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OBJ doesn't like the offers that have come in

Des51 : 3/18/2023 2:00 pm
Says he doesn't know where the 20M figure came from, but only getting 4M per yr not right.
Odell Beckham, Jr. seems to indicate he’s been offered only $4 million per year - ( New Window )
After his behavior on that airplane  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/18/2023 2:15 pm : link
it's 4 mil too much. He can go kick rocks
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I am Ninja : 3/18/2023 2:17 pm : link
He makes a living with his legs and his legs have a tendency of shredding.

I wonder if he’ll just retire  
eric2425ny : 3/18/2023 2:17 pm : link
at this point
This guy is going to be a reality TV contestant soon  
widmerseyebrow : 3/18/2023 2:18 pm : link
Student of the TO school of financial management.
He’ll sign a 1 year deal  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/18/2023 2:19 pm : link
At 4 million with incentive that will get to 7. A Parris Campbell type contract, once he sees that the money isn’t out there.
RE: After his behavior on that airplane  
Blue21 : 3/18/2023 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16069558 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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it's 4 mil too much. He can go kick rocks
You have to wonder if that scared a lot of teams off including the Giants. Same ole OBJ Talented as all but could you imagine if he came back here and acted up? It d be like "don't the Giants ever learn"?
Biggest mistake of his career was that Lil’ Wayne  
eric2425ny : 3/18/2023 2:25 pm : link
interview when he basically crapped all over the Giants after getting paid. That led to the Browns trade, playing with an awful QB in Mayfield and injury after injury.

He got a SB out of it with the Rams, but even in that game he got hurt again.
Smart, Tough and Dependable  
BillT : 3/18/2023 2:31 pm : link
He isn't.
RE: Smart, Tough and Dependable  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16069576 BillT said:
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He isn't.


Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.

Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.

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English Alaister : 3/18/2023 2:51 pm : link
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He isn't.



Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.

Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.


Waller is 2 of the 3. More than you can say about OBJ.
It's  
BigBlueinDE : 3/18/2023 2:56 pm : link
time to move on from OBJ. The ship has sailed.
He got offered $4,000,000 for a year?  
Giant John : 3/18/2023 2:57 pm : link
He should have jumped on that. About 3,500,000 more than he’s worth.
I wouldn't give him  
Sec 103 : 3/18/2023 3:00 pm : link
vet min.
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BillT : 3/18/2023 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16069582 pjcas18 said:
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He isn't.



Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.

Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.

Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
I never thought Beckham was on crack but now I'm starting to wonder  
Victor in CT : 3/18/2023 3:03 pm : link
LOL. He's delusional. Good riddance.
there comes a point where OBJ price point may line up with giants  
Payasdaddy : 3/18/2023 3:06 pm : link
thy arent attending workouts and having meetings with him because there is no interest
BBI may think so but still wouldnt be shocked
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pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16069610 BillT said:
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He isn't.



Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.

Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.



Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.


now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.

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BillT : 3/18/2023 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16069619 pjcas18 said:
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Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.



now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.

What the boat trip and his recent airline meltdown didn't happen. Seems you're the one looking to ignore them issues.
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BigBlueShock : 3/18/2023 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16069582 pjcas18 said:
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He isn't.



Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.

Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.

There is a lot more to being dependable than simply injury history
RE: It's  
DefenseWins : 3/18/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16069605 BigBlueinDE said:
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time to move on from OBJ. The ship has sailed.


Too many people bought the jersey. They still wear it. They jerk off into it.
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pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16069623 BillT said:
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Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.



now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.



What the boat trip and his recent airline meltdown didn't happen. Seems you're the one looking to ignore them issues.


I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.

To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.

Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?

So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
There’s probably a reason he bulked up.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 3/18/2023 3:21 pm : link
Those legs can’t get it done anymore. Teams can put up with the attention whoring and still pay you when you’re elite, the market dries up when you only bring the drama.
Never quite understood the HATE for OBJ  
Jim in Tampa : 3/18/2023 3:28 pm : link
You don’t want the Giants to sign him because he’s been injured or because he’s 30? Fair enough.

But are you actually hating the player because he said some stupid things in an interview or hugged a kicking net, or made a mock-pee political statement after a TD or (gasp!) because he (and all the other WRs) went on a boat trip in their free time before a playoff game?

It’s similar to hating on Tiki (despite all his on-field accomplishments for the Giants) because he said mean things about Eli. Who cares!

OBJ played hard and his teammates loved him.

I definitely would have given him the same type of incentive-laden contract offer that Campbell got and let Slayton go to Atlanta. But obviously if the Giants had any interest in OBJ, we’d have heard about it by now.
RE: There’s probably a reason he bulked up.  
Payasdaddy : 3/18/2023 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16069640 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Those legs can’t get it done anymore. Teams can put up with the attention whoring and still pay you when you’re elite, the market dries up when you only bring the drama.


if he lost more than a step, he is a solid possession WR still ultra athletic with excellent hands and route running
may need a bit more bulk to take more pounding
not an optimum role for him and if slower, may not make sense for gmen hodgins kinda fills route running possession guy
Bob Papa and Carl Banks talk about OBJ  
Des51 : 3/18/2023 3:31 pm : link
In this video go to the 22.35 minute mark
Giants Are Making Major Splashes in Free Agency with Bob Papa & Carl Banks - ( New Window )
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BillT : 3/18/2023 3:33 pm : link
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.

To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.

Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?

So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.

First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.

Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
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pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 3:38 pm : link
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.

To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.

Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?

So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.


First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.

Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.


This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"

I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.

Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish

I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.
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BillT : 3/18/2023 3:50 pm : link
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.

To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.

Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?

So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.


First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.

Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.



This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"

I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.

Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish

I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.

Well since your "point" was really about about personal insults and calling me "hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish" and that what I said was an act, that you have a nice day too. And also so appreciate you also telling me what to say and why to say it. I don't think I or anyone else doesn't understand your "point".
RE: Smart, Tough and Dependable  
Dr. D : 3/18/2023 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16069576 BillT said:
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He isn't.

Not too smart, Often injured, Pain in the ass
I used to defend OBJ all the time.  
Kmed6000 : 3/18/2023 3:54 pm : link
I would argue that he's a kid and he's immature and none of what he did means he's a problem as everything is blown out of proportion......BUT, people are still saying the same things in 2023 lol. The guy is an immature clown and if you don't think so, watch the WHOLE airplane incident from a few months ago. He hasn't grown up and changed.

You are a true POS to act like he did in that incident and say some of those things. I wouldn't want him for those reasons, but they have less to do with football than the actual reason I wouldn't touch OBJ.

Not all injuries are the same. Yes Waller has been really unreliable the past 2 years and even when he's played he's been eh, but he doesn't have degenerative injuries like OBJ has. OBJ's injuries will cause him issues for the rest of his career.
I mean  
AcesUp : 3/18/2023 3:58 pm : link
I’m not sure if the Giants already executed one of their free agency plans at the skill spots but if all that is available to him right now is 4+incentives, I’d consider talking to him. If the market isn’t giving him what he wants, he could be open to a prove it here for a year given the opportunity, coaches and connection.
Lol  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/18/2023 3:58 pm : link
That’s less than Slayton. Dizammmmmm
I don't think we sign him  
Dr. D : 3/18/2023 4:01 pm : link
I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.

In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
Sending a single scout  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/18/2023 4:01 pm : link
to his clown show workout was a waste of resources.
He probably deserves Waller money  
Coopcomic : 3/18/2023 4:03 pm : link
Roughly same age, both get injured but have uber talent. But OBJ is a head case. Probably worth $10-11M on a prove it.
DJ is a 5th year pro  
AcesUp : 3/18/2023 4:03 pm : link
That just got a pretty big vote of confidence from the organization in the form of 82M guaranteed. I don’t think he’s a fragile little kid anymore.
RE: I don't think we sign him  
eric2425ny : 3/18/2023 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16069688 Dr. D said:
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I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.

In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.


Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.
My thoughts  
nyg60 : 3/18/2023 4:21 pm : link
Personality flaws aside, 2 acl’s on the same knee at 30 is a no brainer. He should act like a saint and hope for an opportunity to play again at best. Just won’t be here.
My thoughts  
nyg60 : 3/18/2023 4:26 pm : link
Personality flaws aside, 2 acl’s on the same knee at 30 is a no brainer. He should act like a saint and hope for an opportunity to play again at best. Just won’t be here.
He could always do NBA Halftime shows  
ghost718 : 3/18/2023 4:29 pm : link
The one handed catch routine should be able to beat out the dog and his Frisbee.
I love  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/18/2023 4:47 pm : link
dog with frisbee.
RE: Sending a single scout  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/18/2023 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16069689 Spiciest Memelord said:
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to his clown show workout was a waste of resources.


Yeah they really missed out on so many other opportunities on that day!
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jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/18/2023 5:15 pm : link
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I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.

In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.



Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.


Agree, and don't forget there was also Tiki's retirement before the season, another me first guy off the team allowing Eli to flourish.
RE: He could always do NBA Halftime shows  
noro9 : 3/18/2023 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16069704 ghost718 said:
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The one handed catch routine should be able to beat out the dog and his Frisbee.


This
A lot of hate for OBJ on here.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2023 5:50 pm : link
I don't have anything against the guy.

He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.

For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.
RE: He probably deserves Waller money  
section125 : 3/18/2023 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16069690 Coopcomic said:
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Roughly same age, both get injured but have uber talent. But OBJ is a head case. Probably worth $10-11M on a prove it.


No, there is a huge difference in the type of injuries each have sustain. Two ACLs and a broken ankle vs a hamstring is not comparable. Waller has had nuisance injuries. OBJ has had major injuries.
And I am an OBJ fan.
Just can’t see Mr Mara writing another big check  
Pete in CO : 3/18/2023 9:14 pm : link
…to him after what happened last time w Lil Wayne. Maybe they resolved that matter, I don’t know.
RE: He could always do NBA Halftime shows  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 9:31 pm : link
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The one handed catch routine should be able to beat out the dog and his Frisbee.


lol
The 30 for 30 on this guy is going  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/18/2023 10:05 pm : link
to be fascinating. He looked like a future HOF after his rookie year. You can’t predict injuries but he’s always been about him. I excluded the kicking net stuff but the lil Wayne interview trashing Eli after he got a big extension was it for me. His career has been pretty forgettable since he was traded and he’s somehow already on the wrong side of 30. But he’s always been great at getting himself in the news for “look at me” stuff not related to his play on the field
RE: The 30 for 30 on this guy is going  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/18/2023 10:06 pm : link
In comment 16069832 Ned In Atlanta said:
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to be fascinating. He looked like a future HOF after his rookie year. You can’t predict injuries but he’s always been about him. I excluded the kicking net stuff but the lil Wayne interview trashing Eli after he got a big extension was it for me. His career has been pretty forgettable since he was traded and he’s somehow already on the wrong side of 30. But he’s always been great at getting himself in the news for “look at me” stuff not related to his play on the field


Excused *
RE: A lot of hate for OBJ on here.  
mfsd : 3/18/2023 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16069739 81_Great_Dane said:
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I don't have anything against the guy.

He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.

For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.


All true…yet while same is true for a lot of other players, OBJ is the one who’s yet again chirping on social media about it

I don’t hate him either, but the whole attention seeking act is really tired
Poor Baby  
PatersonPlank : 3/18/2023 10:13 pm : link
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This thread is hilarious.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2023 10:35 pm : link

OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.

RE: DJ is a 5th year pro  
Dr. D : 3/18/2023 10:47 pm : link
In comment 16069691 AcesUp said:
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That just got a pretty big vote of confidence from the organization in the form of 82M guaranteed. I don’t think he’s a fragile little kid anymore.

Eli was at end of his 4th year when Shockey got hurt, with more of a pedigree than Jones. Pretty similar times of their respective careers and i don't think any QB is at their best when having to deal with distractions from a-holes like OBJ and Shockey.
I've always been a big fan of OBJ  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/18/2023 10:59 pm : link
Honestly, the hate he gets here is just ridiculous. He was literally the most talented wideout to ever strap on a Giants helmet.

Odell's biggest problem throughout his career has obviously been injuries. Nobody is going to give him a big wad of guaranteed cash coming off his second ACL surgery. I hope he's come to grips with that now.

He needs to get a modest deal with some good incentive clauses and find a team with a very weak WR core and a decent QB where he can have the opportunity to put up decent numbers if he stays healthy.

What team does that sound like to you.

RE: This thread is hilarious.  
Dr. D : 3/18/2023 11:54 pm : link
In comment 16069846 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.

He might be in talent, but even that's TBD following another ACL. And it's not crazy to think he'd add negative chemistry to the team that would outweigh his talent at this point.

Some of us would rather spend the FA $ elsewhere, take a WR in 1st or 2nd rd and develop him into a #1.
RE: This thread is hilarious.  
section125 : 3/19/2023 3:00 am : link
In comment 16069846 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.


OBJ used to be that good. He was #3 on the Rams before his knee blew up again. He is now a #3 WR, maybe a #2, at best.

I am a fan of his, knucklehead that he is. But while he is an accomplished WR, time and injury have robbed him of that #1 status.

That said, for smallish contract with incentives(less than $4 mill), I would take him back.
All you need to do  
Southern Man : 3/19/2023 3:03 am : link
is to listen to an interview of Waller and Beckham to see the difference in maturity and perspective. I loved OBJ when he was o the GMen, but he is a diva. A prove-it deal would be fine, but please no 15M.
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