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Giants Favorite - ILB Trenton Simpson, Clemson

mittenedman : 3/19/2023 8:57 pm


The Giants sent the entire brigade down to Clemson's Pro Day. Wink Martindale, Bryan Cox, Eggs and Jerome Henderson. Wink really likes someone down there. Eggs worked out Thompson, who's currently being projected as a top 25-50 pick.

Simpson measured 6'2" 235 lbs. and had the following workout numbers:

40: 4.43
Bench: 25
3-Cone: 6.89
Vertical: 40.5"
Broad: 9'10"

Last 2 years: 124 tackles, 64 stops, 9 sacks, 6 PDs, 2 FFs

According to TheDraftNetwork:
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Trenton Simpson has “explosive hitting power” and “electric range in coverage and pursuit,” per The Draft Network. Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale runs an ultra-aggressive scheme that relies on its inside linebackers to make athletic plays in the middle of the field. Simpson fits that bill perfectly, possessing rare tools and athleticism to get involved as a pass-rusher and coverage linebacker.


Reports were he performed well in interviews during the Combine.

Steelers GM Omar Kahn and HC Mike Tomlin were also there, and took Simpson to dinner that night. He said he talked to the Steelers, Titans and Giants the most during his Pro Day. They may be a threat to select Simpson before the Giants can.

Is anyone throwing the remote if Simpson's the guy? Adding Simpson's speed and playmaking ability next to Okereke would completely transform this defense. 2 highly skilled, sideline to sideline ILBs that can play all 3 downs, and shift inside/out.

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A-Gap Pressure  
Sy'56 : 3/19/2023 9:01 pm : link
Bresee
I wouldn't throw the remote,  
Angel Eyes : 3/19/2023 9:02 pm : link
I'm more curious about how the Giants perceive Okereke. Is he a MIKE linebacker or a WILL linebacker?
if the Giants did decide to invest  
Giantsfan79 : 3/19/2023 9:04 pm : link
A 1st round pick on a LB for the first time in forever, he could fit the bill.

Does he have any medical flags or off field concerns?
I'm wondering if they seem him like Parsons  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2023 9:06 pm : link
Where he can play inside and outside. Also, with those numbers, if he can man up on backs and tight ends then he can even be looked at as a big safety. We know Wink basically has a positionless defense. I don't think a guy who is strictly an ILB is a guy that we would use a first round pick on as the snaps don't really show that this position is all that important for Wink's defenses. However, if he can rush the passer and cover then we are talking about a 3 down player and someone whose value is way higher than the position would have you believe.
Been banging the table for Simpson  
AG5686 : 3/19/2023 9:09 pm : link
For a few weeks now...and the addition of Okereke makes Simpson a perfect compliment in the middle of the linebacker corps
RE: A-Gap Pressure  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/19/2023 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16070344 Sy'56 said:
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Bresee


Any chance he drops to us at 25?
Sounds like he's more  
Bill in UT : 3/19/2023 9:11 pm : link
your favorite than the Giants' favorite.
Draft the player. Not the position.  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2023 9:14 pm : link
Bill B used to be the best at this. For some reason the Giants spent the last 25 years pretending LB wasn't important. Passing on good to great players. You can do this if you hit at least some home runs. I'm not saying this kid has to be the pick but teams like Pitt and the Pats have grabbed LBs and it was a big part of the teams success.

Nice to see them doing their due diligence at least. And IMO Wink is the best DC we've had since prime Spags his first run here
SY  
AG5686 : 3/19/2023 9:39 pm : link
In comment 16070344 Sy'56 said:
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Bresee

Do you think we take Bresee over Simpson,if they are both available at #25?
RE: A-Gap Pressure  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2023 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16070344 Sy'56 said:
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Bresee

I was thinking the same thing. I can't see the Giants taking an ILB at 25.
i think i'd expect murphy over bresee bc of the injuries  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2023 9:46 pm : link
but im a big bresee fan. this class of pass rushers is fascinating (IDL included) and it would not surprise me at all to see them add another one. whenever ojulari was out there was a noticeable drop off.
RE: RE: A-Gap Pressure  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2023 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16070366 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 16070344 Sy'56 said:


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Bresee


I was thinking the same thing. I can't see the Giants taking an ILB at 25.


agree jay, id be pretty surprised if they dont pick a receiver, cb, or pass rusher.
Wouldn’t read too much into it  
Breeze_94 : 3/19/2023 9:54 pm : link
Being Thompson. There is 3 first round prospects in their front 7. All could be there at 25. Also a couple of other mid round DLineman there too. They’d be crazy not to go to a pro day where they can scout all 3 in one shot…
RE: Wouldn’t read too much into it  
Breeze_94 : 3/19/2023 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16070374 Breeze_94 said:
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Being Thompson. There is 3 first round prospects in their front 7. All could be there at 25. Also a couple of other mid round DLineman there too. They’d be crazy not to go to a pro day where they can scout all 3 in one shot…


Simpson**
RE: RE: RE: A-Gap Pressure  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2023 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16070371 Eric on Li said:
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agree jay, id be pretty surprised if they dont pick a receiver, cb, or pass rusher.

After adding Okereke in FA a 1st round pick being used on another ILB seems like a luxury. They have Beavers, Davis, and McFadden competing for the other spot. I think they might draft another ILB but not until day 3.

I agree that they will take either a WR, CB, ER, or DT in round 1.
RE: RE: A-Gap Pressure  
Payasdaddy : 3/19/2023 10:09 pm : link
In comment 16070366 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 16070344 Sy'56 said:


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Bresee


I was thinking the same thing. I can't see the Giants taking an ILB at 25.


Thinking breese may slip and have some real value at 25 too
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Payasdaddy : 3/19/2023 10:11 pm : link
In comment 16070378 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 16070371 Eric on Li said:


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agree jay, id be pretty surprised if they dont pick a receiver, cb, or pass rusher.


After adding Okereke in FA a 1st round pick being used on another ILB seems like a luxury. They have Beavers, Davis, and McFadden competing for the other spot. I think they might draft another ILB but not until day 3.

I agree that they will take either a WR, CB, ER, or DT in round 1.


Can’t count on beavers, McFadden or Davis as anything more than situational
Maybe beavers if we are lucky. Get the best players. Imagine how much different D looks with 2 stud ILB and dline depth, especially if we sign ashawn and davidson pans out as serviceable. Be pretty damn electric
RE: if the Giants did decide to invest  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2023 10:59 pm : link
In comment 16070348 Giantsfan79 said:
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A 1st round pick on a LB for the first time in forever, he could fit the bill.

Does he have any medical flags or off field concerns?


Kayvon Thibodeaux.
The only remote thrower  
barens : 3/19/2023 11:53 pm : link
Pick would be a QB in the first round. Otherwise, meh, not sure how to feel about Quentin Johnson, but I’d be happy with just about anyone.

Love Simpson, Clemson has at least 4 defensive players Giants brass could be looking at
At #25 you take the best player  
section125 : 3/20/2023 5:47 am : link
on the board, and yes positional value may be a deciding factor between a few players. Yes CB and WR are needs, but so are about 3 or 4 other positions.
Every year BBI gets into groups that can only see their positional deficiency being the sole object for correction. The Giants are still a long way from being able to focus on a specific position group. Still far too many holes.

FWIW, Beavers, McFadden and Davis are not going to stand in the way of improvement at ILB(Simpson et al). Okereke is one of two necessary ILBs. You only need to look at the 49ers, Seahawks and even the Cowboys to see what two fast head hunters in the middle does for the defense. And Nacho is not going to keep them from going after upgrade along the Dline. Perhaps if they get Robinson they can look away from Dline.

Wink is adaptable. Like a chef, he can create from the ingredients he has available. Give him enough talent and he can fashion a workable defense.

Basically, the Giants are still talent deficient despite some FA upgrades. I still think they are merely an improved version of last year's team. They will still need to be almost turnover free and somewhat conservative on offense. Free agency has given them the flexibility to choose a few different positions at 25 and 57, they need not be dialed in only at WR and CB. They will not be "forced" to take a lesser player just to fill a hole; maybe they can get the #2 ILB or DL(resulting in a huge upgrade at that position, hypothetically) vs #5 CB or WR with only marginal improvement over what they have.

Fun time to be watching. I did not forsee Schoen being this active in FA.

Okerekee and Simpson would make an awesome pair of inside  
Ira : 3/20/2023 7:19 am : link
linebackers - both against the run, guarding backs and te's in pass protection and also as blitzers.
RE: i think i'd expect murphy over bresee bc of the injuries  
ColHowPepper : 3/20/2023 9:27 am : link
In comment 16070370 Eric on Li said:
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but im a big bresee fan. this class of pass rushers is fascinating (IDL included) and it would not surprise me at all to see them add another one. whenever ojulari was out there was a noticeable drop off.

I've been banging on the (just say no to) Ojulari drum for weeks.
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