Per Doug Rush, the New York Football Giants are listed by Over the Cap at $3.83M.
Bobby Okereke’s cap number is $5M.
Parris Campbell’s is $4.9M
Darius Slayton’s is $4.2M
Darren Waller’s after his restructure is $4M.
Nacho’s is $2.6M.
Matt Breida’s is $1.4M.
Jeff Smith’s is $1.2M.
Players who could get their contracts re-worked to free up cap space:
Leonard Williams: $32M
Adoree Jackson: $19M
Dexter Lawrence: $12.4M (5th-year option)
Saquon Barkley: $10.1M (non-exclusive franchise tag)
assuming they make all 10 picks and choose to sign about 8 UDFAs (half as many as last year), that would take them to 85 roster spots and roughly 5 spots left for vets. they will of course cycle some guys in and out on the back end but i think those are reasonable over/unders.
1 of those slots is likely Feliciano (or some other secret veteran C addition).
we know Robinson is visiting tomorrow so 1 will probably be DL even if it's not him.
got to think there are a few DBs on their radar too. at least 1 to replace love and another to replace (or bring back) moureau.
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
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I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
Of course, any reworking of contracts to increase 2023 cap space would reduce the number for 24 and beyond.
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
HUGE! Single-handedly won 3-4 games by “himself,” prior to his shoulder injury. No other guy at his position came close
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
HUGE! Single-handedly won 3-4 games by “himself,” prior to his shoulder injury. No other guy at his position came close
Getting rid of Barkley would change the entire dynamic of the offense and not in a good way. Why are we depleting the only weapons we have for Jones?! NO!
They need to figure out something with LW and AJ and extend DL and Barkley. Trading Barkley would be foolish. He’s not easily replaceable like many want to think. Hopefully the slow market for RBs brings his number down a little. He fumbled the bag though, doubt the Giants are bringing back that offer
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
HUGE! Single-handedly won 3-4 games by “himself,” prior to his shoulder injury. No other guy at his position came close
I generally agree that you can’t go crazy spending on a RB. However, it’s not simple to just pick up players that have Barkley’s skill set in the mid rounds.
Buffalo is a great example. They’ve drafted Singletary (3rd round), Zack Moss (3rd round) and James Cook (2nd round) over the past 5 years and none of them have really panned out. Singletary is a FA, Moss was traded to the Colts, and the jury is still out on Cook. Rumor is they are looking at Zeke right now. If they had a Barkley caliber back we might be talking about how they won the SB a few years ago. As terrific as Josh Allen is, it’s clear he could use some backfield help.
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
True, and for that reason I assume they will try to rework contracts (Leo and maybe Adoree) instead. Schoen has also given no indication that he intends to trade Barkley, probably at least to some extent for the reason you stated. I also don't think he'd get much in return, maybe a third. Anyone who trades for Barkley will have to accept him as a one year rental if they can't extend him, which given his contract demands, seems unlikely. That drives down his trade value, as does his injury history, the fact that the RB position has been devalued, and the fact that the draft is loaded with good RBs.
I'd take a third for Barkley and hope to also get a day three pick next year and in 2025.
Saquon is a weapon. Yes he dances too much, is not great in pass pro and doesn't put his should down enough and bowl guys over.
But he is a threat to break it every time he touches the ball. He creates opportunities for the other skill players.
Last year, defenses often had a guy assigned to Saquon. They could get away with it because Giants had nothing at WR or TE.
Now with Waller, hopefully Wandale and a #1 WR, defenses won't be able to key on Saquon. The Giants will have speed at every skill position and the offense could quickly go from a liability to a unit that other teams don't want to face.
They’ll be able to find the cap space to add whatever remains on their agenda.
I would absolutely love to glutonously see them add A’Shaun Robinson to stop the run and Calais Campbell to provide that A gap pressure on passing downs. Maybe instead of a “hometown” discount we get a “Wink Defense” discount cause they feel they’d thrive here.
And agree with those who would like to upgrade the veteran CB from Moreau, within reasonable cost and commitment.
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
Again, your point is valid but in a vacuum. If we move from Barkley the assumption is we would use cap space to sign others or make a trade.
This idea that Barkley being here makes a huge difference is solely dependent on him wanting to play on the tag or to agree to what has been offered. But, the tag part does limit us slightly and overall there was a reason the Giants made Jones the priority and Barkley secondary.
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In comment 16070142 Big Blue '56 said:
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in there?
I would assume it is. Lw's contract would be the most obvious place we look but Barkley's $10 mil is the tag, if we get the sense he won't sign it maybe we move him for picks this year.
I am still of the mindset that I would rather draft a guy mid rounds and save the $10 mil cap space for other additions.
With no significant threats at WR losing Barkley would be a huge blow to this offense.
Again, your point is valid but in a vacuum. If we move from Barkley the assumption is we would use cap space to sign others or make a trade.
This idea that Barkley being here makes a huge difference is solely dependent on him wanting to play on the tag or to agree to what has been offered. But, the tag part does limit us slightly and overall there was a reason the Giants made Jones the priority and Barkley secondary.
I get your point, but at this point there’s not much left in FA. They would have had to trade him weeks ago to help the team this season.
Saquon is a weapon. Yes he dances too much, is not great in pass pro and doesn't put his should down enough and bowl guys over.
But he is a threat to break it every time he touches the ball. He creates opportunities for the other skill players.
Last year, defenses often had a guy assigned to Saquon. They could get away with it because Giants had nothing at WR or TE.
Now with Waller, hopefully Wandale and a #1 WR, defenses won't be able to key on Saquon. The Giants will have speed at every skill position and the offense could quickly go from a liability to a unit that other teams don't want to face.
Saquon danced a lot less last yr and carried us a few games. Not as much as a breakaway threat but still can get 40 yards runs. Just not the 80 yd types like his rookie season. That ok with me. I am down with a 3 yr deal that’s a bit more backload. Think he can play effectively thru his 28 bday.