No mention of the Giants as a threat. It’s clear the Giants won’t be getting much respect still. Honestly, until they can prove to even keep it close with Philly, they shouldn’t get the respect.
This season needs to be the year this team can finally beat Dallas & Philly. Until then, there won’t be much respect given to the Giants.
Remember, super bowl runner ups have historically not made the playoffs. And no team has won the NFC back to back in the last 2 decades. So history is not in their favor.
The Giants IMO have gained ground. Last year, what made Philly overwhelming is they had about 25-26 guys who were above average starters. They were deep. The Giants had about 10.
That number has dwindled, while the guys they did bring back (Slay, Kelce, Cox, Graham, Bradberry) are another year into their 30’s.
Meanwhile, the Giants have made nice acquisitions- getting 3 starting caliber players at positions of need, and adding key rotation guys on the DL (hoping they sign Robinson). That, plus growth of some young players and DJ, and a return to health for guys like Ojulari, Jackson,Leo, McKinney and WDR, should help close that gap even more.
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after losing:
-O coordinator
-D coordinator
-several position coaches
and the key players at these positions:
-RG
-DT
-MLB
-WLB
-S
I think the it's people expecting Philly to flop who are in for a rude awakening. They had some losses, sure. But the core of the team remains intact, imo. They also prepared for some of them with draft picks in the last two years and they also have significant draft capital to keep building with.
In my opinion, the engine that drives this team is the OL. Losing Seumalo is a blow, but not a devastating one. Kelce returning is huge for them. They key for them, as with any team, is health. But their roster on the offensive side of the ball on day 1 is still the class of the division, imo. You don't have to be an offensive genius to make arguably the best OL, best starting WR duo, talented two-way TE, and an athletic QB work. Penny is a great dice roll and I'll be shocked if they don't grab one of the MANY talented RBs in this draft.
I think the D is more likely to show some cracks, but a healthy and improved second year out of Jordan Davis (which is entirely plausible to expect) could very easily mitigate (note - not eliminate) the pain from losing Hargreaves. Hereto, they have a lot of draft capital to use to plug some of the holes from FA departures, including a premium pick in the top 10 that they have no business owning. I expect it to be used on a defender. I shudder every time I hear discussion of Jalen Carter slipping. A nightmare scenario.
Unfortunately, the talent gap is still signficant. Giants are making strides, but you're talking about 10+ years of smart acquisitions vs. 2 offseasons (during which we're also cleaning up the cap mess left by the previous regime). I think folks are setting themselves up for disappointment if they're expecting significantly different results than last year. Maybe a bit more competitive, but I don't see us as in their class yet.
Lots of Eagle fans here will tell you losing the DC is addition by subtraction
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The vast majority of QB's in the league who have performed at a high level have the benefit of being surrounded by elite offensive personnel - that shouldn't now be a caveat when talking about Jalen Hurts.
I am not sure I agree with that. There are certain QBs that can perform with any talent. Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahommes (the chiefs were not that good this year talent wise). Mahommes lost Tyreke Hill and it was like nothing happened.
There are other QBs who can be excellent when surrounded by elite talent. Jalen Hurts is in that category for now--it is not a knock on him but we have not seen him without elite talent--so I can't make that call yet on Jalen Hurts. I think Dak was one of those guys a few years ago, but we have seen what has happened to him when his talent, especially the OL has gone down. I hope DJ can get into that categoryof performing as a top QB when surrounded by elite talent--so that is not a knock on Jalen Hurts but just an honest assessment to this point.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that anyone put Hurts in that category with Brady, Manning and Mahomes. I agree he hasn't been around long enough to declare that he's a proven thing or that he can produce on the same level with lesser talent. But definitely I've seen instances here where people aren't taking the same nuanced approach as you and have decided to give Hurts barely any credit at all for the Eagles' success.
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puts it together and "looks" the part, people won't respect the Giants. They see Jones as a joke. It's time for Jones to shut em up and i think he will.
I guess it depends who you are asking. I have good friends who are Cowboys fans (How the hell are you a Cowboys fan when you were born and live in the tri-state area?? lol). A couple parrot dopey Jones things but the guys that are really into the game of football are terrified of Daboll and think Jones is a good QB (with more to prove)... but that we have too many holes to compete with them or the Eagles yet.
There isn’t a person I know who roots for other teams in the league who think anything at all of Jones. Most of them laugh about Jones, and then when the Giants paid him big $$, they really laughed.
Now, they definitely respect Daboll
I live in Bucs country, and a lot of people wish DJ hit FA so they could have signed him. I think his perception well outside the NY area (aside from shitty Phi and Dal) is pretty high.
Yeah I know more than a few football fans who don't buy into the dopey narratives. Every Jets fan I know would take him in a minute as well.
The Cowboys are aging out. Their OL is getting old, they cute Zeke, Dak's injuries are becoming more frequent and even when he is healthy, he hasn't been great in the postseason.
Giants will have a stronger roster next year than they did in 2022, so I think they have made up some ground on both teams, but Philly is still the best in the division. I think we have somewhat closed the gap on Dallas.
If we keep drafting well and adding solid pieces in free agency, we'll be in that division mix more than last season.
When comparing the ages of the teams Dallas is the younger team and the youngest in the NFCE.
In the trenches the starting Dallas OL totals 135 years, Philadelphia 140. On the starting defensive line Dallas is at 105 years and Philadelphia 114.
On the overall starting offense both are at 292 years and on defense it's Dallas 292, Philadelphia 298.
Dallas is younger than Philadelphia. Dallas is not aging out. Dallas was actually the 3rd youngest team in the NFL last year followed by NYG 4th and Philadelphia 5th.
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puts it together and "looks" the part, people won't respect the Giants. They see Jones as a joke. It's time for Jones to shut em up and i think he will.
I guess it depends who you are asking. I have good friends who are Cowboys fans (How the hell are you a Cowboys fan when you were born and live in the tri-state area?? lol). A couple parrot dopey Jones things but the guys that are really into the game of football are terrified of Daboll and think Jones is a good QB (with more to prove)... but that we have too many holes to compete with them or the Eagles yet.
There isn’t a person I know who roots for other teams in the league who think anything at all of Jones. Most of them laugh about Jones, and then when the Giants paid him big $$, they really laughed.
Now, they definitely respect Daboll
I live in Bucs country, and a lot of people wish DJ hit FA so they could have signed him. I think his perception well outside the NY area (aside from shitty Phi and Dal) is pretty high.
Could be. Just my experience.
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would they respect the Giants? We're like a Division II team playing against the big boys when we play them. Look at the past decade. Look at the combined score of the two games where our starters played their starters.
I don't think the last decade is relevant. For projecting next year, what matters is recent history (last year) and this off-season.
As far as Philly is concerned, I think they were the best team in the NFL last year. Then they lost most of their coaching staff and 6 of their top 15 players. That probably matters.
Dallas was a bit better than NYG last year and they probably "ran in place" this off-season.
Sure it is. It's become a mental thing too. Just like we used to own the Redskins.
Yep. Good God the Giants defense looked like a bunch of weenies against them, in both those games.
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RB they lost - they replaced Sanders with Penny who literally has missed more games than he has played in his 5 year career
OG they lost - possibly they use Cam Jurgens who was a C in college
DT - Davis to replace Hargraves **
WLB - they have Dean to step in **
ILB - No current replacement for Edwards
S - No current replacement for Gardner-Johnson
** assumes no drop off which is far from a safe assumption
Also you Eagle admirers are underestimating the coaching exodus.
Eagles admirers? You are really being a homer on this one. We don't have a center on the roster right now, the depth all over the team is still a question, and right now we are looking to the draft to fill key holes on this team. The Giants are in a good spot, but this is not shaping up to be a huge tide turning offseason.
Oh by the way, the rest of the division gets to partake in the draft as well. You and everybody else have predicting this great Eagles demise for years now...it hasn't happened.
The Giants need to keep making sound moves to close the gap - predicting the Eagles will be a far worse team than last year is ignoring everything about what has made them better than us for a decade.
I for one haven't predicted the Eagles demise for multiple seasons but I do think that losing much of their coaching staff and 6 key starters is important.
Winning one playoff game and they getting destroyed by them isn't going to command respect. Resigning the quarterback they already don't respect isn't going to command respect.
The only way to command respect from Eagles' fans is to punch their team in the mouth, and then do it again later in the season. Then do it again the next year, and the year after that.