll have to start another game thread.  
Ira : 3/18/2023 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16069662 robbieballs2003 said:
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Lol.


Keep up the good work!
Josh Hart, what a player.  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 5:24 pm : link
That is all.
Ah, back on track  
Spider43 : 3/18/2023 5:37 pm : link
I thought we may have peaked too early, but it seems we have our legs back under us. I wanna' go all-out for the stretch, to try and catch the Cavs. But perhaps some load management might be in better order, to save ourselves for the postseason, when it's really needed.
If RJ and Grimes ever start hitting their 3's consistently  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2023 5:42 pm : link
this team is going to be very hard to beat.

Unfortunately, that might not happen this season, if ever.
RE: Ah, back on track  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 5:55 pm : link
In comment 16069735 Spider43 said:
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I thought we may have peaked too early, but it seems we have our legs back under us. I wanna' go all-out for the stretch, to try and catch the Cavs. But perhaps some load management might be in better order, to save ourselves for the postseason, when it's really needed.


Longshot for that to happen. I just hope we stay ahead of the Nets (6 seed) and hope the Heat don't heat up (the current 7 seed)---pun intended of course. Get me the 5 seed and I'm good to go.
This team can play with anyone  
nygiants16 : 3/18/2023 6:02 pm : link
and Rj has found something with the bench unit, he can just worry about getting to the rim, doesnt have to worry about being a floor spacer..

and you are starting to see some sets where Rj gets downhill with Randle and Brunson spreading the floor for bim rather than the other way around
Minny up next on Monday at MSG.  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 6:37 pm : link
Edwards sprained his ankle last night and is out “indefinitely.” KAT has also been out. Take care of business.
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AG5686 : 3/18/2023 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16069745 nygiants16 said:
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and Rj has found something with the bench unit, he can just worry about getting to the rim, doesnt have to worry about being a floor spacer..

and you are starting to see some sets where Rj gets downhill with Randle and Brunson spreading the floor for bim rather than the other way around

Exactly I believe the coaches decision to encourage him to take the 3 ball has hurt RJ...he can't be stopped off the dribble so they should encourage him to dribble drive and work on his mid range game
Not to rip RJ  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 6:50 pm : link
But while he is better at driving than shooting 3, he is far from unstoppable at driving. I would love to see a stat that shows how many times a player got blocked. I bet Barrett would be at the top of the list.
His 3pt shooting percentage  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/18/2023 7:30 pm : link
Ever since returning from that lacerated finger is atrocious. I think it is sub 30%. He was never a great shooter but he was showing signs approaching better efficiency on his jumper before the injury.

Even his lobs which were pretty good before are now often terribly off.

I think he doesn't have full sensitivity in that finger yet and it's definitely affecting his shots.
RE: His 3pt shooting percentage  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 7:38 pm : link
In comment 16069774 CornerStone246+17 said:
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Ever since returning from that lacerated finger is atrocious. I think it is sub 30%. He was never a great shooter but he was showing signs approaching better efficiency on his jumper before the injury.

Even his lobs which were pretty good before are now often terribly off.

I think he doesn't have full sensitivity in that finger yet and it's definitely affecting his shots.


He's been off all year, even before the injury.
Now the Wolves are saying day-to-day for Edwards  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 7:38 pm : link
so we’ll see about Monday.
RE: RE: His 3pt shooting percentage  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/18/2023 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16069777 robbieballs2003 said:
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Ever since returning from that lacerated finger is atrocious. I think it is sub 30%. He was never a great shooter but he was showing signs approaching better efficiency on his jumper before the injury.

Even his lobs which were pretty good before are now often terribly off.

I think he doesn't have full sensitivity in that finger yet and it's definitely affecting his shots.



He's been off all year, even before the injury.


True he started a bit slow as he often does at the beginning of the season.

However the 17 games prior to his injury from basically late Novemeber 11/27 vs Mem to the End of December He was shooting right around 45% on 3 and 48% overall. Best shooting stretch of his career by far.
If my numbers are right  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 8:08 pm : link
RJ's 3 point shooting before the injury:
62 for 187
33.16%

RJ's 3 point shooting after the injury:
48 for 163
29.44%

RJ's 3 point shooting overall for this year:
110 for 350
31.43%

He is shooting worse after the injury but it isn't all that different from before. I think I give more credence to the rumor that he didn't put in the time this offseason over the injury.
RE: If my numbers are right  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/18/2023 8:12 pm : link
In comment 16069788 robbieballs2003 said:
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RJ's 3 point shooting before the injury:
62 for 187
33.16%

RJ's 3 point shooting after the injury:
48 for 163
29.44%

RJ's 3 point shooting overall for this year:
110 for 350
31.43%

He is shooting worse after the injury but it isn't all that different from before. I think I give more credence to the rumor that he didn't put in the time this offseason over the injury.


No doubt it's terrible overall. But he was shooting the heck out of the ball when he started to hit his stride in late November for pretty much a full month right before the finger laceration.

He looked the best we have ever seen him.
Brunson, Barrett, & Coach Thibs On Knicks Big Win Over Denver At Home  
Ira : 3/18/2023 8:15 pm : link
Brunson - "I feel fantastic."
Brunson, Barrett, & Coach Thibodeau On Knicks Big Win Over Denver At Home - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: His 3pt shooting percentage  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16069787 CornerStone246+17 said:
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Ever since returning from that lacerated finger is atrocious. I think it is sub 30%. He was never a great shooter but he was showing signs approaching better efficiency on his jumper before the injury.

Even his lobs which were pretty good before are now often terribly off.

I think he doesn't have full sensitivity in that finger yet and it's definitely affecting his shots.



He's been off all year, even before the injury.



True he started a bit slow as he often does at the beginning of the season.

However the 17 games prior to his injury from basically late Novemeber 11/27 vs Mem to the End of December He was shooting right around 45% on 3 and 48% overall. Best shooting stretch of his career by far.


During that stretch, if my numbers are right, he shot 41.98% (34 on 81). We've seen that before from him last year. After his horrible start last season, he was on a tear from 3. That is why so many had high expectations for him coming into this year and he fell flat on his face. I also think getting Brunson helped ever Knick but Barrett. Barrett needs the ball to be effective. He isn't getting that with Brunson and Randle. It's a huge factor imo as to why he as sucked this year. I don't see that getting better unless he doesn't start anymore and plays exclusively with the 2nd unit. We all see why Hart is such a great player for this team because he is just the anti-Barrett. He doesn't look to over dribble. He plays good defense. He rebounds well. He just knows how to play off ball dominant players like Brunson and Randle. I just don't see how Barrett fits on this team long term. Brunson isn't going anywhere. Randle ia most likely not going anywhere. Imo, in a perfect world, RJ plays well, builds up his value and gets moved for a better piece that fits with this team. Just my two cents though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: His 3pt shooting percentage  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/18/2023 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16069794 robbieballs2003 said:
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Ever since returning from that lacerated finger is atrocious. I think it is sub 30%. He was never a great shooter but he was showing signs approaching better efficiency on his jumper before the injury.

Even his lobs which were pretty good before are now often terribly off.

I think he doesn't have full sensitivity in that finger yet and it's definitely affecting his shots.



He's been off all year, even before the injury.



True he started a bit slow as he often does at the beginning of the season.

However the 17 games prior to his injury from basically late Novemeber 11/27 vs Mem to the End of December He was shooting right around 45% on 3 and 48% overall. Best shooting stretch of his career by far.



During that stretch, if my numbers are right, he shot 41.98% (34 on 81). We've seen that before from him last year. After his horrible start last season, he was on a tear from 3. That is why so many had high expectations for him coming into this year and he fell flat on his face. I also think getting Brunson helped ever Knick but Barrett. Barrett needs the ball to be effective. He isn't getting that with Brunson and Randle. It's a huge factor imo as to why he as sucked this year. I don't see that getting better unless he doesn't start anymore and plays exclusively with the 2nd unit. We all see why Hart is such a great player for this team because he is just the anti-Barrett. He doesn't look to over dribble. He plays good defense. He rebounds well. He just knows how to play off ball dominant players like Brunson and Randle. I just don't see how Barrett fits on this team long term. Brunson isn't going anywhere. Randle ia most likely not going anywhere. Imo, in a perfect world, RJ plays well, builds up his value and gets moved for a better piece that fits with this team. Just my two cents though.


Not opposed to your thinking at all. RJ, OBi a bunch of FRPs we've accumulated plus salary filler like Fournier should absolutely put us in the mix for whatever superstar should come available. We ideally need a high efficiency two way player at the 2,3 or 5. If we can get a Jaylon Brown, Embiid etc this would no doubt be a championship caliber team.

Honestly if Barrett can get back to being more efficient on a night to night basis even this team is awfully good even right now.
Definitely.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 8:44 pm : link
I agree that if Barrett can figure his shit out this year, this can be a very dangerous team. A lot of guys had off games today like IQ and Randle and we were still able to pull out the win. I hope Hart and Hartenstein keeo their magic going the rest of the year.
Miami loses in Chicago, falls to 38-34.  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2023 10:16 pm : link
We’re four games ahead of them in the race to avoid the play-in. Great day all around.
Dallas' remaining schedule. They currently have the 6th seed.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/18/2023 10:33 pm : link
I'd love for them to get knocked down to the 10th seed.

Mon, Mar 20
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Golden State
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Charlotte
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Charlotte
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Atlanta
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3:30 PM ET
RE: Miami loses in Chicago, falls to 38-34.  
nygiants16 : 3/18/2023 10:40 pm : link
In comment 16069838 bceagle05 said:
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We’re four games ahead of them in the race to avoid the play-in. Great day all around.


I just hope Denver doesnt rest Jokic and Murray tomorrow vs Nets
RE: Ah, back on track  
Dr. D : 3/19/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16069735 Spider43 said:
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I thought we may have peaked too early, but it seems we have our legs back under us. I wanna' go all-out for the stretch, to try and catch the Cavs. But perhaps some load management might be in better order, to save ourselves for the postseason, when it's really needed.

Personally, I'm hoping the load management doesn't start on Thursday in Orlando. I just got tickets yesterday for my son and I.
nothing against Jokic  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/19/2023 11:18 am : link
as I think he's one of the two best offensive players in the game with Curry.

But I'm kind of happy about the recent backlash regarding his D being too weak to be a 3x consecutive MVP winner. It's just too big of a flaw.

I don't necessarily think Embiid is better, but I hope he wins it after this nasty stretch he's been on.
RE: RE: Ah, back on track  
Stu11 : 3/19/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16070043 Dr. D said:
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I thought we may have peaked too early, but it seems we have our legs back under us. I wanna' go all-out for the stretch, to try and catch the Cavs. But perhaps some load management might be in better order, to save ourselves for the postseason, when it's really needed.


Personally, I'm hoping the load management doesn't start on Thursday in Orlando. I just got tickets yesterday for my son and I.

Thibs- load management????? Ha ha ha ha ummm the Knicks aren't load managing anyone unless they are hurt.
if you can get the concept of  
Dave on the UWS : 3/19/2023 12:52 pm : link
"load management" across to Thibs, it would be a miracle. Not in his DNA. He beats players to death in the regular season so they have nothing left in the playoffs. Book it!
RE: if you can get the concept of  
Vanzetti : 3/19/2023 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16070100 Dave on the UWS said:
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"load management" across to Thibs, it would be a miracle. Not in his DNA. He beats players to death in the regular season so they have nothing left in the playoffs. Book it!


Jordan averaged over 40 minutes per game for three years in a row. Then was always around 38-39 after that.

When Thibs coached Ewing back in the 90s Patrick was still averaging 37 minutes per game even though he was 30 years old.

And guys today don't play nearly as physical and hard as they did back then.

That's Thibs' mentality. Leopard doesnt change its spots.
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dpinzow : 3/19/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16070115 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 16070100 Dave on the UWS said:


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"load management" across to Thibs, it would be a miracle. Not in his DNA. He beats players to death in the regular season so they have nothing left in the playoffs. Book it!



Jordan averaged over 40 minutes per game for three years in a row. Then was always around 38-39 after that.

When Thibs coached Ewing back in the 90s Patrick was still averaging 37 minutes per game even though he was 30 years old.

And guys today don't play nearly as physical and hard as they did back then.

That's Thibs' mentality. Leopard doesnt change its spots.


Thibs' form of load management is to give Julius Randle the most minutes of any player in the NBA
Nuggets 108-102 win over the Nets  
dpinzow : 3/19/2023 5:48 pm : link
Knicks now 2.5 games in front of the Nets (2 in the loss column) and 4 games ahead of Miami
10 to play with a 2.5 lead for the 5th spot  
larryflower37 : 3/19/2023 6:56 pm : link
2.5 back to catch Cleveland.
Going to be a fun battle I would like to see 50 wins just as a place in history.
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