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Giants reality: three “market reset” contracts coming

Ben in Tampa : 3/18/2023 4:36 pm
I’ve been impressed with Joe Schoen and his team in his short Giants tenure. They had a big test this off season, having to negotiate the Jones and Barkley deals, and it looks like they got the job done.

In my opinion, the bigger test is having to land two, maybe three, contract extensions that all have the possibility to be “reset the market” deals.

I expect Andrew Thomas to be the highest left tackle in NFL history when the time comes to reup his deal. They will have him for two more cost controlled seasons, but they probably don’t want to wait that long. The quicker they can do this deal the better.

Dexter Lawrence, playing on his 5th year option this year, could potentially become the highest paid DT in NFL history. He may not quite reach Aaron Donald levels, but I don’t think there is any doubt he’ll top the 4 year, $90 million deal signed by Darron Payne in Washington. I think he has the potential to go even bigger than Donald, but we’ll see. I’m sure the Giants will try to get in under that deal.

Last is Xavier McKinney. I believe Derwin James has the record deal at 4 years, $76 million. With McKinney you can’t point to him and say “that’s the best safety in the NFL” so it’s not obvious that he would get a record breaker. However, when guys like that… pedigree, youth, talent, etc. hit the market they tend to be the rising tide on positional value. He’s on the last year of his deal and again, the sooner they can get the deal done is probably for the best.

Schoen, Browns, Abrams and the whole front office had a challenging 2023 off season, and it doesn’t get easier in ‘24.
Would be nice to wrap some of these guys up  
illmatic : 3/18/2023 4:46 pm : link
early. But it seems like so many players are willing to test free agency now. Or maybe I’m just being salty about Barkley and Love not signing the fair deals the team offered them before they hit free agency.
It never gets easier  
Dave on the UWS : 3/18/2023 4:50 pm : link
as the team gets better, the talent gets better, and the contracts get more difficult. I think Schoen knows this. Everything he does has a short term AND long term component to it. If they want to retain those 3, they will.
RE: It never gets easier  
Big Blue '56 : 3/18/2023 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16069714 Dave on the UWS said:
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as the team gets better, the talent gets better, and the contracts get more difficult. I think Schoen knows this. Everything he does has a short term AND long term component to it. If they want to retain those 3, they will.


It’s as simple as that regardless of how complex a given contract might prove to be..Just enjoy the Schoen/Daboll ride. Hooefully, the best is yet to come
hooefully=hopefully  
Big Blue '56 : 3/18/2023 4:57 pm : link
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Lawrence and Thomas yes but not Mckinney  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2023 5:00 pm : link
Lawrence and Thomas have been starters for their 3 & 5 years respectively and this year got all pro votes. They play premium positions that get paid.

McKinney in 3 years has missed chunks of 2 of them. This past year he didnt record an int. This is a big prove it year for him, and he's an obvious tag candidate since safety is a cheap tag (unlike LT and DL). I'm not saying it would be cheap to get him to extend right now just that he's not resetting the market any time soon. safety as a position is getting treated like rb right now.
I think you work to  
AcesUp : 3/18/2023 5:10 pm : link
Get Dex and Thomas done asap but McKinney feels like a player in no man’s land right now. I don’t think you’re risking him getting priced up by making him take a step this year. Assuming Dex is done, you’ve got the tag for him next year if needed.

Also I don’t think Dex gets to Donald money, 4yr 100m is probably right off the Payne deal. Assuming you can get him done before QW and Simmons.
With four players who realistically should command at the top  
regulator : 3/18/2023 5:41 pm : link
of their respective position groups, if not resetting the market (Thomas, Lawrence, McKinney, Barkley) and a fifth player who is in the top third of the league (Jones), apropos of nothing... we really should be a team in contention.

Otherwise it's an indictment of the quality of the back half of the roster (still true) and the valuation of the money we pay out to those so-called top guys (TBD...).
We ARE a team in contention  
Dave on the UWS : 3/18/2023 6:51 pm : link
they made it to the final 8 last year. That's a pretty good start.
McKinney seems more like a franchise tag guy  
GiantsFan84 : 3/18/2023 7:15 pm : link
I’m not resetting the market w him even though I do believe he’s a good player
Also I’m not paying Barkley beyond this year  
GiantsFan84 : 3/18/2023 7:16 pm : link
I’d rather pay McKinney than him if I had to choose
They are not going to pay big bucks for McKinney  
Vanzetti : 3/18/2023 9:14 pm : link
He has been injured a ton, and while he is good, he is not great.

Thomas and Dex are must signs. McKinney? Not so much
McKinney  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2023 10:24 pm : link

Isn't resetting the market.

Dex and Thomas are going to get paid. Luckily we have the cap space in 2024 and beyond.
I feel like a lot of people on here really overrate McKinney  
CaLLaHaN : 3/19/2023 10:27 am : link
He is not on the field that often, gets beat on big plays and doesn't have those big game changing plays/ints.

He is a solid player but not even close to other top safetys in the league.
Even if McKinney were to reset the market  
j_rud : 3/19/2023 5:41 pm : link
I don't think this regime will spend big at that position. Thats just my guess but they just let a 120+ tackle team captain walk for 6 mill per year as one reference point.
RE: We ARE a team in contention  
regulator : 3/19/2023 5:44 pm : link
In comment 16069759 Dave on the UWS said:
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they made it to the final 8 last year. That's a pretty good start.


For sure… but at 1-4-1 in the division, and a playoff no-show in the 2nd round, with the talent we supposedly have (that we’ll be paying at the top of the market for) we need to continue to ascend. I think the perception around the league, and even among Giants fans, is that we are at least as likely to regress this season as we are to build on last year with 10+ wins.

With the supposed quality of the roster, we need to keep climbing.
RE: I feel like a lot of people on here really overrate McKinney  
UConn4523 : 3/19/2023 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16070009 CaLLaHaN said:
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He is not on the field that often, gets beat on big plays and doesn't have those big game changing plays/ints.

He is a solid player but not even close to other top safetys in the league.


He played 97% of the snaps the last 2 years, excluding the time missed from the hand injury. How is he not on the field often?
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