i think so. and ezeudu the starting lg. cant imagine they are counting from lemieux with all the injuries and how bad he looked. i have a lot more faith in wyatt davis and tyre phillips than lemieux.
If youngsters step up and improve IOL of ezuedu,BB, SL, glow and mckethen may be workable
And of course once of our top two picks could be IOL. Heck it may be two picks over first 5 rds
Don't know whether Gates' drop in performance last year was a temporary result due to injury, or permanent. Nor do I even know if Gates would have gone back to C from G. But I would feel more comfortable with him still on the roster.
i think so. and ezeudu the starting lg. cant imagine they are counting from lemieux with all the injuries and how bad he looked. i have a lot more faith in wyatt davis and tyre phillips than lemieux.
That's what Eric has on the depth chart, Seems a reasonable take. With Ezudu/Lemieux competing at LG and Glowinski/McKethan (if healthy) at RG that's not too bad.
Center now comes a need, and starting a Rookie next to Ezedu is going to be tough. Especially against the cowboys and eagles who run a lot of stunts.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
It was need either way. IMHO Schoen and Dabs had a view of Feliciano and he wasn't good enough to build on going forward. He was a one year stop gap. Time to move on and get better
Center now comes a need, and starting a Rookie next to Ezedu is going to be tough. Especially against the cowboys and eagles who run a lot of stunts.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
If he was so important, why didn't the FO offer him more competitive money. I don't think the FO or Daboll valued him as much as you seem to.
They clearly didn't. But the question is, should they have? Obviously, we should defer to the opinions of the professionals, but it would help to have a sense of what their plan is.
Daboll and Schoen felt comfortable enough to let him go.
We'll see how things unravel.
I agree with you Toth. But guys like Gates and Felcianio held this team together last season, especially down the stretch. NOT guys like Slayton and Parris Campell.
Last season, JS promised to keep DJ upright, and look what happened.... we won a playoff game with a half decent O-line and a healthy SB.
Remember when we started Billy Price, Matt Skura, Nate Soldier and Hernandez? Remember when DJ had all these strip sack fumble problems?
My point is this: Don't get too cute, JS- re-invest in the O-line, they are what got you this far!
I do think the solution likely is in-house, maybe a Day 2 draft pick but somebody with some starting experience needs to be added. Doesn't have to be BPA, find another Feliciano.
I don't think we should sweat those guys leaving. However, yeah, they're going to need to acquire a couple of centers — and/or move someone already on the roster to center.
Center now comes a need, and starting a Rookie next to Ezedu is going to be tough. Especially against the cowboys and eagles who run a lot of stunts.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
Center was just as big a need if we re-signed him. He was terrible at OC. At this point, we might be better off with Bredeson given a shot at OC until we have a better OC in place. I expect us to draft one and sign a FA.
But I guess they thought Feliciano was not as as good as Bredeson, which is bad if center is your only position. Gates was too pricey for what he is right now, but this quite a gamble
I don't think we should sweat those guys leaving. However, yeah, they're going to need to acquire a couple of centers — and/or move someone already on the roster to center.
That’s where I’m at. If anything it makes it more clear we will be upgrading Center. I don’t think the play in the interior can get much worse.
Feliciano spent the first four years of his career in Oakland.
Maybe it came down to him wanting to return to the Bay area. He's originally from New York, but his family moved to Florida a long time ago. I guess he'll play guard, with Brendel remaining at center.
Or maybe the Giants simply decided to move on. Although he's far from the worst center in the League, I don't expect he'll be a big loss. (I know - be careful what you wish for.)
I don't think we should sweat those guys leaving. However, yeah, they're going to need to acquire a couple of centers — and/or move someone already on the roster to center.
That’s where I’m at. If anything it makes it more clear we will be upgrading Center. I don’t think the play in the interior can get much worse.
things can always get worst but for the majority of the season it was pretty terrible. it got a little better down the stretch but it was definitely an area that was bad for enough of the season that upgrading shouldnt be impossible.
They want their young bucks to play, and Feliciano was a bit of a disappointment last season. Pencil in Bredeson at OC, wager on Ez at LG, and see what the rest of UFA and draft bring.
My initial thought was Bredeson would be the interim Center
But, Ezeudu was mentioned as a possibility there last year and Lemieux practiced there a bit last summer. I wouldn't rely on Lemiuex for anything other than depth and even that may be on thin ice. But Ezeudu and Bredeson could potentially be LG and OC, unclear who would man which position yet.
But, Ezeudu was mentioned as a possibility there last year and Lemieux practiced there a bit last summer. I wouldn't rely on Lemiuex for anything other than depth and even that may be on thin ice. But Ezeudu and Bredeson could potentially be LG and OC, unclear who would man which position yet.
That said, I'd really like to draft a good OC.
At his best Bredeson is a backup
There is no doubt that either a vet center will be brought in, or a center will be drafted, or maybe even both
but at the very worst they are very solid depth... I've seen our seasons crumble too many times the past 5-6 years when 1 o-linemen goes down and backup cant keep the QB off his ass.
Not a huge loss but this tells me we're most likely going center in the 1st or 2nd round. Also, why is everyone so high on Ezeudu? I see him penciled in as the LG on a lot of these posts. I didn't see much that popped when he played last year. And he got beat out by Lemieux, Bredeson and a 1 legged Gates.
But, I don't it as a big loss as some do. Feliciano may have known the system and the OL calls, but he wasn't a natural center and was a terrible blocker. I see Gates as the bigger loss.
Not a huge loss but this tells me we're most likely going center in the 1st or 2nd round. Also, why is everyone so high on Ezeudu? I see him penciled in as the LG on a lot of these posts. I didn't see much that popped when he played last year. And he got beat out by Lemieux, Bredeson and a 1 legged Gates.
This is simply not true -- he was injured and placed on IR -- he kept getting starting chances and they also rotated him into games
Not a huge loss but this tells me we're most likely going center in the 1st or 2nd round. Also, why is everyone so high on Ezeudu? I see him penciled in as the LG on a lot of these posts. I didn't see much that popped when he played last year. And he got beat out by Lemieux, Bredeson and a 1 legged Gates.
He did and he didn't. He got hurt. Ezeudu can move really well. Yes he did have pass blocking issues, early on. But his run blocking is really good.
It's pretty obvious where the Giants think they sucked up front last year, though. We got manhandled by the Eagles and Cowboys up front. We can't just return the same OL that didn't match up.
Not a huge loss but this tells me we're most likely going center in the 1st or 2nd round. Also, why is everyone so high on Ezeudu? I see him penciled in as the LG on a lot of these posts. I didn't see much that popped when he played last year. And he got beat out by Lemieux, Bredeson and a 1 legged Gates.
Remember, injuries played a pretty big part in that. They certainly drafted him believing he was starting material. Now we'll see.
I’m mildly surprised that both Gates and Feliciano were allowed to leave. That said the pressure up the middle we had last year was totally unacceptable. I certainly didn’t want either player to start in 2023 but thought one would be depth. I have no problem with this decision and expect a center and a guard to be drafted next month.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
We'll see how things unravel.
i wonder if they want to give both ezeudu and bredeson chances to start and to not have to compete with each other at lg?
i think so. and ezeudu the starting lg. cant imagine they are counting from lemieux with all the injuries and how bad he looked. i have a lot more faith in wyatt davis and tyre phillips than lemieux.
Rookie also
If youngsters step up and improve IOL of ezuedu,BB, SL, glow and mckethen may be workable
And of course once of our top two picks could be IOL. Heck it may be two picks over first 5 rds
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i think so. and ezeudu the starting lg. cant imagine they are counting from lemieux with all the injuries and how bad he looked. i have a lot more faith in wyatt davis and tyre phillips than lemieux.
And they may like Davis and kindley
That's what Eric has on the depth chart, Seems a reasonable take. With Ezudu/Lemieux competing at LG and Glowinski/McKethan (if healthy) at RG that's not too bad.
Either Bredeson or Ezeudu.
Makes the mocks with us picking a C high a little more realistic, too, IMO.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
It was need either way. IMHO Schoen and Dabs had a view of Feliciano and he wasn't good enough to build on going forward. He was a one year stop gap. Time to move on and get better
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
If he was so important, why didn't the FO offer him more competitive money. I don't think the FO or Daboll valued him as much as you seem to.
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Center now comes a need, and starting a Rookie next to Ezedu is going to be tough. Especially against the cowboys and eagles who run a lot of stunts.
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
If he was so important, why didn't the FO offer him more competitive money. I don't think the FO or Daboll valued him as much as you seem to.
They clearly didn't. But the question is, should they have? Obviously, we should defer to the opinions of the professionals, but it would help to have a sense of what their plan is.
We'll see how things unravel.
I agree with you Toth. But guys like Gates and Felcianio held this team together last season, especially down the stretch. NOT guys like Slayton and Parris Campell.
Last season, JS promised to keep DJ upright, and look what happened.... we won a playoff game with a half decent O-line and a healthy SB.
Remember when we started Billy Price, Matt Skura, Nate Soldier and Hernandez? Remember when DJ had all these strip sack fumble problems?
My point is this: Don't get too cute, JS- re-invest in the O-line, they are what got you this far!
I think that's the Giants plan. I'd feel a little better with more competition there but Bredeson made big improvements last year.
If we thought that....I will assume the coaches and personal departments knows it.
They must have a plan
Feliciano was not perfect by any means, but he knew the system, made the right calls at the LOS and held down the fort.
Jones will now have a new Center AGAIN UGH
Don't sleep on Pio
That’s where I’m at. If anything it makes it more clear we will be upgrading Center. I don’t think the play in the interior can get much worse.
Or maybe the Giants simply decided to move on. Although he's far from the worst center in the League, I don't expect he'll be a big loss. (I know - be careful what you wish for.)
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I don't think we should sweat those guys leaving. However, yeah, they're going to need to acquire a couple of centers — and/or move someone already on the roster to center.
That’s where I’m at. If anything it makes it more clear we will be upgrading Center. I don’t think the play in the interior can get much worse.
things can always get worst but for the majority of the season it was pretty terrible. it got a little better down the stretch but it was definitely an area that was bad for enough of the season that upgrading shouldnt be impossible.
That said, I'd really like to draft a good OC.
That said, I'd really like to draft a good OC.
At his best Bredeson is a backup
There is no doubt that either a vet center will be brought in, or a center will be drafted, or maybe even both
This is simply not true -- he was injured and placed on IR -- he kept getting starting chances and they also rotated him into games
He did and he didn't. He got hurt. Ezeudu can move really well. Yes he did have pass blocking issues, early on. But his run blocking is really good.
It's pretty obvious where the Giants think they sucked up front last year, though. We got manhandled by the Eagles and Cowboys up front. We can't just return the same OL that didn't match up.
Remember, injuries played a pretty big part in that. They certainly drafted him believing he was starting material. Now we'll see.