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Sy'56 comments on the the centers in the draft

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2023 4:04 pm
David Syvertsen @Ourlads_Sy

Replying to @DanSchneierNFL

The issue I see with this OC class is the lack of lateral speed. Tippman and Wypler can get you a solid first step, but not sure they can play with the range Feliciano showed

Outside zone concepts will make it tough with any of the starting caliber OCs from this group
Is that a skill that can be learned  
BUgiantfan : 3/19/2023 4:07 pm : link
or is it a physical limitation that creates a hard ceiling on their development?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/19/2023 4:08 pm : link
It sucks that Gates got injured in September '21 because I think he was developing into a good center.
Center  
stretch234 : 3/19/2023 4:18 pm : link
I think Bredeson is going to be the center
Curious to see how Sy’s comments will be received  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/19/2023 4:21 pm : link
By the small but vocal contingency on BBI hoping for a C at 25?

Might his comments nudge them toward accepting C might not BPA in the first, and be better addressed on day 2 or 3?

If I had to wager on what’s most likely to happen, Sy’s comments would make me more confident on Feliciano returning and a day 3 developmental center or guard to cross train.
JMS  
Breeze_94 : 3/19/2023 4:21 pm : link
From Minnesota seems like he’s head and shoulders above the rest of the C’s. But taking a 24 year old center in the first round is quite uninspiring.
Or draft Cody Mauch...  
Milton : 3/19/2023 4:27 pm : link
And convert him to center.
Wisconsin Alum Here  
AG5686 : 3/19/2023 4:33 pm : link
So obviously I would love to get Tipmann in the 3rd round.
But the guy I really respect is Oluwatimi out of Michigan.
When we played the Wolverines,he was the best lineman on the field...IMHO
It’s not a huge mystery why Schoen likes Tackles  
DavidinBMNY : 3/19/2023 4:49 pm : link
Many have good agility. I’d they draft an OL it could be a lower regarded tackle they convert, later in the draft.
RE: Wisconsin Alum Here  
Joe Beckwith : 3/19/2023 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16070183 AG5686 said:
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So obviously I would love to get Tipmann in the 3rd round.
But the guy I really respect is Oluwatimi out of Michigan.
When we played the Wolverines,he was the best lineman on the field...IMHO


A biased UM fan here, but OO WAS the Remington award winner this year.
I’ll leave it to Sy’56 and the way better evaluators than me to analyze him. In a way I wish we still had the 2nd 3 because I don’t think he makes it to our 4th round slot.
RE: It’s not a huge mystery why Schoen likes Tackles  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/19/2023 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16070189 DavidinBMNY said:
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Many have good agility. I’d they draft an OL it could be a lower regarded tackle they convert, later in the draft.


Interesting … I’m not disagreeing but it seems some here are tired of trying to develop centers and want to just draft a guy who has played the position. But apparently there are very few that are big enough to do what Schoen and Daboll want from them. How many draftable college OTs have experience at C?
Might keep an eye on  
section125 : 3/19/2023 5:02 pm : link
Ezeudu for Center.
Champion of the West...  
AG5686 : 3/19/2023 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16070198 Joe Beckwith said:
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So obviously I would love to get Tipmann in the 3rd round.
But the guy I really respect is Oluwatimi out of Michigan.
When we played the Wolverines,he was the best lineman on the field...IMHO



A biased UM fan here, but OO WAS the Remington award winner this year.
I’ll leave it to Sy’56 and the way better evaluators than me to analyze him. In a way I wish we still had the 2nd 3 because I don’t think he makes it to our 4th round slot.

OO should be there in the 4th
RE: Might keep an eye on  
BillT : 3/19/2023 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16070203 section125 said:
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Ezeudu for Center.

Have to think they see him at LG for the long term. His mobility makes him perfect for that spot. Making at least one position worse by moving him, maybe two.
Seems to be a functional disconnect between Tippmann  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/19/2023 5:23 pm : link
athletic testing numbers and what Sy is seeing on game tape.

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
Jarrett Patterson or Ricky Stromberg  
Anakim : 3/19/2023 5:24 pm : link
Patterson was awesome when he played C a year ago
it's unlikely any rookie center is beating out a vet w/ experience  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2023 5:27 pm : link
it would be shocking if they dont bring back feliciano (or have some other surprise move up their sleeve for a veteran).

drafting a guy to groom behind feliciano makes a ton of sense, as would cross training bredeson in case the best option at lg is ezeudu. going into the draft without a starting center under contract after letting 2 quality candidates walk for reason $ would be dumb enough that it seems unlikely.
RE: Seems to be a functional disconnect between Tippmann  
Payasdaddy : 3/19/2023 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16070225 Bob in Newburgh said:
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athletic testing numbers and what Sy is seeing on game tape.

Any enlightenment would be appreciated.

Sy is pretty damn good in his analysis
But it’s not fool proof and giants scouts may see it differently
Not against BB, SL and rookie ducking it out for OC/ OG
Feliciano was pretty decent at some points and just meh on others.
He has his good and bad. If we want to beat Philly and SF dline, we still have to improve
Would not be against Torrance in first if grade warrants it. Him and Neal should blow open holes in run game. ( I expect some improvement by Neal. Don’t know if it will be enough. But think he will put in the work)
RE: RE: Might keep an eye on  
section125 : 3/19/2023 5:30 pm : link
In comment 16070217 BillT said:
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Ezeudu for Center.


Have to think they see him at LG for the long term. His mobility makes him perfect for that spot. Making at least one position worse by moving him, maybe two.


Not really. If he is a good center, then he is a good center and it solves one position. Then need LG, C and RG - even if they are stuck with Glowinski another year. Remember, Feliciano moved pretty well pulling too.
RE: Might keep an eye on  
Milton : 3/19/2023 8:01 pm : link
In comment 16070203 section125 said:
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Ezeudu for Center.
Lemieux is another option. He's taken snaps at center during practices for both the the Shurmer and Daboll coaching staffs.
RE: RE: Might keep an eye on  
TommyWiseau : 3/19/2023 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16070320 Milton said:
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Ezeudu for Center.

Lemieux is another option. He's taken snaps at center during practices for both the the Shurmer and Daboll coaching staffs.


Hes been nothing but bad his entire tenure, I would not count on him
RE: Curious to see how Sy’s comments will be received  
81_Great_Dane : 3/19/2023 8:40 pm : link
In comment 16070177 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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By the small but vocal contingency on BBI hoping for a C at 25?

Might his comments nudge them toward accepting C might not BPA in the first, and be better addressed on day 2 or 3?

If I had to wager on what’s most likely to happen, Sy’s comments would make me more confident on Feliciano returning and a day 3 developmental center or guard to cross train.
Any center drafted at 25 better be All-Pro for multiple years and in the conversation for HoF by the time he retires.
Feliciano was pushed backwards into the pocket  
Since1965 : 3/19/2023 10:48 pm : link
far too often.
RE: RE: RE: Might keep an eye on  
barens : 3/20/2023 8:08 am : link
In comment 16070322 TommyWiseau said:
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Ezeudu for Center.

Lemieux is another option. He's taken snaps at center during practices for both the the Shurmer and Daboll coaching staffs.



Hes been nothing but bad his entire tenure, I would not count on him


His entire tenure? He had a pretty good rookie year, showed promise until the injury.
RE: RE: RE: Might keep an eye on  
Milton : 3/20/2023 8:27 am : link
In comment 16070322 TommyWiseau said:
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Lemieux is another option. He's taken snaps at center during practices for both the the Shurmer and Daboll coaching staffs.



He's been nothing but bad his entire tenure, I would not count on him
Lemieux is one of those OL in which center may be his best position. This was said of Feliciano when moved to center and has also been said of Ezeudu (by his college coach). With Lemieux and Feliciano it has to do with toughness, leadership, and smarts. With Ezeudu I think it's mostly talent and smarts (he was a Day 2 pick, the other two were Day 3 picks).
RE: Might keep an eye on  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/20/2023 8:46 am : link
In comment 16070203 section125 said:
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Ezeudu for Center.


+1
Cody Mauch  
Mike in NY : 3/20/2023 9:08 am : link
And move him to one of the 3 interior OL spots
IDK much about IOL play, but Ricky Stromberg of Arkansas looks  
Anakim : 3/20/2023 10:19 am : link
promising. Lance Zierlein wrote the following:


"Stromberg generates decent movement at the point of attack and is well-schooled with landmarks as a zone blocker."



Maybe he can be had in the fourth round and can start right away
RE: Cody Mauch  
barens : 3/20/2023 10:52 am : link
In comment 16070513 Mike in NY said:
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And move him to one of the 3 interior OL spots


Big fan of Mauch, he can play all 5 positions on the OL. Baldinger loves him.
Lemieux isn't a Center and can't even stay on the field  
chick310 : 3/20/2023 11:23 am : link
for more than a game or so as a Guard so that is simply a bad idea. Feliciano was a project stop-gap that didn't work well as a starter. And Ezeudu is a future Guard for us.

Stop with the experiments and retreads at Center, at least Starting Center.

Invest in a relatively average experienced starter in Free Agency if there any (not sure) and make a draft investment here in 2023, and maybe again in 2024 if the evals this year are just lukewarm on Centers.

But it needs new investment.

RE: RE: Cody Mauch  
Mike in NY : 3/20/2023 11:31 am : link
In comment 16070597 barens said:
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And move him to one of the 3 interior OL spots



Big fan of Mauch, he can play all 5 positions on the OL. Baldinger loves him.


While nobody will outcompete him, I think the physical limitations might be too much at OT. That being said, on the inside I really like his potential. He is one of my fallbacks if Gonzalez, Witherspoon, Porter, Addison, JSN, and Hyatt are off the board.
RE: RE: RE: Cody Mauch  
barens : 3/20/2023 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16070619 Mike in NY said:
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And move him to one of the 3 interior OL spots



Big fan of Mauch, he can play all 5 positions on the OL. Baldinger loves him.



While nobody will outcompete him, I think the physical limitations might be too much at OT. That being said, on the inside I really like his potential. He is one of my fallbacks if Gonzalez, Witherspoon, Porter, Addison, JSN, and Hyatt are off the board.


And I'd take that in a heartbeat.
RE: RE: Might keep an eye on  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/20/2023 3:07 pm : link
In comment 16070320 Milton said:
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Ezeudu for Center.

Lemieux is another option. He's taken snaps at center during practices for both the the Shurmer and Daboll coaching staffs.

Not sure Lemieux could even reach the ball with his T-Rex arms.
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