You have to wonder if that scared a lot of teams off including the Giants. Same ole OBJ Talented as all but could you imagine if he came back here and acted up? It d be like "don't the Giants ever learn"?
interview when he basically crapped all over the Giants after getting paid. That led to the Browns trade, playing with an awful QB in Mayfield and injury after injury.
He got a SB out of it with the Rams, but even in that game he got hurt again.
Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.
What the boat trip and his recent airline meltdown didn't happen. Seems you're the one looking to ignore them issues.
I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
Those legs can’t get it done anymore. Teams can put up with the attention whoring and still pay you when you’re elite, the market dries up when you only bring the drama.
You don’t want the Giants to sign him because he’s been injured or because he’s 30? Fair enough.
But are you actually hating the player because he said some stupid things in an interview or hugged a kicking net, or made a mock-pee political statement after a TD or (gasp!) because he (and all the other WRs) went on a boat trip in their free time before a playoff game?
It’s similar to hating on Tiki (despite all his on-field accomplishments for the Giants) because he said mean things about Eli. Who cares!
OBJ played hard and his teammates loved him.
I definitely would have given him the same type of incentive-laden contract offer that Campbell got and let Slayton go to Atlanta. But obviously if the Giants had any interest in OBJ, we’d have heard about it by now.
Those legs can’t get it done anymore. Teams can put up with the attention whoring and still pay you when you’re elite, the market dries up when you only bring the drama.
if he lost more than a step, he is a solid possession WR still ultra athletic with excellent hands and route running
may need a bit more bulk to take more pounding
not an optimum role for him and if slower, may not make sense for gmen hodgins kinda fills route running possession guy
I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"
I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.
Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish
I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.
I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"
I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.
Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish
I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.
Well since your "point" was really about about personal insults and calling me "hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish" and that what I said was an act, that you have a nice day too. And also so appreciate you also telling me what to say and why to say it. I don't think I or anyone else doesn't understand your "point".
I would argue that he's a kid and he's immature and none of what he did means he's a problem as everything is blown out of proportion......BUT, people are still saying the same things in 2023 lol. The guy is an immature clown and if you don't think so, watch the WHOLE airplane incident from a few months ago. He hasn't grown up and changed.
You are a true POS to act like he did in that incident and say some of those things. I wouldn't want him for those reasons, but they have less to do with football than the actual reason I wouldn't touch OBJ.
Not all injuries are the same. Yes Waller has been really unreliable the past 2 years and even when he's played he's been eh, but he doesn't have degenerative injuries like OBJ has. OBJ's injuries will cause him issues for the rest of his career.
I’m not sure if the Giants already executed one of their free agency plans at the skill spots but if all that is available to him right now is 4+incentives, I’d consider talking to him. If the market isn’t giving him what he wants, he could be open to a prove it here for a year given the opportunity, coaches and connection.
I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.
Personality flaws aside, 2 acl’s on the same knee at 30 is a no brainer. He should act like a saint and hope for an opportunity to play again at best. Just won’t be here.
Personality flaws aside, 2 acl’s on the same knee at 30 is a no brainer. He should act like a saint and hope for an opportunity to play again at best. Just won’t be here.
I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.
Agree, and don't forget there was also Tiki's retirement before the season, another me first guy off the team allowing Eli to flourish.
He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.
For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.
Roughly same age, both get injured but have uber talent. But OBJ is a head case. Probably worth $10-11M on a prove it.
No, there is a huge difference in the type of injuries each have sustain. Two ACLs and a broken ankle vs a hamstring is not comparable. Waller has had nuisance injuries. OBJ has had major injuries.
And I am an OBJ fan.
to be fascinating. He looked like a future HOF after his rookie year. You can’t predict injuries but he’s always been about him. I excluded the kicking net stuff but the lil Wayne interview trashing Eli after he got a big extension was it for me. His career has been pretty forgettable since he was traded and he’s somehow already on the wrong side of 30. But he’s always been great at getting himself in the news for “look at me” stuff not related to his play on the field
to be fascinating. He looked like a future HOF after his rookie year. You can’t predict injuries but he’s always been about him. I excluded the kicking net stuff but the lil Wayne interview trashing Eli after he got a big extension was it for me. His career has been pretty forgettable since he was traded and he’s somehow already on the wrong side of 30. But he’s always been great at getting himself in the news for “look at me” stuff not related to his play on the field
He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.
For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.
All true…yet while same is true for a lot of other players, OBJ is the one who’s yet again chirping on social media about it
I don’t hate him either, but the whole attention seeking act is really tired
That just got a pretty big vote of confidence from the organization in the form of 82M guaranteed. I don’t think he’s a fragile little kid anymore.
Eli was at end of his 4th year when Shockey got hurt, with more of a pedigree than Jones. Pretty similar times of their respective careers and i don't think any QB is at their best when having to deal with distractions from a-holes like OBJ and Shockey.
Honestly, the hate he gets here is just ridiculous. He was literally the most talented wideout to ever strap on a Giants helmet.
Odell's biggest problem throughout his career has obviously been injuries. Nobody is going to give him a big wad of guaranteed cash coming off his second ACL surgery. I hope he's come to grips with that now.
He needs to get a modest deal with some good incentive clauses and find a team with a very weak WR core and a decent QB where he can have the opportunity to put up decent numbers if he stays healthy.
OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.
He might be in talent, but even that's TBD following another ACL. And it's not crazy to think he'd add negative chemistry to the team that would outweigh his talent at this point.
Some of us would rather spend the FA $ elsewhere, take a WR in 1st or 2nd rd and develop him into a #1.
is to listen to an interview of Waller and Beckham to see the difference in maturity and perspective. I loved OBJ when he was o the GMen, but he is a diva. A prove-it deal would be fine, but please no 15M.
He got a SB out of it with the Rams, but even in that game he got hurt again.
Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.
Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.
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Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.
Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.
Waller is 2 of the 3. More than you can say about OBJ.
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Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.
Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.
Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
BBI may think so but still wouldnt be shocked
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Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.
Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.
Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.
Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.
What the boat trip and his recent airline meltdown didn't happen. Seems you're the one looking to ignore them issues.
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Hard to really buy into that too much when the Giants just traded for Waller.
Waller hasn't played that many games more than Beckham the past two years and Beckham missed one of them entirely.
There is a lot more to being dependable than simply injury history
Too many people bought the jersey. They still wear it. They jerk off into it.
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Waller isn't two ACLs in and there are the smart and tough parts as well. Shall we revisit the boat trip.
now there are qualifiers to make the narrative fit for convenience, lol.
What the boat trip and his recent airline meltdown didn't happen. Seems you're the one looking to ignore them issues.
I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
But are you actually hating the player because he said some stupid things in an interview or hugged a kicking net, or made a mock-pee political statement after a TD or (gasp!) because he (and all the other WRs) went on a boat trip in their free time before a playoff game?
It’s similar to hating on Tiki (despite all his on-field accomplishments for the Giants) because he said mean things about Eli. Who cares!
OBJ played hard and his teammates loved him.
I definitely would have given him the same type of incentive-laden contract offer that Campbell got and let Slayton go to Atlanta. But obviously if the Giants had any interest in OBJ, we’d have heard about it by now.
if he lost more than a step, he is a solid possession WR still ultra athletic with excellent hands and route running
may need a bit more bulk to take more pounding
not an optimum role for him and if slower, may not make sense for gmen hodgins kinda fills route running possession guy
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"
I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.
Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish
I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.
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I'm not saying they didn't happen with Beckham, what I am saying is I don't see how anyone objectively looking at things can claim Waller is tough or dependable. He has played 17 games the past two seasons combined and clearly had issues with his coaching staff.
To claim that's reason you think the Giants wouldn't sign Beckham (for less than what Waller cost in terms of draft picks and salary) is hypocritical and defending Waller as fitting that mantra is kool-aid-drinker-ish.
Furthermore, the Giants also recently re-signed Sterling Shepard who is the epitome of fragile and may I remind you, was also on the aforementioned boat trip. How does he fit in to smart, tough and dependable?
So, mantras are nice and all, but consider how you look citing that after the recent transactions.
First of all. I didn't bring up Waller, you did. Nor did I defend his signing. You compared them and the truth is they're injury history is significantly different despite the games missed. Those differences matter.
Shepard is a long time Giant who signed for vet min. If Beckham wants to come here for vet min it's a different conversation. Further, it's pretty obvious Sheppard is here more as a locker room guy than a WR. That also is a role for which Beckham is particularly unsuited.
This is an act, right? lol. I brought up Waller because you used the "company line" about why they wouldn't sign Beckham - indicating he is not "smart, tough, and dependable"
I highlighted for you a few examples where that may be what the team says, but it's not demonstrably how they operate in every case.
Just say you doubt they sign Beckham because he's toast, or wants too much money or whatever reason you think it will be, but when you used that slogan it came off as like I said, hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish
I think we've both made our points, you don't really understand mine - so I will say, have a nice day.
Well since your "point" was really about about personal insults and calling me "hypocritical and I add kind of cult-ish" and that what I said was an act, that you have a nice day too. And also so appreciate you also telling me what to say and why to say it. I don't think I or anyone else doesn't understand your "point".
Not too smart, Often injured, Pain in the ass
You are a true POS to act like he did in that incident and say some of those things. I wouldn't want him for those reasons, but they have less to do with football than the actual reason I wouldn't touch OBJ.
Not all injuries are the same. Yes Waller has been really unreliable the past 2 years and even when he's played he's been eh, but he doesn't have degenerative injuries like OBJ has. OBJ's injuries will cause him issues for the rest of his career.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.
Yeah they really missed out on so many other opportunities on that day!
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I don't think I'd want him even at 4M. Regardless of what he has left in the tank, I don't think he would be good for Jones and the team.
In a similar way that Shockey's obnoxious a-hole personality wasn't good for young Eli, I think OBJ wouldn't be good for young DJ. We don't need an old diva yelling at DJ to throw him the ball, along with the other crap.
Agreed. Honestly, I’m not sure the Giants would have beat the Patriots that season if Shockey didn’t get hurt. That team really came together from a focus perspective later that season and I think Shockey would have detracted from that.
Agree, and don't forget there was also Tiki's retirement before the season, another me first guy off the team allowing Eli to flourish.
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He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.
For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.
No, there is a huge difference in the type of injuries each have sustain. Two ACLs and a broken ankle vs a hamstring is not comparable. Waller has had nuisance injuries. OBJ has had major injuries.
And I am an OBJ fan.
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He doesn't like the offers? I bet. He's used to being "OBJ," NFL superstar. But due to injury, he's not that anymore. He's Odell Beckham Jr., unemployed football player. In his head, he's still the guy. Nobody who'll pay him thinks so. He should probably talk to some veterans who had to play their way back to big money after an injury, or who just had to settle for less on the way down.
For a team considering signing him, the worrisome thing is that he doesn't seem to quite understand his situation. If he doesn't understand it now, he sure won't understand it in week 4 when he's not getting a lot of targets because he's 2nd or 3rd read on a good team.
All true…yet while same is true for a lot of other players, OBJ is the one who’s yet again chirping on social media about it
I don’t hate him either, but the whole attention seeking act is really tired
OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.
Eli was at end of his 4th year when Shockey got hurt, with more of a pedigree than Jones. Pretty similar times of their respective careers and i don't think any QB is at their best when having to deal with distractions from a-holes like OBJ and Shockey.
Odell's biggest problem throughout his career has obviously been injuries. Nobody is going to give him a big wad of guaranteed cash coming off his second ACL surgery. I hope he's come to grips with that now.
He needs to get a modest deal with some good incentive clauses and find a team with a very weak WR core and a decent QB where he can have the opportunity to put up decent numbers if he stays healthy.
What team does that sound like to you.
OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.
He might be in talent, but even that's TBD following another ACL. And it's not crazy to think he'd add negative chemistry to the team that would outweigh his talent at this point.
Some of us would rather spend the FA $ elsewhere, take a WR in 1st or 2nd rd and develop him into a #1.
OBJ is a huge upgrade over every single signed WR on the Giants. It's not close either.
OBJ used to be that good. He was #3 on the Rams before his knee blew up again. He is now a #3 WR, maybe a #2, at best.
I am a fan of his, knucklehead that he is. But while he is an accomplished WR, time and injury have robbed him of that #1 status.
That said, for smallish contract with incentives(less than $4 mill), I would take him back.