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dannyman3131 : 3/20/2023 12:23 pm
I'm a Tiki and Tierney fan and try to listen as much as I can. They have spent all day talking about the Knicks. I was a huge fan back in the Ewing days but have NO interest anymore. I know the NBA is popular in America but they also do not really drive ratings versus football and baseball. What's your opinion and interest level in the Knicks/Nets and NBA in general?
My issue with NBA is the 3 point shot  
Sean : 3/20/2023 12:27 pm : link
I would hate if the NFL became a league where scores regularly were 53-46, I think most here would too. The scores now in the NBA are regularly over 125 points per team. I hate that. Way too many 3’s.

The talent is way better in the NBA, but I find myself enjoying watching the college game more.

I find the baseball talk to be boring as well though. Do I need to hear Tiki break down the Edwin Diaz injury?
I certainly understand the lack of love for the NBA these days.  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 12:27 pm : link
I feel it and a lot of people I know feel it. I think sports in general has become too involved with politics and that turns a lot of people off which is why the sport has been hurting a bit.

That being said, the Knicks ran NY in the 90's. When the knicks were good, they were definitely the most popular ticket in town. I think part of it was because there was no local competition, whereas not the nets are close by.

The NBA has a strong loyal following  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 12:35 pm : link
The current generation likes players more than teams and are not necessarily loyal to one team but most arenas are sold out and the rating are always good for an 82 game league.
The Knicks are the most talked about team right now in the NBA and are beating all the top teams around them. NY is a basketball city when the Knicks are hot and they are red hot right now.
The three point shot hurt the NBA  
JohnF : 3/20/2023 12:46 pm : link
Look at how the game was played in the 60's and early 70's. You saw a lot more ball movement, more defense, and more fast breaks. After a gap, you had the return of ball movement with Bird and Magic, but that didn't last.

Now, all you get are isolation plays and 3 point shots. Players hog the ball. And if you breathe on someone, it's a foul. Add the constant flopping, walking, carrying the ball (thanks to MJ) and arguing with the refs, and the game is unwatchable.
purely anecdotal:  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 12:49 pm : link
My kids and their friends follow the NBA via clips on social media and 2K. They very rarely, if ever, watch an actual game.

Regarding adults, in my circle of friends, relatives, co-workers, neighbors, parents of my kids' teammates, etc. here in NYC - I think I know maybe five people that regularly follow the NBA. This includes quite a few people who's kids play basketball at various levels (AAU, high school, youth). This also includes people that religiously follow the Yankees/Mets/Jets/Giants/Rangers/Islanders.

It's weird.
Good Comments  
dannyman3131 : 3/20/2023 12:49 pm : link
Two things in response.

MSG is always sold out even when the Knicks were the worst team in basketball for 15 years. But when you see game highlights and on TV they arena's are generally full. Can't deny that. I would say the same thing can be said for the NHL as well and I think corn hole gets better ratings than hockey.

Also, I never hear anyone talking basketball in NYC (other than Evan, Tiki and Tierney). Yankees, Mets, Jets, Giants talk all over the place and all the time. Maybe with this resurgence it will change but I do not believe the buzz is there and I'm not sure it will come back unless they win a championship.
I always understand whatever  
Beezer : 3/20/2023 12:57 pm : link
downer du jour pops up about the NBA. I have my gripes, too, but seeing a competitive Knicks team is an awful lot of fun. I admit, I follow closely even when they suck, which ... it's been too long. I imagine there are enough like me, who don't quit watching because they have gripes ... even the ridiculous $100/month FUBO cost to get MSG.
Knicks have not been a good team for many years but  
PhilSimms15 : 3/20/2023 1:01 pm : link
When they are a competitive team, they own the Spring. And if they get to be a real championship contender then you will see kids from 3 to 60 wearing their jerseys, baseball caps, tshirts.

And Jalen Brunson could very well be the prince that was promised.
NY will always be a basketball town first.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/20/2023 1:10 pm : link
Some think it is a baseball town because of the Yankees but it is just something about the Knicks. They have sucked for so long but when they are good, the state is just electric.
Football will always be king on the radio  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 1:11 pm : link
but inside the city when the Knicks are good they control the city and the buzz..

Tierney is always going to lean towards Knicms talk when they are good and right now they are 1 of the best teams in basketball..

all the other shows except Alan Hahn have people that shouodnt be talking basketball...
Complaining about the 3 point shot?  
Chris in Philly : 3/20/2023 1:21 pm : link
In 2023? Do you guys really want to go back to Hoosiers? Come on.
The college game is infinitely more interesting  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 1:29 pm : link
despite it being the “inferior product”. The NBA has too many issues from the rules, to the unlikable players, to the useless regular season, etc. It’s the most uninteresting pro sports league by a significant margin.
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nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 1:33 pm : link
First off the comllaints on iso ball, there has always been iso ball. The difference between now and back then was there were more pass first PGs than there are now. Teams are built around scoring wings and scoring guards.

So the instead of pass first PGs isoing, it is wings and score first guards. Thats the difference..

As for the 3 point shot, i dont understsnd how it has ruinex the game? The game has evolved, guys are more talented and better shooters...Teams now habe 4 or 5 guys in their lineups that can shoot rather than 1 or 2...the game is more spread out, more free flowing but it doesnt mean there is no defense..that is a lie..

Just because guys dont get decked going into the lane, doesnt mean there is no defense being played..
If you like NBA basketball from yesteryear  
bceagle05 : 3/20/2023 1:34 pm : link
this year's New York Knicks is the team for you - no load management, play their asses off every night, aren't overly reliant on the three point shot, play defense, everybody contributes.
Lost all interest  
k2tampa : 3/20/2023 1:35 pm : link
long ago, and not because of the three-point shot. The NBA sold out the rules of basketball to increase scoring, especially by dunking (no, I'm not anti-dunk). I left when traveling became a thing of the past. Watching a guy take four steps running down the lane for a dunk and having the announcers tell me what an amazing athletic play it was is no different than watching a QB escape the rush and go past the line of scrimmage and throw a pass. Hey, that was athletic too. Let's ignore the rule.

Or the virtual elimination of charging in the game - watching a guy like Shaq just back his way into the paint, knocking down a defender who was just standing his ground. And the defender ends up getting called for a blocking foul when he was just trying to stand still. I've seen guys with the ball run into the back of a defender standing dead still, and the defender gets a blocking penalty. Not to mention the stupid charging arc under the basket. How about we let Justin Jefferson run 10 yards down the field and shove the DB to the ground and call PI on the defender. Or we deem offensive pass interference can't happen in the end zone.

Let's make the net in hockey a foot wider and six inches taller. Or allow corked bats in baseball.

If these guys are, as the NBA loves to claim, the greatest athletes in the world, they don't need the rules ignored or changed to help them. When is the last time you saw 3 seconds called in the NBA?

RE: Complaining about the 3 point shot?  
Sean : 3/20/2023 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16070725 Chris in Philly said:
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In 2023? Do you guys really want to go back to Hoosiers? Come on.

It’s all preference. I personally don’t like shootouts, but I get that a lot of fans do.
College is mainly more interesting  
widmerseyebrow : 3/20/2023 1:36 pm : link
Because fewer games means more meaningful regular season and the playoffs are single elimination.

The NBA would be incredible if it was distilled like that but it will never happen.
Here’s a huge issue I have with the NBA  
Sean : 3/20/2023 1:36 pm : link
Allowing teams to advance the ball to half court after a timeout during the end of games? Come on.

Imagine in football calling a timeout and a 2nd & 15 now becomes a 2nd & 5. It’s ridiculous imo.
what's ironic  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 1:39 pm : link
is that the athleticism, shot making, and pace of play are inarguably better compared to "years ago". Also, while they've legislated hard fouls out of the game, defense is much harder to play. Yes there is lots of iso in the modern game - but there's always been iso. It's simply morphed from
big men pounding the ball in the post to perimeter players dominating the ball.
RE: The college game is infinitely more interesting  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 1:39 pm : link
In comment 16070732 UConn4523 said:
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despite it being the “inferior product”. The NBA has too many issues from the rules, to the unlikable players, to the useless regular season, etc. It’s the most uninteresting pro sports league by a significant margin.


This is something I'll never understand. To each their own, but preferring the college game to the pro game is cringeworthy to me. The level of talent differential is just so massive.

College is fun because of the atmosphere. People care about their colleges and people care about the brilliant March Madness bracket hype.

But as far as on-court products go? Not even a contest. The NBA game is so far beyond.

As far as national attention, it's in the mix for #2 with baseball both nationally and in NYC. They're only talking about it more now because the Knicks are in the playoff mix with a couple weeks left. It would be all Yankees/Mets if it were in August and they were in the same spot.

I feel like MLB/NBA is pretty even right now in terms of popularity although they do it differently. Although the ages of the two fanbases leans towards the NBA being in a better place 15 years from now.
RE: College is mainly more interesting  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16070739 widmerseyebrow said:
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Because fewer games means more meaningful regular season and the playoffs are single elimination.

The NBA would be incredible if it was distilled like that but it will never happen.


There’s many more than that. College still has what the NBA will never have - alumni who have attachment to a program for life. Rooting for “your school” is just so much more meaningful than the way most people ended up rooting for their pro team. It’s why college football does so well in the south. Add in that up until recently the players were unpaid, it was fun watching them compete for a title since that was the universal and only goal.

But I do agree, at this point 82 games is ridiculous and the amount of teams Laing the playoffs even more ridiculous.
RE: Here’s a huge issue I have with the NBA  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16070740 Sean said:
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Allowing teams to advance the ball to half court after a timeout during the end of games? Come on.

Imagine in football calling a timeout and a 2nd & 15 now becomes a 2nd & 5. It’s ridiculous imo.

agree. Completely nonsensical.
RE: RE: Complaining about the 3 point shot?  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16070738 Sean said:
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In 2023? Do you guys really want to go back to Hoosiers? Come on.


It’s all preference. I personally don’t like shootouts, but I get that a lot of fans do.


But they arent shoot outs, yeah teams get hot from 3, but if you watch every game, they arent just hoisting up shots..

and not every team just hoist up 3s..

It is the same game, the teams are jist built around wings rather than bigs and the teams have more 3 point shooters
The 3pt has opened up the game  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 1:44 pm : link
And made it more exciting.
I don't get anyone that would want to watch a game with the middle clogged up and only defending 20 ft in .
The 3 has opened up driving lanes and forced players to learn to guard 1 on 1 for 35 ft.
Sure the scoring is up but the game is wide open and cleaner because of it.
ISO has always happened but the good teams move the ball and get clean looks.
NBA is a great product on most nights , most arguments are stale old opinions of people that haven't attempted to watch a big game in years.
Turn on the Knicks vs. Heat this week and see if you don't get hooked.
Osi  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 1:46 pm : link
I hear you, if you only care about watching the best play basketball then yeah, the NBA is your only option. But I couldn’t care less about watching LeBron James and his genetics and ability - I care more about what Adama Sanogo and Hawkins will do Thursday night. Seeing genetic freaks play backyard ball is boring to me now. It’s a war of attrition and load management, hate it.
I think the talent gap that Osi mentioned  
widmerseyebrow : 3/20/2023 1:51 pm : link
Is what kills it for me in college basketball. The one and done and straight from high school norm has gutted CBB.

Not the case in college football where there are interesting prospects in almost every conference.

And you actually see true innovation in style in CFB. CBB you see upstart teams mostly due to good fundamentals, D, and unselfishness because the talent is so thinly spread.

CFB is just a different animal imo.
This idea that no defense is playe i the Nba  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 1:57 pm : link
is a lie, there is plenty of defense being played, the difference is the defenders in todays NBA can actually shoot and do some things offensively..

30 years ago the defenders couldnt shoot or play a lick of offense
To answer the OP's question  
arniefez : 3/20/2023 2:00 pm : link
There's a reason there is almost zero hockey talk on their show or FAN in general. Hockey doesn't sell ads. The topics on FAN are programmed by their ratings.

Tierney has been talking about the Knicks a lot for the past 2 months. If no one cares or people tune out it will stop. That doesn't seem to be the case. The only show I listen to on FAN is Tiki & Tierney. I find it entertaining and focused on NY sports unlike the garbage that comes before it and after it. I'm not an NBA fan at all and I don't change the station when they talk about the Knicks. Just my opinion.

I think the Knicks are good story right now. For the first time in decades they have a likable team that could grow into a contender with a little luck. The NBA demo seems to match up well with the core demo FAN is trying to reach. From a business standpoint Knick talk makes sense to me.
I like basketball on all levels  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 2:00 pm : link
And will go watch HS games but let's be honest most that prefer college basketball are watching March madness and not much more.
Gyms are empty for the first 14 non conference games in most cases even the students section.
The product is inferior in a big way and the one and done at most big schools doesn't bring any consistency.
I can see it both ways with the NBA  
DieHard : 3/20/2023 2:07 pm : link
I'm not surprised WFAN has Knicks coverage. NYC is still a rabid Knicks town and the station has to appeal to the locals.

As for the NBA... I think Ryen Russillo once cracked, "Isn't it funny how the NBA is the only pro sport where today's players are less talented than the players from 30 years ago?" When curmudgeons like Shaq and Barkley are always saying that the games and players aren't as good as they used to be, it opens it up for more people to complain.

In terms of athleticism and movement, today's NBA is superior to what it used to be. I remember a stat that said the average NBA player ran for about a mile in an average game back in the day, while these days it's more like 3-4 miles a game. And the skills involved in one-on-one play and shooting a basketball have never been higher.

On the other hand, you can argue a lot of fundamentals have eroded over the years, thanks to weak officiating, etc. Apart from a few exceptions like Jokic, very few understand how to play in the post. And with rampant "load management," you're seeing less compelling matchups on a daily basis. Maybe that doesn't matter for the casual YouTube fan, but it hurts people who shell out a lot of money to watch games live, only to learn that the visiting team's superstar isn't playing tonight.

Just look at the commissioners to see the differences between the NBA now and then. Stern was a hard-ass and he often went overboard in policing the players, but he did try to enforce the integrity of the game. Silver is tasked with growing a global brand and is more hands-off. This has led to player empowerment and a looser atmosphere that the young'uns love, but also more instances of bad behavior. I can't imagine how Stern would have responded to some of Kyrie's antics, or the Ja Morant stuff.

I don't long for the days of 78-70 games and players laying bricks left and right, but I do think the NBA is due for another evolution, either in play or in how the whole thing is run. If the league gets that huge TV contract it's angling for, it should be fine in the short run, but I'll be curious to see if it turns into more of a niche sport down the line.
It's a dumbed down league  
ghost718 : 3/20/2023 2:08 pm : link
What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.

So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.

One of the few social media accounts I follow  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 2:10 pm : link
is the guy that snitches on NBA traveling. It’s just so rampant and hilarious.
Snitch ref - ( New Window )
RE: RE: College is mainly more interesting  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16070746 UConn4523 said:
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Because fewer games means more meaningful regular season and the playoffs are single elimination.

The NBA would be incredible if it was distilled like that but it will never happen.



There’s many more than that. College still has what the NBA will never have - alumni who have attachment to a program for life. Rooting for “your school” is just so much more meaningful than the way most people ended up rooting for their pro team. It’s why college football does so well in the south. Add in that up until recently the players were unpaid, it was fun watching them compete for a title since that was the universal and only goal.

such a lousy take, lol.

using that criteria, you must like uconn football more than the Giants. Or uconn baseball more than whatever MLB team you might root for.

Enzo  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 2:17 pm : link
you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.
RE: It's a dumbed down league  
djm : 3/20/2023 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16070804 ghost718 said:
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What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.

So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.


Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.
RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 2:28 pm : link
In comment 16070816 djm said:
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What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.

So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.




Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.


Dont bother, dude is a troll who stopped posting in Knicks threads when they started winning..only posts after losses
RE: If you like NBA basketball from yesteryear  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 2:30 pm : link
In comment 16070736 bceagle05 said:
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this year's New York Knicks is the team for you - no load management, play their asses off every night, aren't overly reliant on the three point shot, play defense, everybody contributes.

This
More people exist to complain about the state of the league  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2023 2:33 pm : link
than actually watch it.

I don't blame fans. The NBA encourages it by allowing commentators and retired players run down and trash the product at every opportunity on League-sanctioned Pre and Post game shows.

The skill level in the league is the highest it's ever been. The athletic ability is the highest it's ever been. They're taking the hardest-difficulty shot allowable and making it at a higher rate than ever. League's in a good place. They still need to fix the disaster that is any NBA game's last 2 minutes. Least-watchable thing in sports.
I also don’t like music playing while the game is being played  
Sean : 3/20/2023 2:38 pm : link
But, probably makes me sound old. I get it.
RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
ghost718 : 3/20/2023 2:41 pm : link
In comment 16070816 djm said:
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Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.


I can say with a lot of confidence,that you and I aren't watching the same thing.
RE: More people exist to complain about the state of the league  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 2:42 pm : link
In comment 16070822 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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than actually watch it.

I don't blame fans. The NBA encourages it by allowing commentators and retired players run down and trash the product at every opportunity on League-sanctioned Pre and Post game shows.

The skill level in the league is the highest it's ever been. The athletic ability is the highest it's ever been. They're taking the hardest-difficulty shot allowable and making it at a higher rate than ever. League's in a good place. They still need to fix the disaster that is any NBA game's last 2 minutes. Least-watchable thing in sports.

This, too - and I’d add that the officiating could be more consistent and replay procedure should be streamlined - otherwise the sport itself is great to watch. Looking forward to tonight’s game.
Used to watch every game if Giants, Mets, Knicks and Rangers  
steve in ky : 3/20/2023 2:42 pm : link
About ten years into have moved to Kentucky it got to be too much and stopped watching as much hockey. When the NL went to the DH gave up baseball. But I still watch every Knicks and Giants games. I still love my teams but years ago I would also watch a lot of other teams just to watch but now it’s mostly Giants and Knicks games and not a lot more
RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
ghost718 : 3/20/2023 2:45 pm : link
In comment 16070818 nygiants16 said:
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Dont bother, dude is a troll who stopped posting in Knicks threads when they started winning..only posts after losses


You're wrong

Right now I don't post after wins or losses

Pretty soon you'll get it

The NBA is unbearable right now  
Cyrus the Great : 3/20/2023 2:48 pm : link
It's a giant soap opera of these star players who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of their teams' success. These guys bitch and moan their way out of town so they can form "superteams" with their buddies. You can guess with 90% accuracy who, barring injury, the only contenders in the league will be before the season even begins. Most of the people you see walking around with basketball jerseys don't actually sit through full games, they just watch highlights of their favorite players. The modern state of the NBA represents the antithesis of teamwork and its games are about as interesting as watching paint dry. I absolutely loathe the fact that talk radio won't shut up about the NBA.
The quality of play  
ElitoCanton : 3/20/2023 2:51 pm : link
in the NBA has never been better. Love watching it and this is the best the Knicks have been since the end of the Ewing days. NBA has definitely surpassed baseball as the number 2 sport for me.
NBA will always skew younger & MLB older  
Sean : 3/20/2023 2:52 pm : link
I disagree with Osi’s post above because I don’t think the 17-30 demo for example sticks with the NBA once they get into their 40’s. The diehards do for sure, but I’m not sure the casuals do.

I think as you get older, fans embrace baseball more. So I don’t think MLB is screwed because they don’t have the youth or NBA is in a great position in 15 years because they do.
For me  
dannyman3131 : 3/20/2023 2:52 pm : link
I guess the issue has been the Knicks have been such a joke for so long it's tough getting back into the team. I like Brunson and Quickley but still believe Randle is not a championship level player.

I have no issue with the changes in the game as we have seen that with the NFL and MLB and I still watch a ton.

Maybe it's time to tune back in and give this team a chance.
RE: The NBA is unbearable right now  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16070841 Cyrus the Great said:
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It's a giant soap opera of these star players who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of their teams' success. These guys bitch and moan their way out of town so they can form "superteams" with their buddies. You can guess with 90% accuracy who, barring injury, the only contenders in the league will be before the season even begins. Most of the people you see walking around with basketball jerseys don't actually sit through full games, they just watch highlights of their favorite players. The modern state of the NBA represents the antithesis of teamwork and its games are about as interesting as watching paint dry. I absolutely loathe the fact that talk radio won't shut up about the NBA.


Suoerteams habe been around for 50 years, the differnece now is players control where they go more..

The NBA right now has more parody than there has ever been..

NBA has always been top heavy, its the nature of having only 5 players on the court at once, 1 or 2 players can controle a game..

You hate players controlling where they go, and thats fine but dont act like supertrams are anything new
RE: The NBA is unbearable right now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2023 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16070841 Cyrus the Great said:
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You can guess with 90% accuracy who, barring injury, the only contenders in the league will be before the season even begins.


Is this a new development? I'm 40, and this has been the case as long as I've been alive. It's always been a haves and have-not league. If you have stars, you're a contender for a decade.
RE: NBA will always skew younger & MLB older  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16070845 Sean said:
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I disagree with Osi’s post above because I don’t think the 17-30 demo for example sticks with the NBA once they get into their 40’s. The diehards do for sure, but I’m not sure the casuals do.

I think as you get older, fans embrace baseball more. So I don’t think MLB is screwed because they don’t have the youth or NBA is in a great position in 15 years because they do.


You could be right. Don't know for sure. I know the baseball demographic has been a concern with the sport for a while now which is why so many changes have been made to speed up the game for our more ADHD-type culture now.

But you're right, we don't know how the fandom will evolve.
Osi, you are a tennis & Nascar fan, right?  
Sean : 3/20/2023 3:35 pm : link
Are either of those sports in trouble? Tennis hasn’t produced any male stars from this country in what feels like decades. That sport seems fine to me. I know people criticize Nascar, but they are still running the races and Daytona generated a lot of buzz.

I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.
There's also a little narrow-focus at play here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2023 3:39 pm : link
NBA is by far the most global of america's 3 major sports.

Whatever ratings argument or interest argument you want to have, just make you're you're including almost every other country on earth. There are more NBA-watching fans in Asia than there are in USA.
RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
djm : 3/20/2023 3:45 pm : link
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What's even more troubling is the college game is adopting the same style.

So there's no place to run,at least when it comes to basketball on TV.You might have to watch this low quality bullshit style of basketball on every channel.




Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.



Dont bother, dude is a troll who stopped posting in Knicks threads when they started winning..only posts after losses


I know I just couldn’t resist. Plus this take is shared by far too many so I figured I’d call it out.
RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
djm : 3/20/2023 3:45 pm : link
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Dumbed down?? No. Try again. You just don’t like it.


The game is fine. Scoring is up because offensive players are simply better at scoring and shooting the outside shot. Defense is alive and well. Cerebral intelligent play is alive and well.

Passing yards and scoring are higher in the NFL because the rules were changes and now favor the qb and offense. They aren’t scoring more pts thx to talent, in the NFL. There’s no comparing the NFL passing yards explosion to the NBA scoring increase. None whatsoever.



I can say with a lot of confidence,that you and I aren't watching the same thing.


We agree there
RE: Osi, you are a tennis & Nascar fan, right?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16070889 Sean said:
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Are either of those sports in trouble? Tennis hasn’t produced any male stars from this country in what feels like decades. That sport seems fine to me. I know people criticize Nascar, but they are still running the races and Daytona generated a lot of buzz.

I think all these sports are fine and it comes down to preference. I will enjoy the NBA playoffs. I enjoy the MLB when it intensifies in October. But as you get older, it’s hard to be sitting in front of the TV watching all these games, it’s easier with football being once per week.


Yes, I am one of the weird dudes out there who is a fan of both of those sports on top of the usual ones lmao.

Tennis/NASCAR/NBA are actually very similar imo. All are very superstar driven.

NASCAR was actually in pretty big trouble for a while but had a post-covid bounceback. I'm still not sure what the state of the sport is. I don't like a lot of the changes. But they do have Chase Elliot (who hurt himself recently) as their big draw, someone they needed after Dale Jr. retired.

Tennis is a weird one because The Big 3 have dominated headlines forever now. Problem is that the least popular by far of those 3 is the one who is running the sport right now in Djokovic. LeBron/Djokovic are very similar in the way they are perceived, even though honestly LeBron is far less of a douche. They've got a kid in Carlos Alcaraz who I think is the truth and I think what the sport is really hoping for is an Alcaraz/Djokovic "changing of the guard" rivalry these next couple years. There is a lot of great young talent right now, but they could definitely use a Pete Sampras/Agassi fan favorite from the US.

Besides the NFL, relative ratings/attention for all these sports seems to be bouncing up and down to varying degrees. But has any sport really died or is dying? The Forbes evaluations for the NBA/MLB has skyrocketed over the last decade despite whatever issues those sports have had.

But specifically towards the MLB. I do think their demographic age is something to keep an eye on. I know plenty of young people who enjoy the sport but the average age is a very striking number.
When Lebron finally goes away  
Kmed6000 : 3/20/2023 3:50 pm : link
I think a lot of fans will come back.
Djokovic a bigger clown than LeBron?  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 3:53 pm : link
no chance
RE: Djokovic a bigger clown than LeBron?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 3:56 pm : link
In comment 16070919 UConn4523 said:
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no chance


Agree to disagree again, but it's not close imo. I'm not even referring to COVID stuff. Djokovic has been an assclown for a while.

And yet I will admit he's the best I've seen. But the way Federer/Nadal fans are threatened/angered by him is similar to the way NBA/Jordan fans feel about LeBron.
I can’t speak for the tennis community  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 4:07 pm : link
especially internationally, just like I can’t speak to the NBA community overseas. But here in the US I don’t think it’s remotely close and I can say that personally I’m a big fan of one guy and can’t stand the other and I’m one of many falling into the latter group.
Tiki and Tierney  
TyreeHelmet : 3/20/2023 4:14 pm : link
is terrible radio...

I'm an NBA fan ( this year really just the Knicks), but the popularity has been dipping.
RE: Enzo  
Enzo : 3/20/2023 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16070811 UConn4523 said:
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you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.

your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.
Love  
Maggot Brain : 3/20/2023 4:19 pm : link
the Knicks. Happy to see them relevant again. The playoffs will be a blast for New Yorkers and the surrounding area and the Garden will be rocking. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is like the love of the Knicks in the city. Nothing compares. Not the Giants, Jets, Mets, Yanks, or Rangers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's a dumbed down league  
ghost718 : 3/20/2023 4:34 pm : link
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We agree there


That's good,seems like we've made some progress today
RE: RE: Enzo  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16070947 Enzo said:
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you must have missed the “of many” portion of my post, or my initial post. Fandom is one reason, I listed a bunch of others. If you are going to call my take lousy you shouldn’t have such a lousy reason why.


your initial post was even more myopic. Nothing concrete to even dispute - just your own dumb biases.


Try taking a lap or logging off. Of course it’s my opinion, Jesus Christ dude. If you think there’s any point to the NBA regular season then good for you. I sure as hell don’t, it’s the biggest farce in pro sports. Wake me up for the conference finals, that’s about it. That said the play in games add the only drama to the regular season so I’m in favor of that.
RE: I can’t speak for the tennis community  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16070931 UConn4523 said:
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especially internationally, just like I can’t speak to the NBA community overseas. But here in the US I don’t think it’s remotely close and I can say that personally I’m a big fan of one guy and can’t stand the other and I’m one of many falling into the latter group.


I think that's only because the NBA is much more discussed here. The threadstarter was about sports radio but the way ESPN/FOXSports/etc. cover this on a daily basis is absolutely tiring. These guys recycle the same 5 or so topics every week, Brady/LeBron/Cowboys/NFL/etc. yet they will barely mention Djokovic even when he dominates another Grand Slam event.

Feel free to hate on LeBron. I personally think he gets way too much shit and will defend him for it on here if I feel like it, but it's your opinion and I get why certain aspects of him and the non-stop talk of him is annoying. He farts too loudly, it's a story being discussed by Skip Bayless on how MJ was always silent but deadly.

But yes, the tennis community on the internet is generally not a fan of Djokovic because he has always pretty much acted like a whiny brat his entire career. He is a complete douchebag on the court, it's part of what makes him tick. The COVID saga is another thing but we can leave that alone as it might get political. But yea, overall I don't think it's even remotely close. Djokovic has acted like a far bigger dumbass/asshole than LeBron for the most part in my opinion at least.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2023 6:55 pm : link
Love the NBA. After the NFL, it is my favorite pro sport.

My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.
Is this gonna be  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 7:11 pm : link
the NYK game thread?
I have had no luck starting game threads  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 7:16 pm : link
This season.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive
Knicks -9 tonight scary line  
larryflower37 : 3/20/2023 7:19 pm : link
Trap game ?
Osi  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 7:20 pm : link
agreed on not being able to discuss it but I think you are downplaying LeBrons off the court drama.

Djokovic takes a bunch of heat but I never felt he was a phony, just a guy that many people disagree with because of how he carried himself when he was younger and what he speaks out about. Interestingly enough the players that do that aren’t loved - people really don’t like athletes speaking their mind for some reason.

I like it, even when I don’t agree with the stance. As long as the game and your colleagues are being respected, let loose, it’s refreshing.
RE: ...  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16071138 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Love the NBA. After the NFL, it is my favorite pro sport.

My biggest issue with the sport is the load management aspect. It drives me insane. I think Pop & the Spurs were the leaders in driving that to the fore. And I love Pop, but I detest that component of the game.


This is one of my big issues and to your point Popovich really took it to a new level. And coincidentally he’s probably my favorite coach of all time and those Spurs teams were among my favorite alll time. But too many nights off is absolutely killer for a fan base and I don’t think anything can be done about it other than docking game checks which would never be something agreed upon by the players union.
RE: I have had no luck starting game threads  
bluefin : 3/20/2023 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16071160 larryflower37 said:
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This season.
Who started the Denver thread start this on keep the streak alive

I started the Celts thread - that’s good mojo…
RE: Knicks -9 tonight scary line  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2023 7:34 pm : link
In comment 16071165 larryflower37 said:
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Trap game ?


No Edwards, got to get on them early
UConn4523.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2023 7:42 pm : link
& I get like the rationale for load management from the perspective of the teams. You'd rather Kawhi be 100% come the postseason vs. a meaningless Wednesday night game in March vs. the Magic. But it is a total FU to the fans.

The Lakers make one trip to NYC a season. This year, they had AB & LBJ sit out vs. the Nets so both could be full go vs. the Knicks on national TV. Imagine if you're some Nets fan-the few that exist..absent EricinLI, Haha-& you shell out serious coin to see LeBron & he ends up being a healthy scratch. That'd piss me off to no end.
I listened to an interview with Lillard today  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:23 pm : link
and he was talking about how meaningless the regular season has become for people and the NBA has pushed this rings or you are worthless mentality which has permeated into the fan base. I think it’s completely true, and it’s infiltrated the NFL as well. The MLB to an extent but it still does the best job commemorating statistics and regular season achievements IMO. That used to be what I loved most about sports. Title or bust isn’t interesting to me.

Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.
RE: I listened to an interview with Lillard today  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16071238 UConn4523 said:
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and he was talking about how meaningless the regular season has become for people and the NBA has pushed this rings or you are worthless mentality which has permeated into the fan base. I think it’s completely true, and it’s infiltrated the NFL as well. The MLB to an extent but it still does the best job commemorating statistics and regular season achievements IMO. That used to be what I loved most about sports. Title or bust isn’t interesting to me.

Just an interesting cliff note, his perspective is refreshing.


Lillard isn’t going to even make the playoffs. How can he say that the regular season doesn’t matter?

Likeable guy but he’s just protecting himself.
Listen to the interview  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:33 pm : link
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There’s a lot to like about this Knicks team  
aimrocky : 3/20/2023 8:34 pm : link
And it starts with their effort on a nightly basis. They are an anomaly within the NBA, which is the problem with the league.

I’m a regular watcher of the Knicks, and a new watcher of the Rangers (I’ve been watching regularly for the past 2-3 seasons). If the Knicks and Rangers are on simultaneously, I’ll watch the Knicks. If I’m looking for a random game to watch and my choices are NBA or NHL, I’m choosing NHL.
I’ll check it out  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2023 8:34 pm : link
The “Rings” mentality is definitely dumb.
RE: I’ll check it out  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2023 8:55 pm : link
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The “Rings” mentality is definitely dumb.


It wasn’t about any single season, it was more about legacy and the differences between when he came up and how it is now. I agree with his POV and it’s contributed to me taking sports less seriously now. Every conversation just ends up about titles and that’s boring and completely ridiculous.
Watch this video and what Riley says at the end  
Sean : 3/20/2023 9:30 pm : link
A completely different game now.
Link - ( New Window )
Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Sean : 3/21/2023 5:37 am : link
Come on.
Loved the Ewing  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/21/2023 2:16 pm : link
Oakley, Mason, and Starks led Knicks and Oakley was my favorite Knick. No frigging way I could root for the Carmelo Anthony led Knicks.
RE: Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2023 3:58 pm : link
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Come on.






The average NBA score in the 1960s was 115ppg (7774 games)

The average NBA score in the 1970s was 108.3ppg

The average NBA score in the 1980s was 109ppg.

The average NBA score in the 2020s has been 112ppg (8890 games so far)

Not sure that points per game is really moving that much.




They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 4:26 pm : link
than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).

If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.
My point isn't to say that you have to like it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2023 4:56 pm : link
But high scoring games definitely aren't a modern phenom in the NBA. You can go back before the 3 point shot was legal and still find 140, 150 point games.

Using last night's Knicks game as a test case is even a pretty big outlier. MIN was missing their star player and had a bench guy go 8-8 from 3. They weren't leaving him open. He was just absurdly hot.

Rogue games aren’t an issue but season  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 5:17 pm : link
averages are a big enough sample size. 114 PPG hasn’t happened for over 50 years and outside of the past 4/5 season, 110 PPG hasn’t happened since the mid 80s. The scoring difference is massive and why it’s different is also massive.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:47 pm : link
I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.
RE: ...  
Sean : 3/21/2023 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16072101 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.

Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:54 pm : link
The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...
RE: They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
Enzo : 3/21/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16071978 UConn4523 said:
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than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).

but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!

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If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.

You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2023 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16072106 Sean said:
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I'd rather 140-138 final scores instead of 80-79 final scores. I remember one Finals game between the Spurs & the Nets where it was something like a 79-78 final.

Of course the ideal would be somewhere in the middle.


Wow so you weren’t a fan of those Knick-Heat battles?


They were intense and tough games but the basketball was horrible, it was a grind..

They were fun because they meant so much..

Playoffs in the NBA are still the same but the difference is the players are better offensively..
RE: Last nights Knicks score: 140-134 in regulation  
Enzo : 3/21/2023 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16071404 Sean said:
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Come on.

I'm not going to say last night's Knick game was a prime example of great defense - but the final score had more to do with ridiculous shot making and skill by both teams than anything else.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 7:30 pm : link
I'm assuming-based on his handle-it was the UConn Huskies. Haha.
RE: Sean.  
Sean : 3/21/2023 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16072114 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...

For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.

Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.
RE: RE: Sean.  
nygiants16 : 3/21/2023 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16072178 Sean said:
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In comment 16072114 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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The games were intense AF, but also ugly AF at times. Throw in Riles-who I viewed as the antichrist during those years-& Miami usually getting the better of us...

& don't even get me started on the '97 semifinals...


For me nothing will ever match that intensity. I just don’t think a rivalry will ever approach that again. Fist fights were the norm for that rivalry. Those teams HATED each other. And there was Knicks-Pacers and Knicks-Bulls too. It was just different back then and I fucking loved it.

Maybe some of you didn’t who are waxing poetic about todays NBA. But I loved it.


I loved it to but i can also see how the basketball was bad..
RE: RE: They take 20+ more 3s a game now  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2023 8:41 pm : link
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than they did in the 90s - you either like that or you don’t (I can’t stand it). In this current season scoring is over 114 PPG which is 15-20ppg higher than most of the 90s and early 2000s (peak NBA IMO).


but increased 3 point shooting in college basketball is ok, right? UCONN took about 15 threes a game 20 years ago. This year it was 25! The horror!



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If you like the current product that’s great. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the style of play is a turnoff to people. It’s not even close to what I grew up watching. Times changes for every sport but this decade isn’t it IMO. Maybe something changes one day.


You can't get more intellectually lazy than "things were better when I was young". how much did you actually watch "growing up"? Who did you root for?


Boy are you butthurt I don’t like the nba. Find a hobbie.

And yes, they do shoot too many 3s in college, can’t stand when UConn does it. But let me know when I stated that 3s were the only problem with the NBA.
Cowherd just touched on this  
Sean : 3/24/2023 12:44 pm : link
He said college basketball has been destroying the NBA in the ratings in March. He noted the skill set being much better in the NBA, but fans like passion. NBA players tell you they don’t care about the regular season, so why should the fans?
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