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New LT Benchmark: Tunsil - 3yrs / $75M / $50M Guaranteed

guitarguybs12 : 3/19/2023 9:56 am
Highest Paid Tackle In History.

Numbers To Keep In Mind For Thomas...

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Ian Rapoport
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Per Saint Omni, #Texans star LT Laremy Tunsil is once again the highest-paid tackle in NFL history, securing a 3-year deal worth $75M with $50M fully guaranteed and $60M in total guarantees. The blindside protector does a true reset on the market. Tunsil represented himself.
If Thomas continues  
Biteymax22 : 3/19/2023 10:02 am : link
To play like he has, I would expect 5 for 150, with 100 guaranteed isn’t off the table. He’s 5 years younger than Tunsil and will be negotiating in a year where the cap is much higher.
And Jerry Reese passed  
Earl the goat : 3/19/2023 10:06 am : link
On him cause of a gas mask
So forget  
Joe Beckwith : 3/19/2023 10:10 am : link
about extending AT now.
The new number for him will likely start at $20-$22M.
RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
smshmth8690 : 3/19/2023 10:10 am : link
In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:
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On him cause of a gas mask


^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
Reese likely had no choice  
bluepepper : 3/19/2023 10:14 am : link
No way John Mara would have signed off on the pick after that came out. He probably came immediately off our board.
RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
section125 : 3/19/2023 10:16 am : link
In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:
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On him cause of a gas mask


A lot of people passed. A lot of people get fired and lose jobs on crap posted online. He is also on his 3rd team, now? Yes he is good.
RE: Reese likely had no choice  
Toth029 : 3/19/2023 10:19 am : link
In comment 16069999 bluepepper said:
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No way John Mara would have signed off on the pick after that came out. He probably came immediately off our board.


It's okay. He passed on Andrew Whitworth too for Ereck Flowers and Bobby Hart.
RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
Toth029 : 3/19/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16070000 section125 said:
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In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:


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On him cause of a gas mask



A lot of people passed. A lot of people get fired and lose jobs on crap posted online. He is also on his 3rd team, now? Yes he is good.


2nd team.
It’s ok that they passed on him  
Mattman : 3/19/2023 10:24 am : link
After telegraphing the need for a rack and missing out on selecting jack conklin they picked the high character guy in Eli apple
RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
ShocktoBeck : 3/19/2023 10:30 am : link
In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:
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On him cause of a gas mask

Not Reese, the Giants. The Giants had a shot at Lael Collins (in the 3rd round) and Tunsil in back to back drafts, when the Giants were in horrible OL shape, and passed on both b/c of “The Giants Way”.

The players selected instead had a meaningless Giant career.

It’s what happens when ownership/management cares more about maintaining a certain image than beating the competition.

It was nice to get those pics of kicked trash bins and reports of frustration in the years that followed. It sure made up for it.
For Eli Apple  
gtt350 : 3/19/2023 10:49 am : link
We also passed on Warren Sapp and Randy Moss all because of marijuana. What a joke
Easy to talk now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2023 11:06 am : link
I don't expect many on BBI would have been ok with drafting him minutes after that gas mask video was released during the draft.
He also wasn't on the short list for the nyg pick  
JonC : 3/19/2023 11:09 am : link
but, carry on wasting your energy.
RE: For Eli Apple  
j_rud : 3/19/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16070027 gtt350 said:
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We also passed on Warren Sapp and Randy Moss all because of marijuana. What a joke


And in the same era gave Christian Peter a shot. But my personal favorite was the 2021 draft and passing on Parsons due to "character concerns" only to draft a malingerer who drives around with a loaded AR in the backseat because he's feuding with townies.
RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
eli4life : 3/19/2023 11:16 am : link
In comment 16069997 smshmth8690 said:
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On him cause of a gas mask



^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^


And???? A lot of teams passed on him. Maybe we should grab these guys and be just like Dallas Cleveland or the raiders because it’s done so much for them.

Personally I’ve never had an issue with players smoking pot but let’s not act like the stigmatism about pot hasn’t come a long long way in 7 years
I think Schoen is  
Dave on the UWS : 3/19/2023 11:16 am : link
well aware of what he will have to pay Thomas and Dex. McKinney will be murkier because of his injuries. Everything he does this year is with an eye towards 24, 25 and 26. I wouldn’t worry. JS is not going to lose players he wants to keep.
RE: RE: For Eli Apple  
section125 : 3/19/2023 11:25 am : link
In comment 16070042 j_rud said:
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We also passed on Warren Sapp and Randy Moss all because of marijuana. What a joke



And in the same era gave Christian Peter a shot. But my personal favorite was the 2021 draft and passing on Parsons due to "character concerns" only to draft a malingerer who drives around with a loaded AR in the backseat because he's feuding with townies.


Good point...even if the AR was legal...it was weird.

I don't get what the reasons were for Parson being passed on, except that his own college coach was with the Giants.
Jrud wins for using the word  
cosmicj : 3/19/2023 11:28 am : link
“Malingerer.”
RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
Milton : 3/19/2023 11:37 am : link
In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:
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On him cause of a gas mask
Or Tom Coughlin or John Mara. When something like that happens, it's an organizational decision. We can't keep blaming Jerry Reese for every personnel move when it was clear that Coughlin had more say than any Giants head coach has ever had, including Parcells.
RE: So forget  
Payasdaddy : 3/19/2023 11:45 am : link
In comment 16069996 Joe Beckwith said:
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about extending AT now.
The new number for him will likely start at $20-$22M.


Franchise tag will work well here if needed
At , x and dexter will eat up 60 million of cap in 2024. Cap is also going up quiet a bit in 24 and probably 25
RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
Ivan15 : 3/19/2023 12:21 pm : link
In comment 16070012 ShocktoBeck said:
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In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:


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On him cause of a gas mask


Not Reese, the Giants. The Giants had a shot at Lael Collins (in the 3rd round) and Tunsil in back to back drafts, when the Giants were in horrible OL shape, and passed on both b/c of “The Giants Way”.

The players selected instead had a meaningless Giant career.

It’s what happens when ownership/management cares more about maintaining a certain image than beating the competition.

It was nice to get those pics of kicked trash bins and reports of frustration in the years that followed. It sure made up for it.
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And you don’t think Schoen has an image of what this team should look like and how the players should present themselves? Don’t you think he is passing on certain players because they have off-field issues? He has an image of what will make a team successful and he is working to get and keep players who fit that image, and I bet it isn’t much different than the image the owners have.
RE: For Eli Apple  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/19/2023 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16070027 gtt350 said:
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We also passed on Warren Sapp and Randy Moss all because of marijuana. What a joke


Sapp and Moss were picked before the Giants selected.

What are you talking about?
RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
BigBlueinDE : 3/19/2023 2:06 pm : link
In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:
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On him cause of a gas mask


A lot of teams did.
RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2023 2:42 pm : link
In comment 16070012 ShocktoBeck said:
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In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:


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On him cause of a gas mask


Not Reese, the Giants. The Giants had a shot at Lael Collins (in the 3rd round) and Tunsil in back to back drafts, when the Giants were in horrible OL shape, and passed on both b/c of “The Giants Way”.

The players selected instead had a meaningless Giant career.

It’s what happens when ownership/management cares more about maintaining a certain image than beating the competition.

It was nice to get those pics of kicked trash bins and reports of frustration in the years that followed. It sure made up for it.


If you remove Reese's first two years he was one of the worms in GIants history. All GMs make mistakes. But his records after was worse than anything Gettlman did. He passes on Max Unger for a Clint Sintum. Bobby Wagner and Corey Glenn for David Wilson. There's no DG of Reese doesn't hire Mark Ross and stick his head up his ass for 7 years.

The calls for people here how he deserves another shot are amazing
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ShocktoBeck : 3/19/2023 5:32 pm : link
In comment 16070140 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:


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On him cause of a gas mask


Not Reese, the Giants. The Giants had a shot at Lael Collins (in the 3rd round) and Tunsil in back to back drafts, when the Giants were in horrible OL shape, and passed on both b/c of “The Giants Way”.

The players selected instead had a meaningless Giant career.

It’s what happens when ownership/management cares more about maintaining a certain image than beating the competition.

It was nice to get those pics of kicked trash bins and reports of frustration in the years that followed. It sure made up for it.



If you remove Reese's first two years he was one of the worms in GIants history. All GMs make mistakes. But his records after was worse than anything Gettlman did. He passes on Max Unger for a Clint Sintum. Bobby Wagner and Corey Glenn for David Wilson. There's no DG of Reese doesn't hire Mark Ross and stick his head up his ass for 7 years.

The calls for people here how he deserves another shot are amazing

Agree and this wasn’t a defense of Reese’s tenure (I will argue though he had excellent first 4 years - his FA class of 2009 contributed a lot to the 2011 SB, and he replaced Plax and Toomer with Nicks (drafted at the end of round 1), Cruz (UDFA he found) and Mario (3rd round) with excellent results (excellent value).

Having said that, my post was reflective of the fact I am not sure it was Reese’s call to avoid Tunsil and Collins. I am willing to bet he recognised the value of Tunsil at no.10 and Collins in the 3rd round, but was ordered not to draft them.

The talk re the players representing something is overboard. They represent nothing apart from their record. The best player NYG ever had is a character guilty of behaviours way way way worse than anything associated with Tunsil and Collins. This notion that NYG can only employ good boys like Eli and Jones is hypocritical.
Tunsil and Collins turned out to be excellent professionals. A serious DD conducted on them pre draft should have projected that. Avoiding them for the reasons it was done was dumb.
So what do passing on players in the past  
Larry in Pencilvania : 3/19/2023 6:37 pm : link
Have to do with Schoen. Some of you need to let shit go. Reese and DG sucked I get it. We have the LT we need. What we need are interior linemen
RE: So what do passing on players in the past  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/19/2023 6:48 pm : link
In comment 16070266 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Have to do with Schoen. Some of you need to let shit go. Reese and DG sucked I get it. We have the LT we need. What we need are interior linemen


Yeah I’m surprised they haven’t made any moves there. I was hoping they’d have some interest in someone like Ben Jones at C.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2023 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16070237 ShocktoBeck said:
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On him cause of a gas mask


Not Reese, the Giants. The Giants had a shot at Lael Collins (in the 3rd round) and Tunsil in back to back drafts, when the Giants were in horrible OL shape, and passed on both b/c of “The Giants Way”.

The players selected instead had a meaningless Giant career.

It’s what happens when ownership/management cares more about maintaining a certain image than beating the competition.

It was nice to get those pics of kicked trash bins and reports of frustration in the years that followed. It sure made up for it.



If you remove Reese's first two years he was one of the worms in GIants history. All GMs make mistakes. But his records after was worse than anything Gettlman did. He passes on Max Unger for a Clint Sintum. Bobby Wagner and Corey Glenn for David Wilson. There's no DG of Reese doesn't hire Mark Ross and stick his head up his ass for 7 years.

The calls for people here how he deserves another shot are amazing


Agree and this wasn’t a defense of Reese’s tenure (I will argue though he had excellent first 4 years - his FA class of 2009 contributed a lot to the 2011 SB, and he replaced Plax and Toomer with Nicks (drafted at the end of round 1), Cruz (UDFA he found) and Mario (3rd round) with excellent results (excellent value).

Having said that, my post was reflective of the fact I am not sure it was Reese’s call to avoid Tunsil and Collins. I am willing to bet he recognised the value of Tunsil at no.10 and Collins in the 3rd round, but was ordered not to draft them.

The talk re the players representing something is overboard. They represent nothing apart from their record. The best player NYG ever had is a character guilty of behaviours way way way worse than anything associated with Tunsil and Collins. This notion that NYG can only employ good boys like Eli and Jones is hypocritical.
Tunsil and Collins turned out to be excellent professionals. A serious DD conducted on them pre draft should have projected that. Avoiding them for the reasons it was done was dumb.


I’ll agree w you on how we just don’t know if Reese had the full autonomy w early high profile early picks. My criticism of his tenure is the draft more than his FA picks all GMs.

To your second point while it any GM or owner thinks that that mask pic was beyond the pale they are idiots. There may be less than 25 % of the total NFL that hasnt smoked or snorted or taken Something. It’s just silly.

They drafted DeAndre Baker didn’t they. Highly doubt he passed the Boy Scout eagle test

RE: RE: And Jerry Reese passed  
NJ-GMenFan : 3/20/2023 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16070000 section125 said:
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In comment 16069994 Earl the goat said:


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On him cause of a gas mask

Miami = 1
Houston = 2
I don’t see a 3rd team

A lot of people passed. A lot of people get fired and lose jobs on crap posted online. He is also on his 3rd team, now? Yes he is good.
RE: For Eli Apple  
Joey in VA : 3/20/2023 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16070027 gtt350 said:
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We also passed on Warren Sapp and Randy Moss all because of marijuana. What a joke
Do you know where you are? I'm afraid the senility is taking over.
yes my bad, we picked after them but they fell due to pot useage  
gtt350 : 3/21/2023 12:40 pm : link
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