What does the WR group look like 1 week into FA?

You missed one.

About 6-7 weeks ago, an alert BBIer (can't remain which one), correctly pointed out that on the Giants official website, they had just changed the position listed for Dre Miller from TE to WR.

Miller is no longer listed as a TE, and needs to be included in the WR group.

Miller is another player that had an extremely noticeable training camp. Miller's injury was a fractured forearm, so he should certainly be 100% now.

No #1. I'd be shocked if we don't take WR in 1st or 2nd rd. Expect another later, but that's not as critical.

these are #2/#3/#4s across the baord

While this year we are maybe adequate , what WR on this team right now do we have secured long term that has high potential to be anything approaching a WR1. Robinson? So many of our guys are signed to one year contracts or are injury prone or just aren't that great. Not much stability here from a long term standpoint at all. And if one guy surprisingly emerges like Parris Campbell his cost in FA will skyrocket.

This current situation at WR is still crying out for a high draft pick and maybe even another later in the draft to have a player or two with 4 to 5 years of cost control that NYG actually believes could become a high level impact receiver.

In comment 16069871 Y28 said:

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You missed one. About 6-7 weeks ago, an alert BBIer (can't remain which one), correctly pointed out that on the Giants official website, they had just changed the position listed for Dre Miller from TE to WR. Miller is no longer listed as a TE, and needs to be included in the WR group. Miller is another player that had an extremely noticeable training camp. Miller's injury was a fractured forearm, so he should certainly be 100% now.

Don't forget James Washington either. There will be a ton of competition. But all are kind of long shots to be a stud #1. The depth should create a stronger rotation than last years though for sure.

...may be a 24 goal.
Based on how this draft looks like it will go, WR1 may not be available in the draft.

PFN gave me this:
NYG 25.
Lukas Van Ness
EDGE Iowa

NYG 57.
Cody Mauch
OT North Dakota State

NYG 89.
DJ Turner
CB Michigan

NYG 128.
Jonathan Mingo
WR Ole Miss

NYG 160.
Andrei Iosivas
WR Princeton

NYG 172.
Luke Schoonmaker
TE Michigan

I like the way this played.

In comment 16069889 Brown_Hornet said:

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...may be a 24 goal. Based on how this draft looks like it will go, WR1 may not be available in the draft. PFN gave me this: NYG 25. Lukas Van Ness EDGE Iowa NYG 57. Cody Mauch OT North Dakota State NYG 89. DJ Turner CB Michigan NYG 128. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss NYG 160. Andrei Iosivas WR Princeton NYG 172. Luke Schoonmaker TE Michigan I like the way this played.

Brown- Wink is a Corner guy and Daboll/Kafka come from strong passing backgrounds. We also happen to have big holes at one boundary CB spot and the WR1 spot. I find it hard to see right now unless FA brings something else on board that we go outside of CB/WR in the top 2 rounds if they are anywhere near BPA at our picks. Maybe Edge as a darkhorse if it is clear BPA over the other 2 positions.

as a group that has gotten better, basically swapping James for Campbell and adding a legitimate X-factor receiving TE in Waller.

If they don't get a guy who can contribute in the draft, they shouldn't be completely SOL trying to move the ball through the air like they were last year.

But, it's also a group of complementary players - they don't have a true #1. So, if a guy like Johnston is there at 25, I think it would be a great pick that addresses a need.

I’m still on the it’s basically gotta be a wr at 25. Sure the value has to be there but my god are we seriously pedestrian at WR

There isn’t one guy there that a team is gonna be like woah watch out for him. We have a bunch of average. Need a play make there

In comment 16069887 CornerStone246+17 said:

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In comment 16069871 Y28 said: Quote: You missed one. About 6-7 weeks ago, an alert BBIer (can't remain which one), correctly pointed out that on the Giants official website, they had just changed the position listed for Dre Miller from TE to WR. Miller is no longer listed as a TE, and needs to be included in the WR group. Miller is another player that had an extremely noticeable training camp. Miller's injury was a fractured forearm, so he should certainly be 100% now. Don't forget James Washington either. There will be a ton of competition. But all are kind of long shots to be a stud #1. The depth should create a stronger rotation than last years though for sure.

Are you sure Washington is still with us?

but the title should be, “what does the RECEIVER group look like 1 week into FA?”

Stronger because of a (healthy) Waller

:)

And the WR core will be in ready

But this looks to me just like what they did last year with the OL. First, acquire a number of players during FA. Next, prioritize the position in the draft. WR in round 1 or 2 plus at least one other selection.

In comment 16069908 Big Blue '56 said:

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but the title should be, “what does the RECEIVER group look like 1 week into FA?” Stronger because of a (healthy) Waller :)

Exactly. It's impossible to evaluate our receiving options without looking at the te position as well as wide receiver.

In comment 16069914 Giantsfan79 said:

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And the WR core will be in ready

Yeah, just what this FINALLY SETTLED IN team needs is an attention and social media whore, not to meention declining skills

Campbell and Slayton will be on the team. Maybe they can be more than their first four seasons suggest: useful role players. For now, that’s all you can really expect. And that’s assuming Campbell can stay on the field, which he did for the first time in 2022.

As much as we appreciate Hodgins’s contribution last year, he’s the same player that cleared waivers six months ago, when the Giants passed on him despite familiarity with his potential. The Bills waived him three times to keep Jake Kumerow. With no guaranteed cash or dead money, Hodgins is only a roster lock because there is nobody to threaten him.

Robinson, Shepard, and Johnson are medical lottery tickets. The realistic expectation for all three in 2023 is zero. We can hope to get something from Robinson at some point, maybe after the bye. Smith is fast. Maybe Groh can do something with him.

In short, it’s a mess. And the Waller trade suggests that Schoen knows it’s a mess and that there are no easy solutions. The landing party includes a lot of red shirts. A few will make it back to the Enterprise. All are expendable.

I take issue with one of your points, Hodgkin's is not the same player he was 10 months ago. You have to think he's learned some stuff that helped him produce last season.

Also I think it's a certainty he wouldn't pass through waivers this off-season if the Giants cut him

We have the start of a good group of WR. Adding top talent in the draft will get us to the next level. It’s a process that’s not finished.

In comment 16069939 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Campbell and Slayton will be on the team. Maybe they can be more than their first four seasons suggest: useful role players. For now, that’s all you can really expect. And that’s assuming Campbell can stay on the field, which he did for the first time in 2022. As much as we appreciate Hodgins’s contribution last year, he’s the same player that cleared waivers six months ago, when the Giants passed on him despite familiarity with his potential. The Bills waived him three times to keep Jake Kumerow. With no guaranteed cash or dead money, Hodgins is only a roster lock because there is nobody to threaten him. Robinson, Shepard, and Johnson are medical lottery tickets. The realistic expectation for all three in 2023 is zero. We can hope to get something from Robinson at some point, maybe after the bye. Smith is fast. Maybe Groh can do something with him. In short, it’s a mess. And the Waller trade suggests that Schoen knows it’s a mess and that there are no easy solutions. The landing party includes a lot of red shirts. A few will make it back to the Enterprise. All are expendable.

Actually Hodgins is a lock because he was solid last year thanks to Dabes and Kafka helping him display his skillset, imv

In comment 16069925 Klaatu said:

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That was brilliant

yep, props to Klaatu for that sneaky red dawning on us

inclined to see it BBB's way, and the notion that WDR might be or become a true #1, I don't get at all. We had a few glimpses, and he fit in with what Kafka was scheming, but to suggest he might become a #1 and set up the passing game accordingly is way over rating a 2nd round pick who seems to have been overdrafted.

If the Iowa Edge is the #1 BPA on their board, don't force a WR, we've seen the error of that before (including '22?). I am looking forward very much to JS's and BB's thought processes as they go round by round. A shocker, I know, but the Giants have a lot of holes to fill, and that won't end with this draft.

I loved what he did for us last year, and it was fun watching him expose Patrick Peterson. I just try to keep his performance in perspective. His contract guarantees nothing, and the Bills brain trust that saw him every day for three years (including the part of the organization that relocated to New Jersey in 2022) regarded him as practice squad material - as did the rest of the League.

Did he prove them wrong in the second half of 2022? Or did he just reach his ceiling, the height of which accounted for his low valuation all along? Did the Eagles show the League how to erase Isaiah Hodgins, or was that playoff rout just a perfect storm of unfavorable matchups?

We need a true #1 and #2 for our offense to be successful.

Also: The real question is: What will this group look like Week 2, when veterans can be signed without guaranteed deals.

Plus other teams’ camp cuts may be signed. The WR depth chart could look entirely different by Week 3.

In comment 16069965 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Did the Eagles show the League how to erase Isaiah Hodgins, or was that playoff rout just a perfect storm of unfavorable matchups?

The Eagles neutralized him by basically doubling him because the other WRs were easily covered and that included Slayton.

He is a decent #3.

doesn't Slayton's new deal provide for some guaranteed $$? Unless I'm wrong, I can't see his as training camp cut

The Giants probs won’t spend more than 1 high pick on a WR but it’s still the biggest need on the team.

would be shocked if they dont do that.

last year the team played approximated 1100 offensive snaps. so snaps up for grabs are 1100 times the # of WRs on field (3k total?). with waller and bellinger there's probably more 2 TE looks, but they did a lot of 2/3 TE last year too. and waller spends half his time aligned as a Wr.

in half the season hodgins filled 400, so i think it's safe to estimate him in for about 800.

campbell played almost 1000 for indy, and likely takes over the primary slot duties with robinson likely on PUP. shepard too probably.

slayton played 700. i dont expect his role to dramatically increase or decrease.

smith and collin johnson are depth guys who will make it or not on st (same with any of the long shots like pimpleton).

add all of that up and there's at least 500 snaps to fill, and i suspect they will take someone high enough that they can be a solution over multiple years since pretty much nobody except wandale is a lock to be here beyond 2023. they value players who have inside/outside flexibility so whoever they take will likely be able to compete for reps across the board with hodgins, campbell, or slayton and any of those is a winnable battle for a quality rookie WR. all of the top wrs in jeremiah's top 50 played a mix of slot/wide so if any are on the board when the nyg pick i think they'll be high on their consideration list. adding any of jsn/addison/hyatt/flowers would give this offense another level of potential from where it is now if they are the best value on the board.

In comment 16069925 Klaatu said:

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and none of them have any names, so you know what that means

no #1 receiver. I think they still might draft two receivers, one in the first or second round, a #1 type and one mid to late rounds to compete. Shep is a huge question mark and WanDale could end up on PUP. I only see Slayton, Hodgins and Campbell as being available WRs right now!

I think alot of WR will be off the board by then and simpson is BPA

the one name possibly available at 25 I could see is Addison, but depends who/positionally is there. Maybe use some Day 3 picks to move up in the 2nd?

btw I think you should look at some of the available GM slots and throw your hat in the ring (:

"8" for $1,000 Alex.

"How many 1st and 2nd round draft picks and expensive free agents will it take for Dan Jones to still not hit his bonus?"

You boys and girls are doing good work getting your excuses in early and avoiding the rush during the season.

;0)

In comment 16070008 ColHowPepper said:

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doesn't Slayton's new deal provide for some guaranteed $$? Unless I'm wrong, I can't see his as training camp cut

Cutting Slayton this year would generate a $700k cap hit and leave $4.9m in dead cap. Not too bad but probably not likely either.

Hard to see it not happening round 1 or latest round 2.

In comment 16070095 ColHowPepper said:

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the one name possibly available at 25 I could see is Addison, but depends who/positionally is there. Maybe use some Day 3 picks to move up in the 2nd? btw I think you should look at some of the available GM slots and throw your hat in the ring (:

i think jsn is the clear wr1 and gone but the rest of the order is tough to peg. last year 6 WRs went top 18. JSN, Hyatt, Addison, Flowers, Johnson are 5 that certainly have a chance but i wouldnt be surprised if 1 or more falls. last year's run was in the early teens then from pick #18 (burks) to pick #43 (wandale) the only WR selected in between was christian watson (#34).

the good news is if there's a run on WRs early that means a really talented CB or Edge probably falls the nyg. i think it's really likely they choose from 1 of those 3 positions at 25 (and probably round 2 also).

In comment 16070235 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16070095 ColHowPepper said: Quote: the one name possibly available at 25 I could see is Addison, but depends who/positionally is there. Maybe use some Day 3 picks to move up in the 2nd? btw I think you should look at some of the available GM slots and throw your hat in the ring (: i think jsn is the clear wr1 and gone but the rest of the order is tough to peg. last year 6 WRs went top 18. JSN, Hyatt, Addison, Flowers, Johnson are 5 that certainly have a chance but i wouldnt be surprised if 1 or more falls. last year's run was in the early teens then from pick #18 (burks) to pick #43 (wandale) the only WR selected in between was christian watson (#34). the good news is if there's a run on WRs early that means a really talented CB or Edge probably falls the nyg. i think it's really likely they choose from 1 of those 3 positions at 25 (and probably round 2 also).

It does seem those would be the top 3 pptions for round 1 and 2 by a pretty good margin. OL as a darkhorse.

In comment 16069943 Giantsfan79 said:

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I take issue with one of your points, Hodgkin's is not the same player he was 10 months ago. You have to think he's learned some stuff that helped him produce last season. Also I think it's a certainty he wouldn't pass through waivers this off-season if the Giants cut him

Maybe his next step in development will include fans learning his name.

25
Brian Branch
S | Alabama
57
Jack Campbell
LB | Iowa
89
D.J. Turner
CB | Michigan
128
K.J. Henry
EDGE | Clemson
160
Ricky Stromberg
IOL | Arkansas
172
Ryan Hayes
OT | Michigan
209
Dante Stills
DL | West Virginia
240
C.J. Johnson
WR | East Carolina
243
Jared Wayne
WR | Pittsburgh
254
Juice Scruggs
IOL | Penn State

Maybe just a little eccentric.