I'm a Tiki and Tierney fan and try to listen as much as I can. They have spent all day talking about the Knicks. I was a huge fan back in the Ewing days but have NO interest anymore. I know the NBA is popular in America but they also do not really drive ratings versus football and baseball. What's your opinion and interest level in the Knicks/Nets and NBA in general?
Is this a new development? I'm 40, and this has been the case as long as I've been alive. It's always been a haves and have-not league. If you have stars, you're a contender for a decade.
I think as you get older, fans embrace baseball more. So I don’t think MLB is screwed because they don’t have the youth or NBA is in a great position in 15 years because they do.
You could be right. Don't know for sure. I know the baseball demographic has been a concern with the sport for a while now which is why so many changes have been made to speed up the game for our more ADHD-type culture now.
But you're right, we don't know how the fandom will evolve.
I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.
Whatever ratings argument or interest argument you want to have, just make you're you're including almost every other country on earth. There are more NBA-watching fans in Asia than there are in USA.
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What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.
So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.
Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.
The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.
Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.
Dont bother, dude is a troll who stopped posting in Knicks threads when they started winning..only posts after losses
I know I just couldn’t resist. Plus this take is shared by far too many so I figured I’d call it out.
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Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.
The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.
Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.
I can say with a lot of confidence,that you and I aren't watching the same thing.
We agree there
I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.
Yes, I am one of the weird dudes out there who is a fan of both of those sports on top of the usual ones lmao.
Tennis/NASCAR/NBA are actually very similar imo. All are very superstar driven.
NASCAR was actually in pretty big trouble for a while but had a post-covid bounceback. I'm still not sure what the state of the sport is. I don't like a lot of the changes. But they do have Chase Elliot (who hurt himself recently) as their big draw, someone they needed after Dale Jr. retired.
Tennis is a weird one because The Big 3 have dominated headlines forever now. Problem is that the least popular by far of those 3 is the one who is running the sport right now in Djokovic. LeBron/Djokovic are very similar in the way they are perceived, even though honestly LeBron is far less of a douche. They've got a kid in Carlos Alcaraz who I think is the truth and I think what the sport is really hoping for is an Alcaraz/Djokovic "changing of the guard" rivalry these next couple years. There is a lot of great young talent right now, but they could definitely use a Pete Sampras/Agassi fan favorite from the US.
Besides the NFL, relative ratings/attention for all these sports seems to be bouncing up and down to varying degrees. But has any sport really died or is dying? The Forbes evaluations for the NBA/MLB has skyrocketed over the last decade despite whatever issues those sports have had.
But specifically towards the MLB. I do think their demographic age is something to keep an eye on. I know plenty of young people who enjoy the sport but the average age is a very striking number.
Agree to disagree again, but it's not close imo. I'm not even referring to COVID stuff. Djokovic has been an assclown for a while.
And yet I will admit he's the best I've seen. But the way Federer/Nadal fans are threatened/angered by him is similar to the way NBA/Jordan fans feel about LeBron.
I'm an NBA fan ( this year really just the Knicks), but the popularity has been dipping.
your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.
That's good,seems like we've made some progress today
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you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.
your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.
Try taking a lap or logging off. Of course it’s my opinion, Jesus Christ dude. If you think there’s any point to the NBA regular season then good for you. I sure as hell don’t, it’s the biggest farce in pro sports. Wake me up for the conference finals, that’s about it. That said the play in games add the only drama to the regular season so I’m in favor of that.
I think that's only because the NBA is much more discussed here. The threadstarter was about sports radio but the way ESPN/FOXSports/etc. cover this on a daily basis is absolutely tiring. These guys recycle the same 5 or so topics every week, Brady/LeBron/Cowboys/NFL/etc. yet they will barely mention Djokovic even when he dominates another Grand Slam event.
Feel free to hate on LeBron. I personally think he gets way too much shit and will defend him for it on here if I feel like it, but it's your opinion and I get why certain aspects of him and the non-stop talk of him is annoying. He farts too loudly, it's a story being discussed by Skip Bayless on how MJ was always silent but deadly.
But yes, the tennis community on the internet is generally not a fan of Djokovic because he has always pretty much acted like a whiny brat his entire career. He is a complete douchebag on the court, it's part of what makes him tick. The COVID saga is another thing but we can leave that alone as it might get political. But yea, overall I don't think it's even remotely close. Djokovic has acted like a far bigger dumbass/asshole than LeBron for the most part in my opinion at least.
My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive
Djokovic takes a bunch of heat but I never felt he was a phony, just a guy that many people disagree with because of how he carried himself when he was younger and what he speaks out about. Interestingly enough the players that do that aren’t loved - people really don’t like athletes speaking their mind for some reason.
I like it, even when I don’t agree with the stance. As long as the game and your colleagues are being respected, let loose, it’s refreshing.
My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.
This is one of my big issues and to your point Popovich really took it to a new level. And coincidentally he’s probably my favorite coach of all time and those Spurs teams were among my favorite alll time. But too many nights off is absolutely killer for a fan base and I don’t think anything can be done about it other than docking game checks which would never be something agreed upon by the players union.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive
I started the Celts thread - that’s good mojo…
No Edwards, got to get on them early
The Lakers make one trip to NYC a season. This year, they had AB & LBJ sit out vs. the Nets so both could be full go vs. the Knicks on national TV. Imagine if you're some Nets fan-the few that exist..absent EricinLI, Haha-& you shell out serious coin to see LeBron & he ends up being a healthy scratch. That'd piss me off to no end.
Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.
Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.
Lillard isn’t going to even make the playoffs. How can he say that the regular season doesn’t matter?
Likeable guy but he’s just protecting himself.
I’m a regular watcher of the Knicks, and a new watcher of the Rangers (I’ve been watching regularly for the past 2-3 seasons). If the Knicks and Rangers are on simultaneously, I’ll watch the Knicks. If I’m looking for a random game to watch and my choices are NBA or NHL, I’m choosing NHL.
It wasn’t about any single season, it was more about legacy and the differences between when he came up and how it is now. I agree with his POV and it’s contributed to me taking sports less seriously now. Every conversation just ends up about titles and that’s boring and completely ridiculous.
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The average NBA score in the 1960s was 115ppg (7774 games)
The average NBA score in the 1970s was 108.3ppg
The average NBA score in the 1980s was 109ppg.
The average NBA score in the 2020s has been 112ppg (8890 games so far)
Not sure that points per game is really moving that much.
If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.
Using last night's Knicks game as a test case is even a pretty big outlier. MIN was missing their star player and had a bench guy go 8-8 from 3. They weren't leaving him open. He was just absurdly hot.
Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.
Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.
Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?
& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...
but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!
You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?
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I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.
Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.
Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?
They were intense and tough games but the basketball was horrible, it was a grind..
They were fun because they meant so much..
Playoffs in the NBA are still the same but the difference is the players are better offensively..
I'm not going to say last night's Knick game was a prime example of great defense - but the final score had more to do with ridiculous shot making and skill by both teams than anything else.
& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...
For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.
Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.
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The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...
& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...
For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.
Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.
I loved it to but i can also see how the basketball was bad..
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than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).
but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!
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If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.
You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?
Boy are you butthurt I don’t like the nba. Find a hobbie.
And yes, they do shoot too many 3s in college, can’t stand when UConn does it. But let me know when I stated that 3s were the only problem with the NBA.