How do we feel about Joe Tippman, C, Wisconson in the first? I know I shouldn't, but I give creedence to the Wisconson produces good OL line of thinking. Also, give 5 years of cost control.....
One will be their in the 2nd. That's my story and sticking to it. Unless you like one of them more than the other.
Agree. Per Walter Football (see link), there are six C's ranked to go in rounds 2-4, and none ranked in round 1. Link - ( New Window )
And none have NFL experience. Or are as big and strong as veteran guard and or tackle converts already on the team. Using a first rounder on any center prospect that will need a year in the weight room to develop an NFL body seems unlikely to me.
However Schoen has repeatedly stressed positional value (and this organization for that matter) in the early rounds. That normally means CB , WR, OT ,Edge, Pass rush DT QB. Said this before, Giants as an organization haven't drafted an IOL or ILB in round 1 in 30+ years. Doubt its happening this year.
One will be their in the 2nd. That's my story and sticking to it. Unless you like one of them more than the other.
There are a lot of center prospects at different level. Schmitz, Tippman, Wypler from OSU, Patterson from Notre Dame if he moves from guard back to center, Stromberg from Arkansas, Oluwatimi from Michigan. PFN seems to like Jon Gaines from UCLA.
I don't know enough about what the Giants like in a center or about their individual skills and talents to match any of them with the Giants. That's the hard part for me about trying to mock draft or anticipate the Giants' picks. What blocking schemes do they like to run? Do they value straight ahead strength more, or lateral movement and quickness. Do they want a center who's fast and can pull? And which of these guys fits their mold? I have no idea.
higher and higher in the draft the last five or ten years. While I'd rather have a nice shiny object in the first round who's gonna do fun stuff and make some highlight reels, can't really fault a primo side of beef who can potentially anchor the line for a decade.
Just don't overdraft or draft for need in the first.
I wouldn't have a problem with it based on need, but most here probably would hate it.
I wouldn't hate any pick other than QB at 25. Center at 25 is fine if its Travis Fredrick. We really don't know much about Schoen since last year they had two top 10 picks and both guys were rated very high.
There are still good ones available, and wouldn't break the bank.
He hasn't, and that should tell you something. He's not drafting a center in the first. He's already made comments WRT to positional value with premium picks.
I can't tell you who Schoen's going to take in the first, but I guarantee it won't be a center.
We've addressed every single area of need this offseason, except the OL. So far. So I'd lean towards that. It's not like we have a top 15 pick. We're drafting at the end of the first round. So an interior offensive lineman in our range is fine by me.
the 25th pick, the Giants need to take the best non quarterback left on the board.
So much discussion about 2 Centers this draft, but you have to consider that other players that will be drafted to play Center that are currently at other positions. Steve Avila and Cody Mauch both were worked out at Center during the Senior Bowl and there were others.
Think about Jordan McFadden. Clearly the leader and Captain at Clemson. Was asked to play Tackle this year to help the team and he agreed. Only 6'2", but did an admirable job outside. And at the Clemson Pro Day last week, where did the NFL coaches have him work out?- Center. The type of leader any NFL team wants.
I attached a short video of this morning's Pro Day at Troy. No one seems to be talking about Jake Andrews (a converted Guard), but he impressed everyone at Center and had a Combine invite. Today he lifted the bar 29 times and scouts were shown video of him doing 415 pounds on the power clean, a 600-pound squat, 450-pound bench press and a 585-pound deadlift in the Troy weight room. Strong dude? He manhandled GT Keion White (a likely 1st rounder) twice in the Senior Bowl 1 on 1s.
Nobody on websites are talking about Andrews, but NFL teams are. He already has three Top 30 visits scheduled, and one is with the Buffalo Bills.
Will the Giants address Center in the April draft? Highly likely. But it will not be a forced pick and its certainly not limited to the few names with all the chatter.
While I understand those who think picking a center or guard in the 1st round is not a good use of resources, I say if you could have a Corey lindsey or Creed Humphrey or a Kelce would you do it at 25? For me its a yes. Quality teams/offenses have a solid C. The draft is a crap shoot no matter where you pick and no matter who you pick. If they are able to sign one of the few remaining FA centers not named Billy Price great, but don't guarantee me anything including not choosing a center in the 1st round.
the 25th pick, the Giants need to take the best non quarterback left on the board.
So much discussion about 2 Centers this draft, but you have to consider that other players that will be drafted to play Center that are currently at other positions. Steve Avila and Cody Mauch both were worked out at Center during the Senior Bowl and there were others.
Think about Jordan McFadden. Clearly the leader and Captain at Clemson. Was asked to play Tackle this year to help the team and he agreed. Only 6'2", but did an admirable job outside. And at the Clemson Pro Day last week, where did the NFL coaches have him work out?- Center. The type of leader any NFL team wants.
I attached a short video of this morning's Pro Day at Troy. No one seems to be talking about Jake Andrews (a converted Guard), but he impressed everyone at Center and had a Combine invite. Today he lifted the bar 29 times and scouts were shown video of him doing 415 pounds on the power clean, a 600-pound squat, 450-pound bench press and a 585-pound deadlift in the Troy weight room. Strong dude? He manhandled GT Keion White (a likely 1st rounder) twice in the Senior Bowl 1 on 1s.
Nobody on websites are talking about Andrews, but NFL teams are. He already has three Top 30 visits scheduled, and one is with the Buffalo Bills.
Will the Giants address Center in the April draft? Highly likely. But it will not be a forced pick and its certainly not limited to the few names with all the chatter. Link - ( New Window )
Great post. I also remember Daboll saying he likes to convert tackles to center so our next center may have mostly played another position on the OL.
is a huge mistake. Pretty sure they are looking at Bredsen at center. They have a few young guards. They will probably draft a center but not in round one, with needs at CB, WR and even EDGE being high value positions. You can get a center in round 2 or 3.
Badazz was (spelling). He dropped in the draft with the cowboys trading up to the pick before ours. Schmidt looks like the highest rated prospect the three others we could probably get one of them in round 3.
He kicked some serious ass at the Senior Bowl week of practices
Problem is he won’t probably last to pick number 57
Later on in draft probably day 3 the center from Michigan looks like a good prospect Oluwatimi(sp)
I would hope if OG from Florida Torrence is available the Giants give him serious at number 25.
We have to fix the IOL it’s a problem right now.
I know everyone likes the shiny new toys(WR and CB) but we can get g to hose good players on day 2.
Agree. Per Walter Football (see link), there are six C's ranked to go in rounds 2-4, and none ranked in round 1.
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One will be their in the 2nd. That's my story and sticking to it. Unless you like one of them more than the other.
Agree. Per Walter Football (see link), there are six C's ranked to go in rounds 2-4, and none ranked in round 1. Link - ( New Window )
And none have NFL experience. Or are as big and strong as veteran guard and or tackle converts already on the team. Using a first rounder on any center prospect that will need a year in the weight room to develop an NFL body seems unlikely to me.
I’d love for DJ to actually be able to survive an attempted push up the middle
Would you trade a first rounder for him?
Would you trade a first rounder for him?
If the pick is in the 20s, yes.
I don't know enough about what the Giants like in a center or about their individual skills and talents to match any of them with the Giants. That's the hard part for me about trying to mock draft or anticipate the Giants' picks. What blocking schemes do they like to run? Do they value straight ahead strength more, or lateral movement and quickness. Do they want a center who's fast and can pull? And which of these guys fits their mold? I have no idea.
Just don't overdraft or draft for need in the first.
I wouldn't hate any pick other than QB at 25. Center at 25 is fine if its Travis Fredrick. We really don't know much about Schoen since last year they had two top 10 picks and both guys were rated very high.
Watching year two will tell us a bit more.
I think Brederson gets to be the C
He hasn't, and that should tell you something. He's not drafting a center in the first. He's already made comments WRT to positional value with premium picks.
I can't tell you who Schoen's going to take in the first, but I guarantee it won't be a center.
So much discussion about 2 Centers this draft, but you have to consider that other players that will be drafted to play Center that are currently at other positions. Steve Avila and Cody Mauch both were worked out at Center during the Senior Bowl and there were others.
Think about Jordan McFadden. Clearly the leader and Captain at Clemson. Was asked to play Tackle this year to help the team and he agreed. Only 6'2", but did an admirable job outside. And at the Clemson Pro Day last week, where did the NFL coaches have him work out?- Center. The type of leader any NFL team wants.
I attached a short video of this morning's Pro Day at Troy. No one seems to be talking about Jake Andrews (a converted Guard), but he impressed everyone at Center and had a Combine invite. Today he lifted the bar 29 times and scouts were shown video of him doing 415 pounds on the power clean, a 600-pound squat, 450-pound bench press and a 585-pound deadlift in the Troy weight room. Strong dude? He manhandled GT Keion White (a likely 1st rounder) twice in the Senior Bowl 1 on 1s.
Nobody on websites are talking about Andrews, but NFL teams are. He already has three Top 30 visits scheduled, and one is with the Buffalo Bills.
Will the Giants address Center in the April draft? Highly likely. But it will not be a forced pick and its certainly not limited to the few names with all the chatter.
Link - ( New Window )
So much discussion about 2 Centers this draft, but you have to consider that other players that will be drafted to play Center that are currently at other positions. Steve Avila and Cody Mauch both were worked out at Center during the Senior Bowl and there were others.
Think about Jordan McFadden. Clearly the leader and Captain at Clemson. Was asked to play Tackle this year to help the team and he agreed. Only 6'2", but did an admirable job outside. And at the Clemson Pro Day last week, where did the NFL coaches have him work out?- Center. The type of leader any NFL team wants.
I attached a short video of this morning's Pro Day at Troy. No one seems to be talking about Jake Andrews (a converted Guard), but he impressed everyone at Center and had a Combine invite. Today he lifted the bar 29 times and scouts were shown video of him doing 415 pounds on the power clean, a 600-pound squat, 450-pound bench press and a 585-pound deadlift in the Troy weight room. Strong dude? He manhandled GT Keion White (a likely 1st rounder) twice in the Senior Bowl 1 on 1s.
Nobody on websites are talking about Andrews, but NFL teams are. He already has three Top 30 visits scheduled, and one is with the Buffalo Bills.
Will the Giants address Center in the April draft? Highly likely. But it will not be a forced pick and its certainly not limited to the few names with all the chatter. Link - ( New Window )
Great post. I also remember Daboll saying he likes to convert tackles to center so our next center may have mostly played another position on the OL.
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Whoever you think that is.
Would you trade a first rounder for him?
If the pick is in the 20s, yes.
Lol, no, you wouldn't and if you did, you should be fired
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Whoever you think that is.
Would you trade a first rounder for him?
If the pick is in the 20s, yes.
Lol, no, you wouldn't and if you did, you should be fired
You wouldn’t trade a 25 for a (slightly younger) Jason Kelce or Creed Humphrey?
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In comment 16071809 Anakim said:
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Whoever you think that is.
Would you trade a first rounder for him?
If the pick is in the 20s, yes.
Lol, no, you wouldn't and if you did, you should be fired
You wouldn’t trade a 25 for a (slightly younger) Jason Kelce or Creed Humphrey?
Absolutely not. No way.
Problem is he won’t probably last to pick number 57
Later on in draft probably day 3 the center from Michigan looks like a good prospect Oluwatimi(sp)
I would hope if OG from Florida Torrence is available the Giants give him serious at number 25.
We have to fix the IOL it’s a problem right now.
I know everyone likes the shiny new toys(WR and CB) but we can get g to hose good players on day 2.