“ #Giants are signing former @DukeFOOTBALL cornerback Leonard Johnson to a three-year contract, per a league source @KPRC2 Healthy again, Johnson impressed the Giants during a workout today and now is being signed by Joe Schoen and coached by Brian Daboll, Wink Martindale”
I’m sure the numbers are quite favorable for us
I wonder if we found someone who can really contribute in our defensive backfield.
Excited if he turns out to be a diamond in the rough.
this move has 0 impact on whatever they do at 25. that goes for any minimum deal.
Height: 6003
Weight: 194
Wingspan: 75 1/2"
Arm: 31 1/8"
Hand: 8 1/2"
40: 4.50
Broad Jump: 10'5"
Vert: 33"
Bench: 12 reps
3-cone: 6.65
From Pro Football Network:
Positives: Nice-sized, physical cornerback who mixes it up with opponents and fires upfield to defend the run. Effectively diagnoses plays, quickly picks up assignments, and is most effective facing the action. Physically beats down opponents to defend the throw and competes against bigger opponents.
Negatives: Must improve his footwork, as he’s all over the place and off-balance backpedaling. Slow in transition, late reacting to receiver’s moves, and struggles in downfield coverage. Never really lived up to expectations.
Pretty clear that Schoen is using these signings to build the depth, just like he did last year during the draft when he traded down to get more picks. These signings in fact may indicate that the Giants might use some of their day three picks to trade up in rounds two and three.
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To OL at # 25.
this move has 0 impact on whatever they do at 25. that goes for any minimum deal.
Maybe this casts a diversion as to what direction they want to go at 25.
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To OL at # 25.
this move has 0 impact on whatever they do at 25. that goes for any minimum deal.
Maybe this casts a diversion as to what direction they want to go at 25.
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To OL at # 25.
this move has 0 impact on whatever they do at 25. that goes for any minimum deal.
Maybe this casts a diversion as to what direction they want to go at 25.
are you suggesting that the Giants signed this guy to a 3 year deal so they could disguise their desire to draft a CB with their first pick?
I doubt it.
this move will have no impact on what they do @25...this is a longshot signing to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Not someone they are penciling in a starter.
*nods head
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Height: 6003
Weight: 194
Wingspan: 75 1/2"
Arm: 31 1/8"
Hand: 8 1/2"
40: 4.50
Broad Jump: 10'5"
Vert: 33"
Bench: 12 reps
3-cone: 6.65
From Pro Football Network:
Positives: Nice-sized, physical cornerback who mixes it up with opponents and fires upfield to defend the run. Effectively diagnoses plays, quickly picks up assignments, and is most effective facing the action. Physically beats down opponents to defend the throw and competes against bigger opponents.
Negatives: Must improve his footwork, as he’s all over the place and off-balance backpedaling. Slow in transition, late reacting to receiver’s moves, and struggles in downfield coverage. Never really lived up to expectations.
That 3 cone stands out..
This is essentially a UDFA signing one year late because he was coming off an ACL. So he should be viewed as an undrafted rookie free agent and nothing more at this stage.
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a 3 year deal is essentially giving him the remainder of a rookie contract. the 3 year commitment indicates they like him closer to a draft pick than a udfa. interesting.
This is the correct assessment.
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a 3 year deal is essentially giving him the remainder of a rookie contract. the 3 year commitment indicates they like him closer to a draft pick than a udfa. interesting.
This is the correct assessment.
lol
Pros:
Outside cornerback who is primarily deployed in press. Johnson is pesky at the line of scrimmage with active hands and the ability to counterpunch. Throwing off route timing allows him to sit on underneath routes. Possessing lower body flexion he has good change of direction ability. Johnson plays through the catch point very well, often knocking the ball out late. He shows a willingness to come downhill in run support.
Cons:
Average speed that he does not trust causes Johnson to get grabby downfield. He is often late flipping his hips, staying square for too long and letting receivers run on his toes or blow-by. A lack of play strength allows receivers to push him off consistently. In man coverage he panics when the ball is in the air, arriving too early and getting flagged. He is a poor tackler who just throws his shoulder around. Getting blocked by receivers happens too frequently. Johnson looks back for the ball after the first break causing him to get surprised by double moves. He can be slow to line up against the no-huddle offense.
UDFA, fine... but thinking he might actually fill a slot this year?!? Please.
Future practice squader at best, IMO.
maybe whoever put this out did so with explicitly misleading language relative to any other signing, as always we'll see what the guarantee is, but i would think it's going to be more in line with the better UDFA deals that go to guys who teams considered having draftable grades.
maybe whoever put this out did so with explicitly misleading language relative to any other signing, as always we'll see what the guarantee is, but i would think it's going to be more in line with the better UDFA deals that go to guys who teams considered having draftable grades.
No.
This is essentially late UDFA signing, nothing more.
"Put out"... the agent "put it out."
UDFAs sign multi-year deals, just like all of the UDFAs last year and the year before and the year before, etc.
Does anyone besides Big Blue Blogger know what UDFA contracts look like?
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To OL at # 25.
this move has 0 impact on whatever they do at 25. that goes for any minimum deal.
Agreed. This is the equivalent to signing maybe a 5th or 6th rounder tops. They like what they see and are taking a flier on him. This in no way will impact whether they were considering a CB in round 1 or 2 or not.
I got ya. To me the gist of the signing was that the team wanted to maintain multiple years of control over him like a late round pick or an early UDFA. So it's no biggie if you delete my reply.
UDFA, fine... but thinking he might actually fill a slot this year?!? Please.
Future practice squader at best, IMO.
His 40 time at his pro day was actually 4.54
Very slow for a CB who is not particularly big
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I just bought a lottery ticket! Should I reconsider my retirement plan?
Agreed. We obviously like some but taking a cheap flyer
We did the same with big roy last yr. Think that was a 3 yr “ deal”
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the reason UDFA's have leverage and sometimes decent gtd$ is because there is a competition for their services from teams who think those players DRAFTABLE grades. the ones who dont have good grades get try out deals or very little gtd$. and the cattle call marketplace for that is a pretty specific event that's unique to post-draft. over the rest of the nfl calendar those same guys are basically on week to week contracts w/ practice squads.
maybe whoever put this out did so with explicitly misleading language relative to any other signing, as always we'll see what the guarantee is, but i would think it's going to be more in line with the better UDFA deals that go to guys who teams considered having draftable grades.
No.
This is essentially late UDFA signing, nothing more.
"Put out"... the agent "put it out."
UDFAs sign multi-year deals, just like all of the UDFAs last year and the year before and the year before, etc.
is a deal "in line with one of the better udfa deals" not still a udfa deal? let's see what the guaranteed $ is, some udfas get nothing and some get gtd$ close to what draft picks get. last year they gave corbin close to what most 7th rounders get.
No. He was recovering from an ACL last year.
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...a CB that ran a 4.5 40 before blowing out his knee.
UDFA, fine... but thinking he might actually fill a slot this year?!? Please.
Future practice squader at best, IMO.
His 40 time at his pro day was actually 4.54
Very slow for a CB who is not particularly big
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maybe he just ran a 4.45 for giants at tryout?
Please help me! Tell me that the Giants' current CB situation with Johnson is totally different from what our 2018 CB situation was when we drafted Beal.
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...a CB that ran a 4.5 40 before blowing out his knee.
UDFA, fine... but thinking he might actually fill a slot this year?!? Please.
Future practice squader at best, IMO.
His 40 time at his pro day was actually 4.54
Very slow for a CB who is not particularly big
maybe he just ran a 4.45 for giants at tryout?
Could actually be something like that. Or his quickness out of breaks impressed them. As somebody noted above, LJ's 3 cone time was quite good
Supposedly, he was very aggressive in run support in college. He is also 6'1."
The top players come back closer to average and the average players come back below average. I am not enthusiastic about the prospects for Leonard Johnson.
The 6-foot, 194-pound corner tore his ACL while training for the 2022 NFL Draft. He went undrafted and then unsigned as he recovered from the knee injury.
Johnson missed only one game during his time at Duke, playing 47 career contests with 39 starts. He finished his collegiate career with 165 total tackles, 10 tackles for loss, two sacks, six interceptions, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, 17 pass breakups and two quarterback hurries.
Prior to his injury, Johnson participated at Duke's pro day where he ran a 4.54 40-yard dash and registered a vertical jump of 33.0 and broad jump of 10.5.
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The top players come back closer to average and the average players come back below average. I am not enthusiastic about the prospects for Leonard Johnson.
Depends on the PR and how they follow it. The new ACL is a tendon and will be stronger. If they sat around eating Cheetos all day for sure they will suck. If you can get surgery almost immediately then the other muscles do not atrophy much
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What I have read suggests that after ACL surgery NFL players do not come back totally healthy and as good as new.
The top players come back closer to average and the average players come back below average. I am not enthusiastic about the prospects for Leonard Johnson.
Depends on the PR and how they follow it. The new ACL is a tendon and will be stronger. If they sat around eating Cheetos all day for sure they will suck. If you can get surgery almost immediately then the other muscles do not atrophy much
This guy also had a meniscus tear. Sad that it happened, but honestly I don't understand the point of this signing. He was slow before he had a severe knee injury.
Not guaranteed. All undrafted deals are 3 years for minimum each year. Only variable is signing bonus, which I’m sure is tiny.