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allstarjim : 3/18/2023 2:09 pm
Nimmo hurt ankle sliding, imaging today but Buck says things looking positive.

Senga 3 innings, 1 ER, 5Ks Thursday.

With the loss of Quintana for basically the first half, it sure would be nice if Senga is a dominant #3.

Baty continuing to rake this spring. Avg at .394 with a 1.027 OPS. Yeah, it's spring, and the WBC is happening, but really impressive showing thus far.

Any chance he makes the OD roster?

Alvarez is polar opposite, just 3 hits in 23 ABs, spring average down to .130 after an 0-2 and a BB yesterday.

Still a small sample, and had no thoughts of him making OD anyway.

But if Baty continues on this track, isn't that bat something you want to go into the season with?
I think the Mets are still a little wary  
Section331 : 3/18/2023 2:49 pm : link
of Baty’s D, so I think he starts in Syracuse, but isn’t think it will be long before he is brought up. Alvarez is another story, I’d look at a mid- to late-season call up.

For me, the question is, Will Vientos make the OD roster?
RE: I think the Mets are still a little wary  
allstarjim : 3/18/2023 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16069587 Section331 said:
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of Baty’s D, so I think he starts in Syracuse, but isn’t think it will be long before he is brought up. Alvarez is another story, I’d look at a mid- to late-season call up.

For me, the question is, Will Vientos make the OD roster?


I think Alvarez is going to hit very well in AAA. I think a May call-up is possible, personally.

I think it's probably one or the other in terms of Vientos or Baty, and possibly neither. I would like to see one of them get a shot, though.
Who takes the closer role?  
HewlettGiant : 3/18/2023 2:51 pm : link
He can't be replaced.
RE: Who takes the closer role?  
allstarjim : 3/18/2023 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16069594 HewlettGiant said:
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He can't be replaced.


MLBTR thinks (and I agree) that they will roll with the in-house dudes until July or so when the trade market heats up, where there will be better options available. Makes sense to me.
RE: RE: Who takes the closer role?  
Payasdaddy : 3/18/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16069598 allstarjim said:
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He can't be replaced.



MLBTR thinks (and I agree) that they will roll with the in-house dudes until July or so when the trade market heats up, where there will be better options available. Makes sense to me.

diaz will have to be replaced. u roll with what you got.
I expect a deal for a guy like mauricio and other minor leaguers at july deadline for a closer if they are in the playoff hunt (they should)
wouldnt be shocked to see diaz closing in world series game
not likely but possible
Baty  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 3:08 pm : link
should make the opening day roster IMO, he's made some really good plays on D this spring and his bat has been as advertised.

he won't make it for OD for many reasons and it's not a huge deal, but he should
RE: RE: Who takes the closer role?  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2023 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16069598 allstarjim said:
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He can't be replaced.



MLBTR thinks (and I agree) that they will roll with the in-house dudes until July or so when the trade market heats up, where there will be better options available. Makes sense to me.
To be cold-blooded about this: What the Mets lose is the difference between Diaz and his replacements.

Also, the threat of Diaz coming in affected the way the other manager would play the game; the Mets lose that advantage.

But for the most part, Diaz only pitched in close games where the Mets have the lead. (Remember how he seemed to go a long time without pitching down the stretch last year?) So if the Mets are hitting, and games aren't close, Diaz won't be missed as much.

The difference between Diaz and the new closer(s) might be a few wins over the season. That could be the difference between winning the division and a wild card. But it's not like they will have to send out a AAA pitcher. They aren't the same, but the season is hardly over, as some have said. If they find a guy who is an average closer, they'll get by. If they can acquire a guy who's better than that, they'll be more than ok.
Low-grade strain of knee and Ankle for Nimmo  
jpkmets : 3/18/2023 3:30 pm : link
That’s about as good an outcome as you can get there. Will be reevaluated in a week.
This is  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 3:34 pm : link
awesome. lol
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I think Eppler did a bad job with the pen  
Vanzetti : 3/18/2023 3:41 pm : link
Of course, nobody can predict a freak injury such as Diaz'. But he was way too concerned with who had options and collecting a bunch of shots in the dark. It was a Wilpon/Sandy bullpen.

Nogosek, Curtiss, Yacabonis, Hartwig, Greene, Muckenhirn--all these guys have something interesting about them but they are long shots and even if they do make it, they profile as middle relievers.

Robertson was really the only substantial addition but they needed another guy like him. Why waste 6 million on a nutjob with declining numbers like Tommy Pham. And you can't sign Chafin or someone of that ilk?

Mets really only have Otta and Robertson for late innings--and both those guys have age concerns. Bad job imo by Eppler with the bullpen.
RE: RE: RE: Who takes the closer role?  
BleedBlue : 3/18/2023 3:41 pm : link
In comment 16069624 81_Great_Dane said:
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He can't be replaced.



MLBTR thinks (and I agree) that they will roll with the in-house dudes until July or so when the trade market heats up, where there will be better options available. Makes sense to me.

To be cold-blooded about this: What the Mets lose is the difference between Diaz and his replacements.

Also, the threat of Diaz coming in affected the way the other manager would play the game; the Mets lose that advantage.

But for the most part, Diaz only pitched in close games where the Mets have the lead. (Remember how he seemed to go a long time without pitching down the stretch last year?) So if the Mets are hitting, and games aren't close, Diaz won't be missed as much.

The difference between Diaz and the new closer(s) might be a few wins over the season. That could be the difference between winning the division and a wild card. But it's not like they will have to send out a AAA pitcher. They aren't the same, but the season is hardly over, as some have said. If they find a guy who is an average closer, they'll get by. If they can acquire a guy who's better than that, they'll be more than ok.


Diaz’s loss is felt in the postseason when teams normally would know if they are losing getting into late innings clock is ticking. Now no Diaz you don’t have a guy people fear as a closer. It absolutely changes the Mets chances and hurts big time come playoffs. Horrible loss and horribly unlucky
RE: I think Eppler did a bad job with the pen  
Optimus-NY : 3/18/2023 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16069669 Vanzetti said:
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Of course, nobody can predict a freak injury such as Diaz'. But he was way too concerned with who had options and collecting a bunch of shots in the dark. It was a Wilpon/Sandy bullpen.

Nogosek, Curtiss, Yacabonis, Hartwig, Greene, Muckenhirn--all these guys have something interesting about them but they are long shots and even if they do make it, they profile as middle relievers.

Robertson was really the only substantial addition but they needed another guy like him. Why waste 6 million on a nutjob with declining numbers like Tommy Pham. And you can't sign Chafin or someone of that ilk?

Mets really only have Otta and Robertson for late innings--and both those guys have age concerns. Bad job imo by Eppler with the bullpen.


TOTALLY agree man.
They likely will have to trade for someone at the deadline  
Vanzetti : 3/18/2023 3:58 pm : link
So Diaz' injury will probably cost them Vientos, Butto and/or more.
to pj's point above if you guys havent seen baty's 3b highlights  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 4:30 pm : link
the past week this play was as good as anything we saw last year. here was buck's comment on him and vientos (who made the pick at 1b):

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"That's been one of the highlights of camp, is watching these guys really improve with their footwork"

https://twitter.com/andrewsteeled/status/1635742349065166849 - ( New Window )
David Bednar  
moespree : 3/18/2023 4:34 pm : link
Will probably be moved at the deadline, barring Pittsburgh having an unforeseen season where they are in it.
Robertson wasn't the only add - they also added Raley  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 4:35 pm : link
and brought back ottavino, and obviously gave Diaz the massive contract. and added curtiss last year knowing it was a move for this year. and brought back hunter on a ST invite.

and they were checking out britton even before diaz got hurt.

i have knocked the mets bp depth every year for the last 2 decades before this one, this time they did it right and just got unlucky.

if you lock in all of your BP spots to non-optionable players then you have less depth than the way the mets tried to do it by having a large pool of optionable players they could rotate through the non-guaranteed slots.
Familia  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 4:55 pm : link
is still available.

lol.

seriously though as much as everyone wants to be positive, this (Diaz) is about as devastating an injury as the Mets could have had. Maybe 2 or 3 position players and then Diaz. I just assume a starter or 3 will be hurt (and we already have one) but Diaz was easily top 3 or 4 most important players for the 2023 Mets.

not going to lie, my expectations are lowered. Just being realistic.

Best case is the Mets had a young in the minors who was supposed to be a starter but his secondary stuff never really developed to starter level, but his primary stuff is good so a move to the pen makes sense. Or a guy who is not quite ready to start.

but I don't think they have that guy. do they? Maybe a minor league starting pitcher who is a year away from being major league ready. A lot of teams bring up their young guys and give them time in the pen first - Braves did with Strider.



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pjcas18 : 3/18/2023 4:59 pm : link
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#Mets roster moves:

Ronny Mauricio, Joey Lucchesi optioned to @SyracuseMets


Abraham Almonte, Jaylin Davis sent to minors camp.

And, Brandon Nimmo will be fine.
RE: Familia  
Vanzetti : 3/18/2023 5:02 pm : link
In comment 16069718 pjcas18 said:
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is still available.

lol.

seriously though as much as everyone wants to be positive, this (Diaz) is about as devastating an injury as the Mets could have had. Maybe 2 or 3 position players and then Diaz. I just assume a starter or 3 will be hurt (and we already have one) but Diaz was easily top 3 or 4 most important players for the 2023 Mets.

not going to lie, my expectations are lowered. Just being realistic.

Best case is the Mets had a young in the minors who was supposed to be a starter but his secondary stuff never really developed to starter level, but his primary stuff is good so a move to the pen makes sense. Or a guy who is not quite ready to start.

but I don't think they have that guy. do they? Maybe a minor league starting pitcher who is a year away from being major league ready. A lot of teams bring up their young guys and give them time in the pen first - Braves did with Strider.




Montes de Oca is the only one with late inning stuff. But his control is not there yet.

Other than the cupboard Is bare other than the usual AAAA guys that every organization has.

Josh Walker might be a guy who surprises but that’s not something you count on.

Don’t really know what Epplrr was thinking with a 300 million dollar budget and you have no contingency plan if Diaz goes down. Trade for a closer would seem to be yhr only solution. Mets have enough to be competitive to the deadline
RE: Familia  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16069718 pjcas18 said:
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is still available.

lol.

seriously though as much as everyone wants to be positive, this (Diaz) is about as devastating an injury as the Mets could have had. Maybe 2 or 3 position players and then Diaz. I just assume a starter or 3 will be hurt (and we already have one) but Diaz was easily top 3 or 4 most important players for the 2023 Mets.

not going to lie, my expectations are lowered. Just being realistic.

Best case is the Mets had a young in the minors who was supposed to be a starter but his secondary stuff never really developed to starter level, but his primary stuff is good so a move to the pen makes sense. Or a guy who is not quite ready to start.

but I don't think they have that guy. do they? Maybe a minor league starting pitcher who is a year away from being major league ready. A lot of teams bring up their young guys and give them time in the pen first - Braves did with Strider.




megill is the first guy i thought about after diaz got hurt. i dont think they want to burn their sp depth early but in a month or two if they need to bring someone up i think megill may be in that discussion bc bp may be his best long term home anyway.

diaz is undoubtedly a loss but i do think there's similar logic as to why some of us were luke warm on the trade when the mets first got him, which is that it's never a lock for any rp to recreate that level CY season because the only reliever who has ever done it consistently like that was mariano. yes that's a rationalization but it's still true.

i worry about age but if robertson and otto can hang for the first half i think they will be able to find a player to add if necessary as the braves did last year with iglesius and the phillies did with robertson. and who knows maybe diaz can hit the 6 month recovery and get back for september? obviously cant count on that but the last 2 guys with that injury did it.
RE: They likely will have to trade for someone at the deadline  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2023 5:56 pm : link
In comment 16069685 Vanzetti said:
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So Diaz' injury will probably cost them Vientos, Butto and/or more.
Vientos is probably expendable — but he probably won't bring back what he's really worth in a trade. Kid could turn out to be an Alonso-like slugger. Normally, if you trade a guy like that, you expect A LOT in return, not just a pretty good closer.

Mauricio might turn out to be the one traded. He's blocked at SS but if he transitions to outfield, that could solve a lot of problems for the Mets.

Just keep Baty and Alvarez. Baty's mashed at every level from HS up; he'll mash in the majors. Alvarez usually starts slowly then rakes once he catches up to the competition. Those two guys have the potential to transform the lineup.
I’d be surprised if the Mets don’t sign  
Section331 : 3/18/2023 6:01 pm : link
Zach Britton. He has a history with Buck. As far as potential closers, what about Curtiss? I think his stuff could fit the role (eventually).

As far as the young’s going north with the club, I think Vientos has the best odds, but I don’t think Baty will be in Syracuse long.
How The Mets Can Replace Edwin Díaz  
Dennis : 3/19/2023 12:32 am : link
"At the end of the day, replacing 60 innings of a high leverage reliever like Díaz is easier than replacing one of their top three starters or one of their top five hitters. The Mets still have high expectations and they should have confidence in their existing high leverage arms to step up to start the season. As Jay Jaffe of FanGraphs shows in his article, the Mets playoff percentage is still at a very high 77.7% and their World Series percentage only dropped 1.4%. The Mets would have been great with Díaz, but they will still manage to be very good without Díaz in 2023."
How The Mets Can Replace Edwin Díaz - ( New Window )
I don’t know if he will be effective again  
bhill410 : 3/19/2023 6:47 am : link
But I think there is an outside shot Diaz pitches for them in October. That’s what j keep telling myself at least.
Officially  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2023 12:03 pm : link
confirmed, Diaz injury will save Cohen cash but will not help against the lux tax. This was the expectation/what has happened in the past but because it was the WBC there was some question.
Why are people  
pjcas18 : 3/20/2023 12:07 pm : link
speculating that the Mets are interested in Diaz' brother Alexis from the Reds?

just convenience or is there any truth to it? Any chance the Reds trade him?
RE: Why are people  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2023 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16070661 pjcas18 said:
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speculating that the Mets are interested in Diaz' brother Alexis from the Reds?

just convenience or is there any truth to it? Any chance the Reds trade him?


Martino reported during this off-season that the Mets inquired into Diaz last deadline and found the price to be "sky high" so a combination of previous interest and it's his brother. As for the Reds trading him, 100% they would trade a short inning RP with 1 year of success... if the price were right. That's the issue, teams are aware of the Mets situation and would not settle for anything less than top names in March.
Roki Sasaki  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2023 12:12 pm : link
is arguably the biggest talent not signed to an MLB team, should be exciting to see him face off against Mexico. He, Yamamoto and Murakami all profile as MLB stars more so than most of the recent names (outside of Ohtani of course).
Anthony DiComo article yesterday  
allstarjim : 3/21/2023 10:18 am : link
On Lindor regarding his reaction to the Edwin Díaz injury:

https://www.mlb.com/mets/news/francisco-lindor-brokenhearted-by-edwin-diaz-s-injury

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Lindor cried. He cried on the field, then again in the clubhouse, then again back at the team hotel. He and his teammates did not yet know that Díaz had suffered a torn patellar tendon and was likely done for the season, but it wasn’t difficult to predict bad news.

“I never knew I loved Edwin so much until I couldn’t stop crying,” Lindor said. “That’s when I realized I love Edwin a lot. It’s one of those moments that you wish you could go back and do it in slow motion. That way no one goes through that. It broke my heart. It did not feel good.”


If there's any silver lining to this story, and it's hard to find one, is that this team may lift each other up. "I never knew I loved Edwin so much until I couldn't stop crying."

A team that loves each other is going to play hard for each other. Lindor is the emotional leader, and this team on the balance has a ton of heart. You think about how much these guys care, and not to say these dynamics don't exist in other clubhouses, but I think about the specific personalities on this team, particularly those that are leaders and play key roles...Lindor, Nimmo, Alonso, McNeil, Marte. I think the collection of personalities, not just their statistical achievements and the accolades and recognition that go with it, but the heart this team has, makes this team one of my favorite Met teams ever. And particularly at a time when young talent is coming up, to be part of this clubhouse, guys that project to be big puzzle pieces for this team in the future, it's a good thing to have this group of leaders around them.

My hope is they rally around each other. Can't wait for Opening Day...I believe this year is going to be special.
Ziegler  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2023 3:09 pm : link
Bone spurs removed from his elbow per Mayer. Return to the field tbd
Alvarez  
GF1080 : 3/22/2023 10:41 am : link
Sent to AAA
Once the Angels  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2023 10:48 am : link
are all but eliminated, the Mets should trade for Ohtani and make him the closer.

Jett  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2023 11:12 am : link
Williams to remain at SS and the Mets do not forsee him playing somewhere else. Obviously, if he's knocking on the door that may/will change.
RE: Ziegler  
Metnut : 3/22/2023 11:14 am : link
In comment 16071921 DanMetroMan said:
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Bone spurs removed from his elbow per Mayer. Return to the field tbd


Is this typically a season ender Dan?
RE: RE: Ziegler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2023 11:17 am : link
In comment 16072571 Metnut said:
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In comment 16071921 DanMetroMan said:


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Bone spurs removed from his elbow per Mayer. Return to the field tbd



Is this typically a season ender Dan?


Assuming it was only spurs (and that's how it was reported), the recovery time is usually about 3 months. So probably cost him most of the first half but should still get in half of a season or so.
Jeez the Mets really cannot afford  
bhill410 : 3/22/2023 11:22 am : link
Zieglers development to be stunted for so long especially after the Allen news earlier this year. Pitching is barren in the minors
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2023 11:59 am : link

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MLB, which has control over on-field rules, will continue with the parameters of the pitch clock that players have been using all spring: 15 seconds with the bases empty and 20 seconds with runners on base, plus the hitter needing to be "alert" in the batter's box with 8 seconds remaining.
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