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dannyman3131 : 3/20/2023 12:23 pm
I'm a Tiki and Tierney fan and try to listen as much as I can. They have spent all day talking about the Knicks. I was a huge fan back in the Ewing days but have NO interest anymore. I know the NBA is popular in America but they also do not really drive ratings versus football and baseball. What's your opinion and interest level in the Knicks/Nets and NBA in general?
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RE: The NBA is unbearable right now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2023 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16070841 Cyrus the Great said:
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You can guess with 90% accuracy who, barring injury, the only contenders in the league will be before the season even begins.


Is this a new development? I'm 40, and this has been the case as long as I've been alive. It's always been a haves and have-not league. If you have stars, you're a contender for a decade.
RE: NBA will always skew younger & MLB older  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16070845 Sean said:
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I disagree with Osi’s post above because I don’t think the 17-30 demo for example sticks with the NBA once they get into their 40’s. The diehards do for sure, but I’m not sure the casuals do.

I think as you get older, fans embrace baseball more. So I don’t think MLB is screwed because they don’t have the youth or NBA is in a great position in 15 years because they do.


You could be right. Don't know for sure. I know the baseball demographic has been a concern with the sport for a while now which is why so many changes have been made to speed up the game for our more ADHD-type culture now.

But you're right, we don't know how the fandom will evolve.
Osi, you are a tennis & Nascar fan, right?  
Sean : 3/20/2023 3:35 pm : link
Are either of those sports in trouble? Tennis hasn’t produced any male stars from this country in what feels like decades. That sport seems fine to me. I know people criticize Nascar, but they are still running the races and Daytona generated a lot of buzz.

I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.
There's also a little narrow-focus at play here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2023 3:39 pm : link
NBA is by far the most global of america's 3 major sports.

Whatever ratings argument or interest argument you want to have, just make you're you're including almost every other country on earth. There are more NBA-watching fans in Asia than there are in USA.
RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
djm : 3/20/2023 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16070818 nygiants16 said:
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What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.

So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.




Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.



Dont bother, dude is a troll who stopped posting in Knicks threads when they started winning..only posts after losses


I know I just couldn’t resist. Plus this take is shared by far too many so I figured I’d call it out.
RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
djm : 3/20/2023 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16070830 ghost718 said:
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Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.



I can say with a lot of confidence,that you and I aren't watching the same thing.


We agree there
RE: Osi, you are a tennis & Nascar fan, right?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16070889 Sean said:
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Are either of those sports in trouble? Tennis hasn’t produced any male stars from this country in what feels like decades. That sport seems fine to me. I know people criticize Nascar, but they are still running the races and Daytona generated a lot of buzz.

I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.


Yes, I am one of the weird dudes out there who is a fan of both of those sports on top of the usual ones lmao.

Tennis/NASCAR/NBA are actually very similar imo. All are very superstar driven.

NASCAR was actually in pretty big trouble for a while but had a post-covid bounceback. I'm still not sure what the state of the sport is. I don't like a lot of the changes. But they do have Chase Elliot (who hurt himself recently) as their big draw, someone they needed after Dale Jr. retired.

Tennis is a weird one because The Big 3 have dominated headlines forever now. Problem is that the least popular by far of those 3 is the one who is running the sport right now in Djokovic. LeBron/Djokovic are very similar in the way they are perceived, even though honestly LeBron is far less of a douche. They've got a kid in Carlos Alcaraz who I think is the truth and I think what the sport is really hoping for is an Alcaraz/Djokovic "changing of the guard" rivalry these next couple years. There is a lot of great young talent right now, but they could definitely use a Pete Sampras/Agassi fan favorite from the US.

Besides the NFL, relative ratings/attention for all these sports seems to be bouncing up and down to varying degrees. But has any sport really died or is dying? The Forbes evaluations for the NBA/MLB has skyrocketed over the last decade despite whatever issues those sports have had.

But specifically towards the MLB. I do think their demographic age is something to keep an eye on. I know plenty of young people who enjoy the sport but the average age is a very striking number.
When Lebron finally goes away  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 3:50 pm : link
I think a lot of fans will come back.
Djokovic a bigger clown than LeBron?  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 3:53 pm : link
no chance
RE: Djokovic a bigger clown than LeBron?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:56 pm : link
In comment 16070919 UConn4523 said:
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no chance


Agree to disagree again, but it's not close imo. I'm not even referring to COVID stuff. Djokovic has been an assclown for a while.

And yet I will admit he's the best I've seen. But the way Federer/Nadal fans are threatened/angered by him is similar to the way NBA/Jordan fans feel about LeBron.
I can’t speak for the tennis community  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 4:07 pm : link
especially internationally, just like I can’t speak to the NBA community overseas. But here in the US I don’t think it’s remotely close and I can say that personally I’m a big fan of one guy and can’t stand the other and I’m one of many falling into the latter group.
Tiki and Tierney  
TyreeHelmet : 3/20/2023 4:14 pm : link
is terrible radio...

I'm an NBA fan ( this year really just the Knicks), but the popularity has been dipping.
RE: Enzo  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16070811 UConn4523 said:
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you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.

your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.
Love  
Maggot Brain : 3/20/2023 4:19 pm : link
the Knicks. Happy to see them relevant again. The playoffs will be a blast for New Yorkers and the surrounding area and the Garden will be rocking. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is like the love of the Knicks in the city. Nothing compares. Not the Giants, Jets, Mets, Yanks, or Rangers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
ghost718 : 3/20/2023 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16070909 djm said:
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We agree there


That's good,seems like we've made some progress today
RE: RE: Enzo  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16070947 Enzo said:
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you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.


your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.


Try taking a lap or logging off. Of course it’s my opinion, Jesus Christ dude. If you think there’s any point to the NBA regular season then good for you. I sure as hell don’t, it’s the biggest farce in pro sports. Wake me up for the conference finals, that’s about it. That said the play in games add the only drama to the regular season so I’m in favor of that.
RE: I can’t speak for the tennis community  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16070931 UConn4523 said:
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especially internationally, just like I can’t speak to the NBA community overseas. But here in the US I don’t think it’s remotely close and I can say that personally I’m a big fan of one guy and can’t stand the other and I’m one of many falling into the latter group.


I think that's only because the NBA is much more discussed here. The threadstarter was about sports radio but the way ESPN/FOXSports/etc. cover this on a daily basis is absolutely tiring. These guys recycle the same 5 or so topics every week, Brady/LeBron/Cowboys/NFL/etc. yet they will barely mention Djokovic even when he dominates another Grand Slam event.

Feel free to hate on LeBron. I personally think he gets way too much shit and will defend him for it on here if I feel like it, but it's your opinion and I get why certain aspects of him and the non-stop talk of him is annoying. He farts too loudly, it's a story being discussed by Skip Bayless on how MJ was always silent but deadly.

But yes, the tennis community on the internet is generally not a fan of Djokovic because he has always pretty much acted like a whiny brat his entire career. He is a complete douchebag on the court, it's part of what makes him tick. The COVID saga is another thing but we can leave that alone as it might get political. But yea, overall I don't think it's even remotely close. Djokovic has acted like a far bigger dumbass/asshole than LeBron for the most part in my opinion at least.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2023 6:55 pm : link
Love the NBA. After the NFL, it is my favorite pro sport.

My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.
Is this gonna be  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 7:11 pm : link
the NYK game thread?
I have had no luck starting game threads  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 7:16 pm : link
This season.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive
Knicks -9 tonight scary line  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 7:19 pm : link
Trap game ?
Osi  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 7:20 pm : link
agreed on not being able to discuss it but I think you are downplaying LeBrons off the court drama.

Djokovic takes a bunch of heat but I never felt he was a phony, just a guy that many people disagree with because of how he carried himself when he was younger and what he speaks out about. Interestingly enough the players that do that aren’t loved - people really don’t like athletes speaking their mind for some reason.

I like it, even when I don’t agree with the stance. As long as the game and your colleagues are being respected, let loose, it’s refreshing.
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16071138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love the NBA. After the NFL, it is my favorite pro sport.

My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.


This is one of my big issues and to your point Popovich really took it to a new level. And coincidentally he’s probably my favorite coach of all time and those Spurs teams were among my favorite alll time. But too many nights off is absolutely killer for a fan base and I don’t think anything can be done about it other than docking game checks which would never be something agreed upon by the players union.
RE: I have had no luck starting game threads  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16071160 larryflower37 said:
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This season.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive

I started the Celts thread - that’s good mojo…
RE: Knicks -9 tonight scary line  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 7:34 pm : link
In comment 16071165 larryflower37 said:
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Trap game ?


No Edwards, got to get on them early
UConn4523.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2023 7:42 pm : link
& I get like the rationale for load management from the perspective of the teams. You'd rather Kawhi be 100% come the postseason vs. a meaningless Wednesday night game in March vs. the Magic. But it is a total FU to the fans.

The Lakers make one trip to NYC a season. This year, they had AB & LBJ sit out vs. the Nets so both could be full go vs. the Knicks on national TV. Imagine if you're some Nets fan-the few that exist..absent EricinLI, Haha-& you shell out serious coin to see LeBron & he ends up being a healthy scratch. That'd piss me off to no end.
I listened to an interview with Lillard today  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:23 pm : link
and he was talking about how meaningless the regular season has become for people and the NBA has pushed this rings or you are worthless mentality which has permeated into the fan base. I think it’s completely true, and it’s infiltrated the NFL as well. The MLB to an extent but it still does the best job commemorating statistics and regular season achievements IMO. That used to be what I loved most about sports. Title or bust isn’t interesting to me.

Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.
RE: I listened to an interview with Lillard today  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16071238 UConn4523 said:
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and he was talking about how meaningless the regular season has become for people and the NBA has pushed this rings or you are worthless mentality which has permeated into the fan base. I think it’s completely true, and it’s infiltrated the NFL as well. The MLB to an extent but it still does the best job commemorating statistics and regular season achievements IMO. That used to be what I loved most about sports. Title or bust isn’t interesting to me.

Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.


Lillard isn’t going to even make the playoffs. How can he say that the regular season doesn’t matter?

Likeable guy but he’s just protecting himself.
Listen to the interview  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:33 pm : link
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There’s a lot to like about this Knicks team  
aimrocky : 3/20/2023 8:34 pm : link
And it starts with their effort on a nightly basis. They are an anomaly within the NBA, which is the problem with the league.

I’m a regular watcher of the Knicks, and a new watcher of the Rangers (I’ve been watching regularly for the past 2-3 seasons). If the Knicks and Rangers are on simultaneously, I’ll watch the Knicks. If I’m looking for a random game to watch and my choices are NBA or NHL, I’m choosing NHL.
I’ll check it out  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 8:34 pm : link
The “Rings” mentality is definitely dumb.
RE: I’ll check it out  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:55 pm : link
In comment 16071255 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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The “Rings” mentality is definitely dumb.


It wasn’t about any single season, it was more about legacy and the differences between when he came up and how it is now. I agree with his POV and it’s contributed to me taking sports less seriously now. Every conversation just ends up about titles and that’s boring and completely ridiculous.
Watch this video and what Riley says at the end  
Sean : 3/20/2023 9:30 pm : link
A completely different game now.
Link - ( New Window )
Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Sean : 3/21/2023 5:37 am : link
Come on.
Loved the Ewing  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/21/2023 2:16 pm : link
Oakley, Mason, and Starks led Knicks and Oakley was my favorite Knick. No frigging way I could root for the Carmelo Anthony led Knicks.
RE: Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2023 3:58 pm : link
In comment 16071404 Sean said:
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Come on.






The average NBA score in the 1960s was 115ppg (7774 games)

The average NBA score in the 1970s was 108.3ppg

The average NBA score in the 1980s was 109ppg.

The average NBA score in the 2020s has been 112ppg (8890 games so far)

Not sure that points per game is really moving that much.




They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 4:26 pm : link
than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).

If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.
My point isn't to say that you have to like it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2023 4:56 pm : link
But high scoring games definitely aren't a modern phenom in the NBA. You can go back before the 3 point shot was legal and still find 140, 150 point games.

Using last night's Knicks game as a test case is even a pretty big outlier. MIN was missing their star player and had a bench guy go 8-8 from 3. They weren't leaving him open. He was just absurdly hot.

Rogue games aren’t an issue but season  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 5:17 pm : link
averages are a big enough sample size. 114 PPG hasn’t happened for over 50 years and outside of the past 4/5 season, 110 PPG hasn’t happened since the mid 80s. The scoring difference is massive and why it’s different is also massive.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:47 pm : link
I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.
RE: ...  
Sean : 3/21/2023 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16072101 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.

Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:54 pm : link
The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...
RE: They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
Enzo : 3/21/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16071978 UConn4523 said:
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than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).

but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!

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If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.

You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2023 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16072106 Sean said:
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I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.


Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?


They were intense and tough games but the basketball was horrible, it was a grind..

They were fun because they meant so much..

Playoffs in the NBA are still the same but the difference is the players are better offensively..
RE: Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Enzo : 3/21/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16071404 Sean said:
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Come on.

I'm not going to say last night's Knick game was a prime example of great defense - but the final score had more to do with ridiculous shot making and skill by both teams than anything else.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 7:30 pm : link
I'm assuming-based on his handle-it was the UConn Huskies. Haha.
RE: Sean.  
Sean : 3/21/2023 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16072114 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...

For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.

Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2023 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16072178 Sean said:
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In comment 16072114 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...


For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.

Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.


I loved it to but i can also see how the basketball was bad..
RE: RE: They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 8:41 pm : link
In comment 16072153 Enzo said:
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than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).


but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!



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If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.


You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?


Boy are you butthurt I don’t like the nba. Find a hobbie.

And yes, they do shoot too many 3s in college, can’t stand when UConn does it. But let me know when I stated that 3s were the only problem with the NBA.
Cowherd just touched on this  
Sean : 3/24/2023 12:44 pm : link
He said college basketball has been destroying the NBA in the ratings in March. He noted the skill set being much better in the NBA, but fans like passion. NBA players tell you they don’t care about the regular season, so why should the fans?
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