I’m mildly surprised that both Gates and Feliciano were allowed to leave. That said the pressure up the middle we had last year was totally unacceptable. I certainly didn’t want either player to start in 2023 but thought one would be depth. I have no problem with this decision and expect a center and a guard to be drafted next month.
cheech- depth is exactly my point. It's one injury away from looking an awful lot like 2015-2021 Offensive line.
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But pretty sure if they wanted him back, he would be back.
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I agree with you Peter. Since his Dad lives in NY, I figured the Giants only needed to match another team’s offer, so I’m guessing 49ers offer was higher than the Giants wanted to go.
They brought him in, saw his play and decided he wasn’t in their plans moving forward. That’s encouraging to me. They’re not beholden to anyone who doesn’t do the job they expect. No loyalty. You know the “sin” this org. has been accused of exhibiting..
Part of the theory that the staff liked Feliciano is based on them not trying Gates at center. It's possible they just weren't that impressed with either of them.
Question I have is what are they looking for arch-type wise
I don't think we should sweat those guys leaving. However, yeah, they're going to need to acquire a couple of centers — and/or move someone already on the roster to center.
I'm not sure there is system for but there are or 4 highly regarded centers in the draft.
Part of the theory that the staff liked Feliciano is based on them not trying Gates at center. It's possible they just weren't that impressed with either of them.
Matt -- I think this is true; and while it's true that Gates was a fighter, he could not hold up for an entire game all season. Feliciano was also having problems staying on the field. They just were what the Giants had last year.
There was nothing there with those two that can't be replaced in my opinion
Yet another player released by Tennessee, Jones has been one of the league’s better centers since entering the NFL in 2012. He turns 34 in July and missed five games in 2022, but he missed just one total through his first 10 seasons, and he remains an above-average player. He has allowed just two sacks over the last three seasons, according to TruMedia.
Daniel Brunskill, G/C, 49ers (29)
Coaches say Brunskill is one of the smartest players on the squad, and he’s capable of playing any of the five spots along the offensive line. He and rookie Spencer Burford alternated at right guard in 2024, and Brunskill also served as the team’s backup center. If Brendel was snapped up by another squad, the 49ers would push to retain Brunskill and probably would play him at center. Link - ( New Window )
Has been get OGs and train them to play both OG and OC. (Rather than drafting pure OCs who can only play one position).
There was no one even GOOD at OG or OC last year. If you really want to upgrade the interior OL, you let Gates and Feliciano go, and don't worry about it at all. Clearly the Giants aren't worried. Maybe it's Brederson for now. But they could still do more work there before the season.
it's time to look forward for solutions rather than in the past. They drafted three OL a year ago, hopefully Ez is ready to win a starting job and Neal shows growth with his mental game, feet, etc. Got to find a OC even if it's a stop gap improvement so they can draft and/or develop one.
[quote]John Michael Schmitz is an outstanding pro prospect - his technique is generally impressive, while his strength and overall power are outstanding for the position. As a run blocker, he is elite and for a run-heavy NFL team, he could quickly develop into a pro bowl level player. In pass protection he is good but his production doesn't match that of his run blocking, which may limit his draft demand.
Expect Schmitz to be a first-round selection - and well worth one- in the 2023 NFL Draft and be either the first or second center to come off the board. [/qute] Link - ( New Window )
But they have 3 guys in house who supposedly could project to OC in Ezeudu,Bredeson and Lemieux. Bredeson actually seemed to play well at the position too.
Feliciano in my opinion was simply not a high level starter and Bredeson from what eyes saw with some more practice would be better.
Am I making this up or did Ezeudu take snaps at center last preseason? Maybe that’s the answer as finding an OG with experience may be easier than a center at this stage.
In comment 16071097 Sky King said:
Ben Jones had two concussions and was place on IR in December after the 2nd one. He was also release from the Titans after failing his physical. Great player but maybe he is stil in the concussion protocol?
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Ben Jones, C, Titans (34)
Yet another player released by Tennessee, Jones has been one of the league’s better centers since entering the NFL in 2012. He turns 34 in July and missed five games in 2022, but he missed just one total through his first 10 seasons, and he remains an above-average player. He has allowed just two sacks over the last three seasons, according to TruMedia.
Daniel Brunskill, G/C, 49ers (29)
Coaches say Brunskill is one of the smartest players on the squad, and he’s capable of playing any of the five spots along the offensive line. He and rookie Spencer Burford alternated at right guard in 2024, and Brunskill also served as the team’s backup center. If Brendel was snapped up by another squad, the 49ers would push to retain Brunskill and probably would play him at center. Link - ( New Window )
So you're saying we need someone tough smart & dependable
Leaning more and more towards OL at # 25. Schmitz is looking like that guy. I don't think we should dick around by trading down for more value. Scuttlebutt is he's gone by early round two.
Feliciano was always a stopgap at best. Would have been decent for depth but at this point Bredeson - or McKethan - has more upside. As would a 2023 draft pick.
Am I making this up or did Ezeudu take snaps at center last preseason? Maybe that’s the answer as finding an OG with experience may be easier than a center at this stage.
don't see Feliciano or Gates as big losses frankly. Thomas and Neal are the only irreplaceable OL right now. Everyone else is a journeyman or unproven.
I also don't think the Giants allowing Feliciano to leave says anything about how they feel about Lemieux. He's been injured a lot.
don't see Feliciano or Gates as big losses frankly. Thomas and Neal are the only irreplaceable OL right now. Everyone else is a journeyman or unproven.
I also don't think the Giants allowing Feliciano to leave says anything about how they feel about Lemieux. He's been injured a lot.
Good luck to Feliciano.
Agreed, I would put Glowinski as one we probably don’t want to lose this year. From an interior line perspective they drafted Ezeudu and McKethan last year for a reason. Ezeudu will hopefully step up and man the LG spot. I’m sure they’ll draft at least 1-2 interior lineman at this point.
Said Giants only interest in Gates was as a backup. They didn’t see him as a starting Center. He also said they had interest in Feliciano but it was as a 1 year vet stopgap but he also mentioned not to sleep on Bredeson at center.
is now a must.....Giants could trade down in the first and get a very good OC and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick in the process. The Giants can still make a trade too, if there’s one to be made. Bredeson can play Center and seemed quite capable, albeit during pre-season, but could be a depth piece there.
is now a must.....Giants could trade down in the first and get a very good OC and pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick in the process. The Giants can still make a trade too, if there’s one to be made. Bredeson can play Center and seemed quite capable, albeit during pre-season, but could be a depth piece there.
We said the same thing 3 years ago. Everyone expected them to select a center early and then they surprised all of us by not drafting one. They liked Gates at center and hopefully this year they are convinced that Bredeson can be the guy. Even if he is I still hope that they draft one but I would prefer other positions selected in rounds 1 and 2.
But who TF is going to play center? And is Ezeudu just going to be penciled in at LG? I know everyone says we need a WR1 and we do but I think IOL and CB are our 2 biggest needs for 2023
He got upset at being re-signed before FA, or early on in FA, then with NG going to DC felt he could hold them hostage for a few more $$$, they still didn’t bite so he said goodbye.
What is whatshisname, our nondescript C during the DG years doing these days?
Seemed like a good guy but I’m glad we are moving on
His play was below average so we can easily find an equal replacement. Hopefully we find an upgrade. I really wanted them to go hard after a C in FA. Maybe they did. I think Bredeson can be as good as Feliciano at C maybe better.
Ezeudo is the starting G unless someone else steps up. If I were Lemieux I’d spend the off-season snapping.
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Eagles are going to draft O'Cyrus Torrence in the first round and their OL is somehow going to be even better than it was in '22
Leaning more and more towards OL at # 25. Schmitz is looking like that guy. I don't think we should dick around by trading down for more value. Scuttlebutt is he's gone by early round two.
Don’t know if the value matches up at 25
We drafted for need with guys like Pugh and flowers
I only want to if the board matches the draft slot.
Said Giants only interest in Gates was as a backup. They didn’t see him as a starting Center. He also said they had interest in Feliciano but it was as a 1 year vet stopgap but he also mentioned not to sleep on Bredeson at center.
cheech- depth is exactly my point. It's one injury away from looking an awful lot like 2015-2021 Offensive line.
I agree with you Peter. Since his Dad lives in NY, I figured the Giants only needed to match another team’s offer, so I’m guessing 49ers offer was higher than the Giants wanted to go.
Always injured.
Looks like they roll with Bredeson
cheech- depth is exactly my point. It's one injury away from looking an awful lot like 2015-2021 Offensive line.
this is a slight over-reaction -- you have an all-pro left tackle and a presumably up and coming RT
from 2015-2021 there was no RT, and no guards
they have up an coming guard in Ezeudo and the reports are that McKethan is well-liked
The Giants will bring a center in. This group running the Giants is not amateur hour
In this system does fluid/move work better or power?
Matt -- I think this is true; and while it's true that Gates was a fighter, he could not hold up for an entire game all season. Feliciano was also having problems staying on the field. They just were what the Giants had last year.
There was nothing there with those two that can't be replaced in my opinion
Yet another player released by Tennessee, Jones has been one of the league’s better centers since entering the NFL in 2012. He turns 34 in July and missed five games in 2022, but he missed just one total through his first 10 seasons, and he remains an above-average player. He has allowed just two sacks over the last three seasons, according to TruMedia.
Daniel Brunskill, G/C, 49ers (29)
Coaches say Brunskill is one of the smartest players on the squad, and he’s capable of playing any of the five spots along the offensive line. He and rookie Spencer Burford alternated at right guard in 2024, and Brunskill also served as the team’s backup center. If Brendel was snapped up by another squad, the 49ers would push to retain Brunskill and probably would play him at center.
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There was no one even GOOD at OG or OC last year. If you really want to upgrade the interior OL, you let Gates and Feliciano go, and don't worry about it at all. Clearly the Giants aren't worried. Maybe it's Brederson for now. But they could still do more work there before the season.
Expect Schmitz to be a first-round selection - and well worth one- in the 2023 NFL Draft and be either the first or second center to come off the board. [/qute]
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Feliciano in my opinion was simply not a high level starter and Bredeson from what eyes saw with some more practice would be better.
Ben Jones had two concussions and was place on IR in December after the 2nd one. He was also release from the Titans after failing his physical. Great player but maybe he is stil in the concussion protocol?
Yet another player released by Tennessee, Jones has been one of the league’s better centers since entering the NFL in 2012. He turns 34 in July and missed five games in 2022, but he missed just one total through his first 10 seasons, and he remains an above-average player. He has allowed just two sacks over the last three seasons, according to TruMedia.
Daniel Brunskill, G/C, 49ers (29)
Coaches say Brunskill is one of the smartest players on the squad, and he’s capable of playing any of the five spots along the offensive line. He and rookie Spencer Burford alternated at right guard in 2024, and Brunskill also served as the team’s backup center. If Brendel was snapped up by another squad, the 49ers would push to retain Brunskill and probably would play him at center. Link - ( New Window )
I'm pretty sure that Justin Pugh can easily be converted to center and never forget; Once a Giant - Always a Giant
No, I think you are confusing him with Bredeson.
I also don't think the Giants allowing Feliciano to leave says anything about how they feel about Lemieux. He's been injured a lot.
Good luck to Feliciano.
xman do you know what we call below average O-lineman? Depth. We need that as well
I'm pretty sure that Justin Pugh can easily be converted to center and never forget; Once a Giant - Always a Giant
I hope your joking. 🦖 is not needed on this squad.
I also don't think the Giants allowing Feliciano to leave says anything about how they feel about Lemieux. He's been injured a lot.
Good luck to Feliciano.
Agreed, I would put Glowinski as one we probably don’t want to lose this year. From an interior line perspective they drafted Ezeudu and McKethan last year for a reason. Ezeudu will hopefully step up and man the LG spot. I’m sure they’ll draft at least 1-2 interior lineman at this point.
Didn't we got enough game reviews by Sy lambasting clowns like Feliciano for their incompetent play?
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At center.
Don't sleep on Pio
lol
We said the same thing 3 years ago. Everyone expected them to select a center early and then they surprised all of us by not drafting one. They liked Gates at center and hopefully this year they are convinced that Bredeson can be the guy. Even if he is I still hope that they draft one but I would prefer other positions selected in rounds 1 and 2.
What is whatshisname, our nondescript C during the DG years doing these days?
Ezeudo is the starting G unless someone else steps up. If I were Lemieux I’d spend the off-season snapping.
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Eagles are going to draft O'Cyrus Torrence in the first round and their OL is somehow going to be even better than it was in '22
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cheech- depth is exactly my point. It's one injury away from looking an awful lot like 2015-2021 Offensive line.
this is a slight over-reaction -- you have an all-pro left tackle and a presumably up and coming RT
from 2015-2021 there was no RT, and no guards
they have up an coming guard in Ezeudo and the reports are that McKethan is well-liked
The Giants will bring a center in. This group running the Giants is not amateur hour
I just don’t think mckethen was in camp more than a week before hurt
Not much of a sample size. Beavers looked decent but only a couple of weeks too
Not having a plan would be to resign your guy and see what happens.
I like it.
Don’t know if the value matches up at 25
We drafted for need with guys like Pugh and flowers
I only want to if the board matches the draft slot.
Thought BB was effective as a OC