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Cooks deal pave the way for a Hopkins deal?

CornerStone246+17 : 3/19/2023 10:16 pm
Current WRs in the division:

Cowboys: Lamb, Cooks and Gallup
Redskins: McLaurin, Dotson, Samuel
Eagles: Brown, Smith
Giants: Hodgins, Parris, Slayton

Big difference.

Could the Giants be waiting out Arizona? Cooks got 6 of his 18M salary paid by Houston. Maybe Giants get part of D-Hops salary paid and get him for a 3rd or 4th and a 5th. D-Hop might want to go to a team where he has a good chance to be the #1, play in a good system with a good QB. We could be that team.


NYG can clear roughly 14M with a Leo extension. About 8M with a Jackson extension. About 8M with a Dexter Lawrence extension. The have 3.5M right now.

Would be amazing if they could pull off a CB like Peters or Rock and a WR but guess we will see.
If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2023 10:19 pm : link
I’d be ecstatic. He’s got a few high end seasons left while the young receivers develop.
Would love that if possible  
GiantBlue : 3/19/2023 10:30 pm : link
Can then focus on CB and C in round 1 & 2.
RE: If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
Milton : 3/19/2023 10:53 pm : link
In comment 16070385 eric2425ny said:
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He’s got a few high end seasons left
That's assuming he doesn't get caught again for steroids. I'm not sure I want to pay the price in draft picks and millions on the hope that he can get away with cheating.
RE: If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/19/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16070385 eric2425ny said:
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I’d be ecstatic. He’s got a few high end seasons left while the young receivers develop.


Hopkins would be our bridge WR and still go round 1 or 2 or the WR in the draft. No even half decent WR on the team is signed for more than this year except Slayton I think. NYG will still need to get a guy they will have 4 to 5 years of cost control on and hopefully hit on him.
RE: RE: If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2023 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16070401 Milton said:
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He’s got a few high end seasons left

That's assuming he doesn't get caught again for steroids. I'm not sure I want to pay the price in draft picks and millions on the hope that he can get away with cheating.


He’s been in the league for a long time and never had any issues until last year. It sounds like this PED thing was bogus based on articles I have read. It’s not like he was hanging out with a bunch of pro wrestlers taking anabolic steroids.
RE: RE: If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2023 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16070402 CornerStone246+17 said:
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I’d be ecstatic. He’s got a few high end seasons left while the young receivers develop.



Hopkins would be our bridge WR and still go round 1 or 2 or the WR in the draft. No even half decent WR on the team is signed for more than this year except Slayton I think. NYG will still need to get a guy they will have 4 to 5 years of cost control on and hopefully hit on him.


100% agree with you.
RE: RE: If they find a way to get Hopkins on the cheap  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/19/2023 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16070401 Milton said:
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He’s got a few high end seasons left

That's assuming he doesn't get caught again for steroids. I'm not sure I want to pay the price in draft picks and millions on the hope that he can get away with cheating.


Last year he looked awfully good out there before he got hurt.
Hopkins in different situation than Cooks  
ZogZerg : 3/20/2023 7:05 am : link
No reason for Cards to give him away.
Some of you refuse to look  
section125 : 3/20/2023 7:11 am : link
at how much Hopkins costs and that he is after a contract extension. He'd be about $19 mill this year and $15 mill next year, getting him to 33 y/o and then he wants an extension.

Cannot see Schoen paying that while giving up a 2nd rnd pick.
OTC Arizona - ( New Window )
RE: Some of you refuse to look  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/20/2023 7:44 am : link
In comment 16070457 section125 said:
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at how much Hopkins costs and that he is after a contract extension. He'd be about $19 mill this year and $15 mill next year, getting him to 33 y/o and then he wants an extension.

Cannot see Schoen paying that while giving up a 2nd rnd pick. OTC Arizona - ( New Window )


Agreed, that's why the premise is based on Cards possibly paying part of the salary and cost be less than intial ask of a 2nd.
RE: Some of you refuse to look  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 7:55 am : link
In comment 16070457 section125 said:
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at how much Hopkins costs and that he is after a contract extension. He'd be about $19 mill this year and $15 mill next year, getting him to 33 y/o and then he wants an extension.

Cannot see Schoen paying that while giving up a 2nd rnd pick. OTC Arizona - ( New Window )


His age and cost are known. And while I wouldn’t trade a premium pick for him, I’d certainly be interested if he comes cheaper than expected, or has compensation that’s variable based on games played (a 3rd that can turn into a 2nd, for example).
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AcidTest : 3/20/2023 9:21 am : link
doubt the Giants were ever really interested in Hopkins given his salary and injury history. But if they were, that time has past, as it has with Jeudy, Sutton, etc. Aside from my personal desire not to do so, I'd be surprised if we even trade a day three pick or picks for a WR. I also don't see Arizona trading Hopkins for two day three picks and then paying a significant portion of his salary. If they were going to do the latter then they'd want at least one day two pick.

Trading for a WR was plan A. It failed. Trading for Waller and signing Campbell, Smith, and Slayton is plan B, along with drafting at least one WR no later than the end of day two.

Posters who think we should trade draft picks (including our first round pick) for veteran WRs think that based on our playoff appearance last season that we're just one or two players "away" from really being competitive. We're not. Despite making the playoffs last year, this team still has a ton of holes, especially on the OL, and at LB and CB.
RE: Some of you refuse to look  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 10:29 am : link
In comment 16070457 section125 said:
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at how much Hopkins costs and that he is after a contract extension. He'd be about $19 mill this year and $15 mill next year, getting him to 33 y/o and then he wants an extension.

Cannot see Schoen paying that while giving up a 2nd rnd pick. OTC Arizona - ( New Window )


Yeah but that's not how the money works. If the Giants trade for Hopkins and do nothing with an extension, he will count 19M this year and 15 next. That's actually a steal for Hopkins, however, the Giants have some cap restraints for this season so they'd prefer a lower cap hit year 1.

If the giants extend Hopkins, he will no longer have a 19M cap hit this year. They convert that to a bonus and his cap hit would probably be closer to 10M. The risk is that the cap hit will come later, but the giants have tons of room later.
Again with the injury history.  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 10:30 am : link
What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.
By the way,  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 10:35 am : link
I dont think Hopkins is in our plans. I think we filled out the room with vets and now they will draft someone. We are either going to have to be lucky in the draft or shop hungry next year.

We cannot go into NEXT season without a #1 QB for DJ.
Does anyone else...  
BamaBlue : 3/20/2023 11:08 am : link
see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?
RE: Does anyone else...  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 11:09 am : link
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see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?


LOL this is such nonsense.
RE: Does anyone else...  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 11:10 am : link
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see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?


No. What about Hopkins’ game reminds you of Kenny Golladay?
RE: Again with the injury history.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/20/2023 11:21 am : link
In comment 16070580 Kmed6000 said:
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What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.


In the last two years, he’s missed 15 games. Prior to that, 1 game only, I believe. All that concerns me NOW is 2021 and 2022. The earlier, younger years are meaningless to me. So 15 games missed, for whatever reason is concerning to me, esp. since he’ll be 31 soon and carries a hefty contract.

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BamaBlue : 3/20/2023 11:33 am : link
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see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?



No. What about Hopkins’ game reminds you of Kenny Golladay?


Just from the standpoint of a wide receiver at that point in their career where there is a production drop-off. The question (as with Golladay) is how dramatic will that drop-off be.

I also remember how the BBI consensus was that the Golladay signing was so obviously great that any criticism of it was met with Kmed-like comments...
RE: RE: Again with the injury history.  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 11:35 am : link
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What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.



In the last two years, he’s missed 15 games. Prior to that, 1 game only, I believe. All that concerns me NOW is 2021 and 2022. The earlier, younger years are meaningless to me. So 15 games missed, for whatever reason is concerning to me, esp. since he’ll be 31 soon and carries a hefty contract.


Hopkins was not hurt last year, he was suspended for PED and came back and played 9 games and was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards. He got hurt the year before, but it wasn't an injury that will linger(like an ACL).
Let’s wait to see what we do in the draft  
Simms11 : 3/20/2023 11:36 am : link
we still need that #1 and that will make a huge difference when comparing. Lastly, don’t forget to add WanDale.
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Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 11:36 am : link
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see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?



No. What about Hopkins’ game reminds you of Kenny Golladay?



Just from the standpoint of a wide receiver at that point in their career where there is a production drop-off. The question (as with Golladay) is how dramatic will that drop-off be.

I also remember how the BBI consensus was that the Golladay signing was so obviously great that any criticism of it was met with Kmed-like comments...


Well yeah, if people made things up like you did. Where is the production fall off? Golladay has never, ever, ever been the WR that Hopkins is. So the comparison is that they are both WR's that would be chanding teams. Got it.
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UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 11:38 am : link
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see another Kenny Golladay scenario playing out?



No. What about Hopkins’ game reminds you of Kenny Golladay?



Just from the standpoint of a wide receiver at that point in their career where there is a production drop-off. The question (as with Golladay) is how dramatic will that drop-off be.

I also remember how the BBI consensus was that the Golladay signing was so obviously great that any criticism of it was met with Kmed-like comments...


I don’t agree, lots of people hated that signing. I certainly didn’t want him.

You can’t look at any older player and think, Kenny Golladay especially when the player in question is infinitely better.
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Big Blue '56 : 3/20/2023 11:42 am : link
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What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.



In the last two years, he’s missed 15 games. Prior to that, 1 game only, I believe. All that concerns me NOW is 2021 and 2022. The earlier, younger years are meaningless to me. So 15 games missed, for whatever reason is concerning to me, esp. since he’ll be 31 soon and carries a hefty contract.




Hopkins was not hurt last year, he was suspended for PED and came back and played 9 games and was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards. He got hurt the year before, but it wasn't an injury that will linger(like an ACL).


So he took PEDs and we are assured he won’t repeat again?

Pass, big time. Sorry Kmed, I know you’d like him here
Production fall off?  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 11:43 am : link
Hopkins played 9 games last year(the last 9), 5 with Colt McCoy as his QB. If he played the whole season at that pace, his numbers over a full season would be:

120 catches
1354 yards
6 TD's

He's still a #1 WR and would probably rank top 5 in the league.

I understand he will cost draft capital and cap dollars and I understand that he's 30, soon to be 31 and I understand that maybe he's not a good fit, but lets not make things up to prove a point. He has not been injured a lot and his production hasn't fallen off.
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Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 11:44 am : link
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What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.



In the last two years, he’s missed 15 games. Prior to that, 1 game only, I believe. All that concerns me NOW is 2021 and 2022. The earlier, younger years are meaningless to me. So 15 games missed, for whatever reason is concerning to me, esp. since he’ll be 31 soon and carries a hefty contract.




Hopkins was not hurt last year, he was suspended for PED and came back and played 9 games and was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards. He got hurt the year before, but it wasn't an injury that will linger(like an ACL).



So he took PEDs and we are assured he won’t repeat again?

Pass, big time. Sorry Kmed, I know you’d like him here


I understand this and I don't think the Giants are going after him, I'm just saying, lets not make things up. He's not injury prone.
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Big Blue '56 : 3/20/2023 11:44 am : link
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What injury history?? The guy was an iron man his whole career and then missed games 2 years ago due to injury. That's it. The dude never missed games.



In the last two years, he’s missed 15 games. Prior to that, 1 game only, I believe. All that concerns me NOW is 2021 and 2022. The earlier, younger years are meaningless to me. So 15 games missed, for whatever reason is concerning to me, esp. since he’ll be 31 soon and carries a hefty contract.




Hopkins was not hurt last year, he was suspended for PED and came back and played 9 games and was on pace for 120 catches and 1400 yards. He got hurt the year before, but it wasn't an injury that will linger(like an ACL).



So he took PEDs and we are assured he won’t repeat again?

Pass, big time. Sorry Kmed, I know you’d like him here



I understand this and I don't think the Giants are going after him, I'm just saying, lets not make things up. He's not injury prone.


Fair enough
No  
JonC : 3/20/2023 12:00 pm : link
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I don't see this happening with the Giants  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/20/2023 3:42 pm : link
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RE: Production fall off?  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/20/2023 3:59 pm : link
In comment 16070633 Kmed6000 said:
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Hopkins played 9 games last year(the last 9), 5 with Colt McCoy as his QB. If he played the whole season at that pace, his numbers over a full season would be:

120 catches
1354 yards
6 TD's

He's still a #1 WR and would probably rank top 5 in the league.

I understand he will cost draft capital and cap dollars and I understand that he's 30, soon to be 31 and I understand that maybe he's not a good fit, but lets not make things up to prove a point. He has not been injured a lot and his production hasn't fallen off.


There is a reason he is still dangling out there. The price is not going to be a 2nd rounder. No one is paying a big price for the older WRs with big salaries in this market. Might be a 4th even. If the Cards pay part of his 2023 salary and take a 4th for him I would find that hard to say no to...a 4th and around a 10M cap hit for Hopkins in 2023 to bridge us to a WR or two from this draft and see what guys like Hodgins etc can become makes sense.

Pats are supposedly waiting in the weeds and have interest as well.

Waller
Hopkins
Hodgins
Slayton
Campbell

That looks like something on par with the final 8 playoff teams this year and the WR talent in our own division.
What???  
blueblood : 3/20/2023 4:13 pm : link
The Giants are NOT getting Hopkins.. They are not ONE guy away from anything. The rebuild is ahead of schedule, but its still a rebuild.
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