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Drew Rosenhaus cost us resigning Julian Love

WinterIsComing : 3/21/2023 3:42 pm
Or was it Julian Love just be not wanting to pay NY/NJ state income tax?

Either way, good player, but he choose to chase the money over staying with the NYG. His loss, not ours. I wish him luck in Seattle.




Julian Love reportedly blew chance to stay with New York Giants for more money - ( New Window )
Thats such a lazy headline.  
CaLLaHaN : 3/21/2023 3:44 pm : link
Julian Love reportedly blew chance to stay with New York Giants for more money....
According to the article in The Athletic...  
Seventh Spiel : 3/21/2023 3:46 pm : link
upon which this was based, Love and his agent gave the NYG the chance to match the SF offer and the NYG said no.
Not sure what his relationship is with the current heirarchy,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/21/2023 3:46 pm : link
but Rosenhaus has had a very good relationship with us, generally speaking
Ive  
Straw Hat : 3/21/2023 3:52 pm : link
Never seen so much fuss over such a mediocre talent.
RE: According to the article in The Athletic...  
johnnyb : 3/21/2023 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16071946 Seventh Spiel said:
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upon which this was based, Love and his agent gave the NYG the chance to match the SF offer and the NYG said no.


Yes, true, but the article stated that in between the time Love rejected the Giant offer and went to visit Seattle, the Giants had already committed to Slayton. So Love did indeed give the Giants an opportunity to match the Seattle offer, but there was no money left. It went to Slayton. "Bird in the hand" I think was the way it was termed by Dugan.
The Giants offered him more money  
arniefez : 3/21/2023 4:06 pm : link
than he signed for during the season. He gambled and lost. Same thing and so did Saquon. It appears the players didn't realize the effect the Watson contract was going to have on the entire FA market.
I'll say it again  
blueblood : 3/21/2023 4:09 pm : link
you cant keep everyone. There was always a very good chance that Julian Love would not be on the 2023 Giants roster.
That thread starter is quite a whopper  
Mad Mike : 3/21/2023 4:16 pm : link
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RE: RE: According to the article in The Athletic...  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/21/2023 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16071952 johnnyb said:
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In comment 16071946 Seventh Spiel said:


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upon which this was based, Love and his agent gave the NYG the chance to match the SF offer and the NYG said no.



Yes, true, but the article stated that in between the time Love rejected the Giant offer and went to visit Seattle, the Giants had already committed to Slayton. So Love did indeed give the Giants an opportunity to match the Seattle offer, but there was no money left. It went to Slayton. "Bird in the hand" I think was the way it was termed by Dugan.


So I guess all the posters that talked about signing Slayton vs. Love were not complete idiots after all.
Love was deemed replaceable by the Giants,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/21/2023 4:22 pm : link
otherwise, he’d still be here.

As a fan, Love staying and Slayton going was a slam dunk FOR ME..

The experts in the room prevailed. As it should be.
Julian Love is exactly the type of  
Chris L. : 3/21/2023 4:22 pm : link
player you DON'T want to over pay for. He is a good player but not a needle mover when it comes to fielding a championship team.
RE: Ive  
Sec_149 : 3/21/2023 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16071951 Straw Hat said:
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Never seen so much fuss over such a mediocre talent.


This!! I was just thinking the same thing. This board gets fired up about an average player.
RE: Love was deemed replaceable by the Giants,  
k2tampa : 3/21/2023 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16071975 Big Blue '56 said:
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otherwise, he’d still be here.

As a fan, Love staying and Slayton going was a slam dunk FOR ME..

The experts in the room prevailed. As it should be.


Pinnock showed when McKinney was out that he can be a bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, harder hitting version of Love. Love had the chance during the bye week to sign. Then McKinney gets hurt, and four months later the Giants decide not to match a lower offer? Love would be in NY if the Giants felt like they needed him.
RE: Julian Love is exactly the type of  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/21/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16071976 Chris L. said:
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player you DON'T want to over pay for. He is a good player but not a needle mover when it comes to fielding a championship team.


$6 million/year is not overpaying for Love.

$10 million? Sure, let him walk. $6 million is what he is worth, IMO. Details of his contract aren't out, but I am sure his cap # for 2023 is less than $6 million, probably comparable to Slayton's.

Meanwhile, I just can't agree with Slayton's $4.2 million cap number.
RE: RE: Love was deemed replaceable by the Giants,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/21/2023 4:33 pm : link
In comment 16071981 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16071975 Big Blue '56 said:


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otherwise, he’d still be here.

As a fan, Love staying and Slayton going was a slam dunk FOR ME..

The experts in the room prevailed. As it should be.



Pinnock showed when McKinney was out that he can be a bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, harder hitting version of Love. Love had the chance during the bye week to sign. Then McKinney gets hurt, and four months later the Giants decide not to match a lower offer? Love would be in NY if the Giants felt like they needed him.


Absolutely. My point was, if I had a choice of keeping Love or Slayton, it would be Love. Otherwise, I agree.
Drew Rosenhaus  
Essex : 3/21/2023 4:37 pm : link
saved us from overpaying and cost his client about 8 million
Love over played his hand  
Rudy5757 : 3/21/2023 4:38 pm : link
He got a good offer from the Giants from what we hear and turned it down. Then got a lesser offer from Seattle and wanted the Giants to match but the Giants probably already decided to go in another direction.

I like the player but it’s his own fault he got less. It’s not cheaper to live in Seattle.
No income tax in 9 states including Washington and Florida.  
Ivan15 : 3/21/2023 4:46 pm : link
New Jersey +/- 10%.

I’m not sure if Love starts in Seattle but he was always going to be second to McKinney with the Giants.

Rosenhaus is a good agent and does what’s best for his client.
RE: No income tax in 9 states including Washington and Florida.  
John In CO : 3/21/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16071992 Ivan15 said:
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New Jersey +/- 10%.

I’m not sure if Love starts in Seattle but he was always going to be second to McKinney with the Giants.

Rosenhaus is a good agent and does what’s best for his client.


When you see the numerous comments on threads where it is mentioned that "the Giants overpaid for......." this is a huge reason why. A player will obviously be apt to sign for less money with a team that is located in a more financially advantageous state.
RE: No income tax in 9 states including Washington and Florida  
Eman11 : 3/21/2023 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16071992 Ivan15 said:
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New Jersey +/- 10%.

I’m not sure if Love starts in Seattle but he was always going to be second to McKinney with the Giants.

Rosenhaus is a good agent and does what’s best for his client.


If he was really good why didn’t he tell Love to take the Giants earlier offer? Instead it seems he advised his client to go into FA and ended up signing signing for less than what was offered months ago.

Doesn’t seem like such a good move by Love or his agent. I do agree Drew is usually a pretty good agent but he wasn’t on top of his game in this instance.
I would've given Love the $6M  
JonC : 3/21/2023 5:13 pm : link
and let Slayton go. The latter must have photos of someone.
RE: I'll say it again  
bw in dc : 3/21/2023 5:14 pm : link
In comment 16071966 blueblood said:
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you cant keep everyone. There was always a very good chance that Julian Love would not be on the 2023 Giants roster.


Exactly. Fortunately, Love plays safety. And that's one of the more fungible positions in the sport.
RE: I would've given Love the $6M  
knowledgetimmons : 3/21/2023 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16072018 JonC said:
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and let Slayton go. The latter must have photos of someone.


Respectfully, that's why we're here, and they're there.

If it was a poker match headed to showdown, most logical people are taking Love, not Slayton. But, pair of 7s vs 8s is not anywhere near a bad beat.
RE: RE: I would've given Love the $6M  
allstarjim : 3/21/2023 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16072028 knowledgetimmons said:
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In comment 16072018 JonC said:


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and let Slayton go. The latter must have photos of someone.



Respectfully, that's why we're here, and they're there.

If it was a poker match headed to showdown, most logical people are taking Love, not Slayton. But, pair of 7s vs 8s is not anywhere near a bad beat.



Yeah, obviously Jon, clearly you nor I understand how screwed the Giants would be without his 43 yards per game.
re-signed is NOT the same as resigned....  
Wildcardgiants : 3/21/2023 5:44 pm : link
For the record
Shoen seems to telling the guys  
JerseyCityJoe : 3/21/2023 6:44 pm : link
New Sheriff in town. Sign when you get our offer or get out of town.
RE: RE: RE: I would've given Love the $6M  
knowledgetimmons : 3/21/2023 9:08 pm : link
In comment 16072036 allstarjim said:
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and let Slayton go. The latter must have photos of someone.



Respectfully, that's why we're here, and they're there.

If it was a poker match headed to showdown, most logical people are taking Love, not Slayton. But, pair of 7s vs 8s is not anywhere near a bad beat.




Yeah, obviously Jon, clearly you nor I understand how screwed the Giants would be without his 43 yards per game.


Jimmie, that’s a dank response. Where would we be without missed 4th down interception…whiffs…for a dagger touchdown against a bitter rival?
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Route 9 : 3/21/2023 9:09 pm : link
I hate New Jersey more than anyone lol but Washington State is pretty expensive, too. I got people in Seattle. Or is it Tacoma?
Not Tax  
bronxct1 : 3/22/2023 10:47 am : link
Income tax rate is basically a wash between Washington and NJ. it's like .1% difference. While it's not nothing it would be a max of like 60k difference.
RE: No income tax in 9 states including Washington and Florida.  
Dave : 3/22/2023 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16071992 Ivan15 said:
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New Jersey +/- 10%.

I’m not sure if Love starts in Seattle but he was always going to be second to McKinney with the Giants.

Rosenhaus is a good agent and does what’s best for his client.


1. WA and FL have a lot of taxes besides Income Taxes and
2. half the games are played, and taxed, by other states

so while there is a diff, it is not as clear cut as comparing income tax rates
There are many factors here.  
Matt M. : 3/22/2023 3:39 pm : link
First of all, nobody here knows if that was Rosenhaus' call, or if they were in agreement, etc. The bottom line is between the two of them, they thought he would get more either from the Giants or elsewhere in FA. They were wrong. But, I don't think it was the egregious mistake the article and some here make it out to be. They gambled and lost.

Second of all, the value for S is not what it once was. Third, the landscape of S changed for the Giants after the bye week. They got a look at a few other S options on their roster when McKinney went down. It is actually one position group that had decent depth. Further, Love's play took a slip back when McKinney was out. Is he still a good to very good S? Yes. But, he certainly no longer looked like a star, which may have factored in to the decision.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/22/2023 6:54 pm : link
Like a lot of people, I think Rosenhaus & Love whiffed on how the market would shake out. A lot of teams aren't shelling out top coin. I wanted Love back, but I'm not losing sleep over it. I have confidence in Belton & Pinnock. Also, we're going to have to give Xavier cheddar soon. We can't have an absurd amount of $ invested in that position.

I wish Julian well in the Pacific Northwest.
RE: RE: I'll say it again  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 3/22/2023 11:45 pm : link
In comment 16072020 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16071966 blueblood said:


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you cant keep everyone. There was always a very good chance that Julian Love would not be on the 2023 Giants roster.



Exactly. Fortunately, Love plays safety. And that's one of the more fungible positions in the sport.


Correct. WR is a prime position. S is not. Additionally, the Giants had a greater need at WR. This isn’t difficult to understand.
RE: Not sure what his relationship is with the current heirarchy,  
Red Right Hand : 3/23/2023 7:17 am : link
In comment 16071947 Big Blue '56 said:
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but Rosenhaus has had a very good relationship with us, generally speaking
I don't think so. he has a long standing relationship with us. No one knew who he was years ago ( mostly because he wasn't anybody at the time) and made a reputation as being a hard ass negotiator, partly through his dealings with us, where he shafted us repeatedly, wringing every last peny out. after that people knew who he was, his client lsit grew, and many signed here. somewhere along the way that morphed into some sort of reputation of him having longstanding ties with us, and therefore a good relationship. If being familiar necessarilly means good, then OK, but i never liked him, and never really thought we had a " good relationships" with him. We had A relationship with him. Fuck him.
RE: RE: Love was deemed replaceable by the Giants,  
Red Right Hand : 3/23/2023 7:19 am : link
In comment 16071981 k2tampa said:
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In comment 16071975 Big Blue '56 said:


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otherwise, he’d still be here.

As a fan, Love staying and Slayton going was a slam dunk FOR ME..

The experts in the room prevailed. As it should be.



Pinnock showed when McKinney was out that he can be a bigger, faster, younger, cheaper, harder hitting version of Love. Love had the chance during the bye week to sign. Then McKinney gets hurt, and four months later the Giants decide not to match a lower offer? Love would be in NY if the Giants felt like they needed him.
I saw absolutely nothing resembling that from pinnock. Wasn't impressed at all.
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