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Edge hasn’t been discussed in a while

HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/21/2023 11:06 am
Thibs, Ojulari, Ward and Ellerson Smith. Then what?

2022 began with both Thibs and Ojulari out with injuries, so at least this year our starters should be better out of the gate. Hopefully they both stay healthy.

Ward played more than expected, with snaps at edge and on the DL, Smith missed most of his first two seasons, plus the third before that when his college team’s season was cancelled due to Covid. Ximenes was ok, showed a few flashes but nothing to inspire thoughts of him returning. Am I forgetting anyone else?

Seems like we need at least another body or two. Positional value might suggest investing a day 1 or 2 draft pick, but needs at WR and CB (other high PVs of need) might make it less of a priority. Add in the uncertainty at C and perhaps we’re looking at day 3 to add depth at the edge.

BPA, if there is a stud who grades out as best value of course you grab him. But if we are looking at later round options what are the more important skill sets for edge in Wink’s defense? Setting the edge to keep the run game contained? That doesn’t seem to be the strengths of Thibs and Ojulari. So are we possibly looking for a situational edge guy who excels versus the run to spell our starters?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Wink’s defense a bit unusual in that it doesn’t necessarily rely on the edges for pressure, scheming instead from everywhere? So maybe what we’re looking for is less appreciated league wide and can be found later in the draft or on a vet minimum contract?

Thoughts?

I think Tomon Fox can be a factor as a situational guy.  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/21/2023 11:12 am : link
Impressed the coaching staff as an undrafted rookie. Was on the roster all season and even saw some playing time in the base defense at times. He has an interesting skillset.

With that said, I would have no issues with drafting an edge defender somewhat high as long as he is the best player available.
i think edge will be in consideration round 1  
Eric on Li : 3/21/2023 11:17 am : link
it's a strength of the draft and there was a noticeable drop off when ojulari was hurt. ojulari only has 1 more cheap year left anyway.

a lot of good pass rushing talent in this draft and buffalo took a ton of pass rushers early over the last several years. more than any other position by a lot.
2 huge storylines for the 2023 Giants  
GiantGrit : 3/21/2023 11:21 am : link
1. Can Evan Neal get better
2. Can Ojulari stay healthy

Even if he stays healthy, you need ER's. Definitely on the table for round 1.
I think it's in the conversation at #25  
allstarjim : 3/21/2023 11:22 am : link
I like Ojulari, but he hasn't been available enough.

Felix Anodike-Uzomah, Edge, Kansas State. 25.5 sacks the last two seasons.

I'm really convinced that the Giants will have a strong impact player available to them at an impact position...WR, CB, or Edge, at #25. To me, it's going to be tough to go in another direction if that's the case, unless they project the prospect to be elite very soon, which could be the case with someone like O'Cyrus Torrence.
RE: I think Tomon Fox can be a factor as a situational guy.  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/21/2023 11:23 am : link
In comment 16071630 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Impressed the coaching staff as an undrafted rookie. Was on the roster all season and even saw some playing time in the base defense at times. He has an interesting skillset.

With that said, I would have no issues with drafting an edge defender somewhat high as long as he is the best player available.


I forgot about Fox, thanks Vin. Still leaves room for a Ximenes replacement.
Even though I like him, Fox is a probably just a rotational piece...  
Vin_Cuccs : 3/21/2023 11:25 am : link
...unless he shows some huge improvement.

I don't think Tomon Fox should prevent the acquisition of another edge rusher.
So is the primary role of Edge pass rushing?  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/21/2023 11:28 am : link
League wide and in Wink’s system? And excelling vs the run more of a nice to have? Or do you expect them to do both at a high level.
RE: Even though I like him, Fox is a probably just a rotational piece...  
Eric on Li : 3/21/2023 11:29 am : link
In comment 16071657 Vin_Cuccs said:
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...unless he shows some huge improvement.

I don't think Tomon Fox should prevent the acquisition of another edge rusher.


agreed, i think fox is a longer term successor of jihad ward in that physical set the edge role. maybe he has a little more upside than that but i dont think they can count on that.
RE: I think Tomon Fox can be a factor as a situational guy.  
Spider56 : 3/21/2023 11:31 am : link
In comment 16071630 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Impressed the coaching staff as an undrafted rookie. Was on the roster all season and even saw some playing time in the base defense at times. He has an interesting skillset.

With that said, I would have no issues with drafting an edge defender somewhat high as long as he is the best player available.


I think he surprises big time this year. He had over 30 sacks and 44 TFLs at UNC and we know he can hit. Wink has had success with UDFAs before.
I do not trust  
MotownGIANTS : 3/21/2023 11:40 am : link
Azeez lower body to hold up ... we need a replace to downgrade him to situational pass rusher.
RE: 2 huge storylines for the 2023 Giants  
Red Right Hand : 3/21/2023 11:50 am : link
In comment 16071650 GiantGrit said:
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1. Can Evan Neal get better
2. Can Ojulari stay healthy

Even if he stays healthy, you need ER's. Definitely on the table for round 1.
If he doesn't
get better, are we looking at drafting a tackle rd 1 2024?
I am sorry but...  
AG5686 : 3/21/2023 12:02 pm : link
The idea that Edge is in play at #25 makes no sense to me...
wayyyy to many other needs.
In fact I'd be shocked if we take on before the 4th round...
IMHO
With Thibs, Ojulari, Fox and Smith, I’d be stunned  
Section331 : 3/21/2023 12:06 pm : link
if the Giants used a 1 on ER. I’m not saying it’s not a need, just that it’s pretty far down the list. Just listen to Wink himself, he says all the time that he’d rather have a stud CB than ER. Maybe rd 3 or 4, but no earlier.
Edge is always a consideration, especially in the premium rounds  
JonC : 3/21/2023 12:21 pm : link
Keep the pipeline flowing. Each DE after Thibs can be upgraded; Ward is year to year, Ojulari's struggling to stay healthy and his cheap years running out, Smith is probably a nothing-burger or cheap depth.

Easy to make the case to pick an Edge, especially if the talent is obvious over other positions.
RE: I am sorry but...  
fish3321 : 3/21/2023 12:26 pm : link
In comment 16071706 AG5686 said:
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The idea that Edge is in play at #25 makes no sense to me...
wayyyy to many other needs.
In fact I'd be shocked if we take on before the 4th round...
IMHO


you can never have enough pass rushers AG
I can definitely see  
George : 3/21/2023 12:46 pm : link
Edge at 25, and I’d be fine with that. NASCAR.
Edge players in both the speed guy and the 5 Tech  
Rjanyg : 3/21/2023 12:50 pm : link
could be targets.

We have 10 picks right now. I could see a few front 7 picks.

Even at 25.
maybe draft Ojulari's brother?  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2023 1:07 pm : link
seems like he could be a player.
agree...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/21/2023 1:08 pm : link
...if the WRs and CBs with RD1 grades are gone, I would like one of the tweeners like Van Ness and White.
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BleedBlue : 3/21/2023 1:09 pm : link
Be shocked if it’s edge at 25. We jus spent a first on edge. I’d be willing to make a wager it isn’t the position selected
I really think they are going straight BPA at #25  
eric2425ny : 3/21/2023 1:20 pm : link
The Waller and Campbell signings and bringing Slayton back takes away the urgency of being forced to take a WR in round 1-2. Whether it’s edge, CB, WR, LB, or IOL, they’ll go with the best one there. All of those positions are needs so hard to argue with any of them.
Wouldn't surprise me at all  
David B. : 3/21/2023 2:10 pm : link
If they went Edge at 25 if there's a good player there.

I'd actually be THRILLED with that.
Premium picks should be used on premium positions.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/21/2023 2:17 pm : link
Saying we have other needs is a poor way at looking at the draft. Needs absolutely factors in but it isn't the main factor. Also, stop focusing on balance. Every team has weaknesses. If you are always chasing your weaknesses then you will never reach your goal because new weaknesses pop up.
RE: Wouldn't surprise me at all  
WillVAB : 3/21/2023 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16071852 David B. said:
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If they went Edge at 25 if there's a good player there.

I'd actually be THRILLED with that.


Same.
Need to get back to Accorsi's philosophy  
CTGiants : 3/21/2023 3:00 pm : link
of can never have to many pass rushers. Gettleman's was you can never have enough cornah's, yet that is still one of the Giants biggest needs. In all fairness though, I did like the Aaron Robinson pick if it hadn't been for the injuries, and Julian Love in the 4th round was a great pick.
RE: I am sorry but...  
anon837 : 3/21/2023 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16071706 AG5686 said:
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The idea that Edge is in play at #25 makes no sense to me...
wayyyy to many other needs.
In fact I'd be shocked if we take on before the 4th round...
IMHO
Edge is definitely in play for Rd 1. Outside of KT, they have JAGs. Their current crop doesn't move the needle nor tilt the field in their favor. They need people that can consistently make the opposing QB uncomfortable. And if that guy doesn't have a 1st rd grade, they move on. This team needs alpha talent in the worst way.
I would definitely be fine with taking an edge like Van Ness or White.  
Angel Eyes : 3/21/2023 4:00 pm : link
Even without delving into Ojulari's injuries, he's also weak against the run. I was going through the footage from last year and teams liked to run at him whenever he was on the field.
RE: I really think they are going straight BPA at #25  
cosmicj : 3/21/2023 5:52 pm : link
In comment 16071814 eric2425ny said:
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The Waller and Campbell signings and bringing Slayton back takes away the urgency of being forced to take a WR in round 1-2. Whether it’s edge, CB, WR, LB, or IOL, they’ll go with the best one there. All of those positions are needs so hard to argue with any of them.


Yeah. That’s my wish - they draft a player they are incredibly excited about. CB, G, LB, WR, whatever. Big time talent is the requirement.
Personally  
gameday555 : 3/21/2023 6:32 pm : link
Don't think there will be many players better than BJ Ojulari available at our pick. Think he's really underrated. Has some of his Azeez's bend but with even less wasted movement and more power (at least when they were both coming out).

Not sure we'd draft him considering he'd likely be replacing his brother in the near future -- seems like a sticky dynamic.
RE: I would definitely be fine with taking an edge like Van Ness or White.  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/21/2023 9:17 pm : link
In comment 16071960 Angel Eyes said:
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Even without delving into Ojulari's injuries, he's also weak against the run. I was going through the footage from last year and teams liked to run at him whenever he was on the field.


Are there edge players who specialize in stopping the run? Maybe as a situational player he could be drafted in later rounds?
RE: RE: I would definitely be fine with taking an edge like Van Ness or White.  
Angel Eyes : 3/21/2023 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16072271 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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In comment 16071960 Angel Eyes said:


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Even without delving into Ojulari's injuries, he's also weak against the run. I was going through the footage from last year and teams liked to run at him whenever he was on the field.



Are there edge players who specialize in stopping the run? Maybe as a situational player he could be drafted in later rounds?

I still prefer a two-way DE like a Michael Strahan or Justin Tuck-type.
Smith  
BigBlueinDE : 3/22/2023 12:23 am : link
is a non-factor and Ojulari struggles to stay on the field so yes, ER is need.
I have a slim beyond slim hope  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/22/2023 9:43 am : link
that Nolan Smith will drop to the Giants. I hope they go ER at 25, I think that depth will be critical this year especially if they want to beat DAL/PHI. Nolan Smith, that speed chasing down Hurts and Dak on 3rd down is what Im looking for.
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