Interesting Athletic Article (behind paywall, but Athletic is the best deal going).
Highlights:
1). In season, Love turned down a Giants offer, that was better than what he got from the Seahawks.
2). Love gave Giants opportunity to match, and they did not. Author indicates they did not match because they had already signed Slayton. Don't know if that is speculation or sourced.
Non-Love issue:
Given Tunsil contract, starting price for AT is likely $25/per.
Discusses other issues as well.
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You can probably say that about Jones and Barkley too, which may have led to the Giants changing their mind on Love.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
The best Schultz can do this season? up to $9 mil if he hits all incentives.
If he wanted Seattle, why would he give the Giants the chance to match?
Not sure this was just prioritizing Slayton over Love. But as other have said in post yesterday, if the Giants really wanted to keep Love they could have done so.
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doesn't make much sense. Earlier they wanted Love over Slayton but later they didn't? Sounds like speculation.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
Schoen doesn't come across as a fly by the seat of his pants kind of guy.
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In comment 16071427 Eric from BBI said:
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doesn't make much sense. Earlier they wanted Love over Slayton but later they didn't? Sounds like speculation.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
Schoen doesn't come across as a fly by the seat of his pants kind of guy.
That's not my point. My point is that nobody thought Jones was getting the deal he did. We still have Barkley on the tag. We have like 3 mil in space right now if the other thread was accurate. Yes, we can make room if we want but that is just dipping into future years when we also have to pay rookies, have a good chunk of space for inseason moves which we weren't really able to make last year, and still have to address more needs on the team like C, CB, etc. As what was posted above, they wanted Love but they couldn't sit around on their asses waiting for him to figure out what he wanted. They made other moves and spent elsewhere.
But I think we're seeing a trend where players and agents overvalued themselves, pride painted them into a corner, and they decided to sign prove-it deals some place else.
Just speculation here on my part, but I think emotions/pride are the driving forces here with many of these moves.
Wouldn't be stunned to see a S pick in the mid to late rounds just to keep depth.
Sounds more like a miscalculation on his part and the Giants just doing business than anything else. He's a good guy, wish him well.
But I think we're seeing a trend where players and agents overvalued themselves, pride painted them into a corner, and they decided to sign prove-it deals some place else.
Just speculation here on my part, but I think emotions/pride are the driving forces here with many of these moves.
agree. Barkley should have grabbed those deals the Giants offered and held on like grim death.
I really am impressed at Schoen's handling of FA both in signings and with their own FAs. put a # on them and that's it. and FA being used for back filling and depth, not big ticket splashes.
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doesn't make much sense. Earlier they wanted Love over Slayton but later they didn't? Sounds like speculation.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
It was widely speculatde by the majority here, and the media, that the Giants wouldn't have the money for Slayton, Jones, Barkley AND Love, and that one would not be here this year. When musical chairs ended Love was the guy left without a seat. Had he signed at the time the original offer was made, it may well have been someone else not here, maybe slayton, or maybe the giants don't go that last extra bit at the end of negotiations and tag him instead. Remember, they were very, very close to doing so, and only after, on the last day, that jones, on his agents advice, made personal appeals to both management AND ownership, did they ultimately sign him.
Conventional wisdom that we wouldn't have all in this case was borne out by events.
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himself when he rejected our offer during the season, unless it didn’t matter and he wanted Seattle as it turned out
If he wanted Seattle, why would he give the Giants the chance to match?
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doesn't make much sense. Earlier they wanted Love over Slayton but later they didn't? Sounds like speculation.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
Schoen doesn't come across as a fly by the seat of his pants kind of guy.
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In comment 16071427 Eric from BBI said:
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doesn't make much sense. Earlier they wanted Love over Slayton but later they didn't? Sounds like speculation.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
Or the Giants spent more tham they thought and had to reevaluate.
Schoen doesn't come across as a fly by the seat of his pants kind of guy.
That's not my point. My point is that nobody thought Jones was getting the deal he did. We still have Barkley on the tag. We have like 3 mil in space right now if the other thread was accurate. Yes, we can make room if we want but that is just dipping into future years when we also have to pay rookies, have a good chunk of space for inseason moves which we weren't really able to make last year, and still have to address more needs on the team like C, CB, etc. As what was posted above, they wanted Love but they couldn't sit around on their asses waiting for him to figure out what he wanted. They made other moves and spent elsewhere.
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That’s somewhat on Love for rejecting a good offer but I thought Slayton’s offer was more than market.
You can probably say that about Jones and Barkley too, which may have led to the Giants changing their mind on Love.
No, I wouldn’t say that about either Jones or Barkley. No comparable in any way.
These are 32 of the most successful businessmen in history. Their contemporaries are spending less, cutting back, reducing headcount, etc. They aren't immune to it, these teams are businesses at the end of the day.
Pair that with a generally weaker free agent class, and you get the more restrained approach we've seen.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
I think it's possible that 1) They wanted both back; 2) They changed their mind on Slayton between the middle of the season and the end of the season; 3) They had a set amount of cap space they were willing to allocate to free agent retention, and Slayton grabbed what had been allotted to Love with his strong second half.
Jones also probably got some of it, given where his contract ended up coming in.
Good luck to Love.
They either wanted both back or feelings got hurt.
I think the idea was the money was already spent. Seems silly to me as well.
2. nyg thought love/rosenhaus misjudged the market and they were proven right.
3. both sides disengaged to move on to other things bc FA moves fast and by the time love came back to them with an offer in their price range they were out of $.
free agency is dynamic but their process led to them resigning a player they valued below another one for the same amount. how avoidable it was who knows, but that's not a good outcome and in sports outcomes are what matters.
very good reporting by duggan - the nyg valued love, love wanted to remain a giant, there was no mysterious affinity for the pacific northwest or falling out. all we can do now is hope slayton reaches his potential, which even as someone who would have chosen love 100/100 times, id acknowledge is probably higher.
they only ended up with slayton because of timing- he came back to them with a committable agreement before love did. speed kills.
The best Schultz can do this season? up to $9 mil if he hits all incentives.
Wouldn't be surprised if Jones was petulant and overly emotionally. A shame our GM is the same apparently.
I'm not sure what there is to understand.
The Giants had a set amount of money they wanted to spend on free agents. It sounds to me that if Love had agreed to offer the Giants 12 million/2 years BEFORE Slayton was resigned, it would be a done deal and they'd not sign Slayton.
Love, like Barkley, gambled on his value in free agency, and basically lost.
not really, he's got 10.5m gtd with the tag. the nyg aren't going to pull it and it's probably his best leverage to get a multi-year deal because the nyg were aggressive in spending $ so now they need cap space.
i do think part of the information getting out through duggan here is with the intent of players hearing that the nyg initial offer ended up higher than the open market. that's a cautionary tale as they are knee deep in a bunch of extension discussions.
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Now he has no long-term deal, might get traded, has less money. His agent is an absolute moron knowing that the RB position is not a top level pay position
not really, he's got 10.5m gtd with the tag. the nyg aren't going to pull it and it's probably his best leverage to get a multi-year deal because the nyg were aggressive in spending $ so now they need cap space.
i do think part of the information getting out through duggan here is with the intent of players hearing that the nyg initial offer ended up higher than the open market. that's a cautionary tale as they are knee deep in a bunch of extension discussions.
Leo Williams....