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Wan'Dale Robinson

HewlettGiant : 3/21/2023 6:10 pm
Given the ACL what are we expecting in terms of a tineline for him?
FWIW he said week 1  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:15 pm : link
Said it was a clean tear and he’s ahead of schedule
Well some folks  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/21/2023 6:16 pm : link
were speculating that if we signed McKenzie, Robinson's prognosis would be a bit negative.

So, maybe not as bad? I'm hoping for mid-season. Hoping...

RE: FWIW he said week 1  
speedywheels : 3/21/2023 6:25 pm : link
In comment 16072059 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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Said it was a clean tear and he’s ahead of schedule


He had surgery in December, I'd be shocked if he's ready for Week 1. But glad to hear he's ahead of schedule, hopefully that continues...
Even if he does come back week 1  
Rudy5757 : 3/21/2023 6:26 pm : link
He’s a guy that relies on his quickness and change of direction to get open. I haven’t seen 1 player come back in a year or less than a year and be better than they were prior to injury. It usually takes a year and a half to 2 years. Barkley and OBJ are recent examples but all over the league RBs and WRs usually need more than a year recovery.

I don’t think we see Robinson this season and at the very least he starts on the PUP list. Rushing back usually doesn’t help matters.
RE: FWIW he said week 1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2023 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16072059 No1MDGiantsFan said:
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Said it was a clean tear and he’s ahead of schedule


Source?
Parris Campbell can play slot  
eric2425ny : 3/21/2023 6:32 pm : link
until he’s healthy. Hodgins and Slayton outside. Presumably a high round pick working his way into the rotation during that time.
Given the injury  
Beer Man : 3/21/2023 6:46 pm : link
I'm not expecting anything for 2023
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:48 pm : link
Crossing fingers before October, but if I had to put $ on it...sometime after Columbus Day.
RE: Parris Campbell can play slot  
BigBlueShock : 3/21/2023 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16072074 eric2425ny said:
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until he’s healthy. Hodgins and Slayton outside. Presumably a high round pick working his way into the rotation during that time.

Ugh. I cannot believe we are still faced with Slayton starting. It really annoys me much more than it probably should
RE: Given the injury  
Johnny5 : 3/21/2023 6:51 pm : link
In comment 16072099 Beer Man said:
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I'm not expecting anything for 2023

Agreed
RE: RE: FWIW he said week 1  
Bourne ‘86 : 3/21/2023 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16072073 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16072059 No1MDGiantsFan said:


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Said it was a clean tear and he’s ahead of schedule



Source?

Pat Leonard tweet from January 22nd, sorry don’t know how to attach it
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:56 pm : link
'Given the injury, I'm not expecting anything in 2023'...

Huh? He tore his ACL in November. It is 2023, not 1993. We've made tremendous strides in recovery times with ACLs.
RE: RE: FWIW he said week 1  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16072073 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16072059 No1MDGiantsFan said:


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Said it was a clean tear and he’s ahead of schedule



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“ Giants' Wan'Dale Robinson expects to be ready by Week 1 of 2023 season” - ( New Window )
Expect him to be on PUP  
DavidinBMNY : 3/21/2023 8:13 pm : link
And return after the bye. That’s the giants MO for years.
RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 3/21/2023 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16072119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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'Given the injury, I'm not expecting anything in 2023'...

Huh? He tore his ACL in November. It is 2023, not 1993. We've made tremendous strides in recovery times with ACLs.

Right but look at Saquon. He was back but not making his old impact until the next year.
RE: RE: ...  
SteelGiant : 3/22/2023 9:03 am : link
In comment 16072216 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 16072119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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'Given the injury, I'm not expecting anything in 2023'...

Huh? He tore his ACL in November. It is 2023, not 1993. We've made tremendous strides in recovery times with ACLs.


Right but look at Saquon. He was back but not making his old impact until the next year.


That is how I would plan, he might not be his normal self until 2024, can’t count on him, that is why the Campbell signing was important. I would assume he starts on PUP and see how he looks from there
It’s usually the second year removed from ACL surgery  
Rick in Dallas : 3/22/2023 9:16 am : link
That players are fully recovered from injury.
See Saquon from last year
Wes Welker tore his ACL and MCL in the 2009 finale on January 3, 2010  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/22/2023 9:23 am : link
In Week 1 of the 2010 season, he caught eight passes for 64 years and two touchdowns.

By his high standards, Welker's 2010 season was somewhat sub-par. But as a small slot receiver who suffered a worse injury much later in the season, he's a valid comp. Of course, plenty of examples point in the opposite direction.

The point is, every injury is different. We have no idea whether Wan'Dale will hit the ground running or spend months on the PUP list.
He should absolutely be healthy by week 1.  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 9:24 am : link
Assuming it healed properly, he shouldn't have too much of an issue, maybe just a psychological issue when he first starts cutting in a game.

I don't believe it will be anything like SB's situation because a RB is constantly being hit, whereas a WR's rarely have guys diving at their legs and running through traffic.
I was thinking Shep would play the 1st half of the season  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/22/2023 9:40 am : link
and then Robinson the 2nd half at slot.
Robinson had surgery in early December  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:05 am : link
and from what I can see, his meniscus, MCL and PCL were all in tact so it was just an ACL reconstruction. I would say the timeline for full cutting and no restrictions would be about 8 months to be conservative, which means he should be fully cleared by early August.

By all accounts the surgery went well and his meniscus wasn't torn, so there shouldn't be any lingering issues with the knee.
I have no expectations  
5BowlsSoon : 3/22/2023 10:22 am : link
To see him on the field during the regular season in 2023……but I do expect to see him in the playoffs.
RE: I have no expectations  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:27 am : link
In comment 16072507 5BowlsSoon said:
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To see him on the field during the regular season in 2023……but I do expect to see him in the playoffs.


Can you explain this to me? Are you joking around as a way to say the Giants will be in the playoffs or do you actually believe you won't see him? If the latter, why? It goes against the whole history of ACL reconstruction.
last year gallup and godwin each played after acls in dec '21/jan '22  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2023 10:34 am : link
it took both of them a while to get their legs under them though, and neither of them rely on quickness/shiftiness to the same degree robinson does. obj obviously sat the whole year because he wasn't going to be cleared until dec/jan.

robinson could get cleared earlier than the PUP list would allow him to get activated, but that doesn't mean his legs will be all the way back. it's impossible to predict how well any player will come through rehab and who knows maybe he's adrian peterson, but if not there's little downside to taking it slow and getting an extra roster player thanks to pup.
RE: last year gallup and godwin each played after acls in dec '21/jan '22  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:48 am : link
In comment 16072519 Eric on Li said:
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it took both of them a while to get their legs under them though, and neither of them rely on quickness/shiftiness to the same degree robinson does. obj obviously sat the whole year because he wasn't going to be cleared until dec/jan.

robinson could get cleared earlier than the PUP list would allow him to get activated, but that doesn't mean his legs will be all the way back. it's impossible to predict how well any player will come through rehab and who knows maybe he's adrian peterson, but if not there's little downside to taking it slow and getting an extra roster player thanks to pup.


A lot of this is inaccurate. First off, Godwin played week 1 and in week 2 he had like 10 catches. He also had his surgery about a month later than Robinson on the calendar.

Gallup missed the first month, but he had a separate surgery for his meniscus which was the reason. Had nothing to do with the ACL.

Assuming no setbacks, Robinson should absolutely be cleared by August for full cutting. He will have a psychological barrier to get past, but it is nothing like a RB. Robinson will be fine.
To clarify....  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:51 am : link
Gallup had an injury to his other knee all year last year, which he had fixed in the offseason. His missed time was apparently due to a meniscus tear in his other knee.
RE: ...  
Scooter185 : 3/22/2023 10:52 am : link
In comment 16072119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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'Given the injury, I'm not expecting anything in 2023'...

Huh? He tore his ACL in November. It is 2023, not 1993. We've made tremendous strides in recovery times with ACLs.


Physically sure, but he also has to recover mentally from the injury and that can be the hardest part for anyone.
My bad on Godwin,  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:56 am : link
he was cleared and played week 1, but then they took it slowly with him and he missed a few games. That being said, the surgery was a month after robinsons so essentially the time line would be the same.
However,  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 10:57 am : link
godwin also had a torn MCL so the surgeries were not the same.
Everyone wants to push this injury  
hightop cleats : 3/22/2023 12:25 pm : link
and its dangerous and stupid.

I just spent the weekend with an orthopedic surgeon who has done (according to him) more than 2,000 ACL repairs. For athletes, he recommends 18 months. Barkley came back too soon, OBJ (though he wasn't with us) came back too soon.

If the team had any confidence in the long term value of their pick last year, I would sit him until mid December at the earliest. Not suggesting he hasn't rehabbed the hell out of it (which I'm sure he has) But far better safe than sorry.
RE: Everyone wants to push this injury  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16072638 hightop cleats said:
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and its dangerous and stupid.

I just spent the weekend with an orthopedic surgeon who has done (according to him) more than 2,000 ACL repairs. For athletes, he recommends 18 months. Barkley came back too soon, OBJ (though he wasn't with us) came back too soon.

If the team had any confidence in the long term value of their pick last year, I would sit him until mid December at the earliest. Not suggesting he hasn't rehabbed the hell out of it (which I'm sure he has) But far better safe than sorry.


18 months lol. Either that Dr was pretending to be a dr or you have some info wrong.
LOL yourself  
hightop cleats : 3/22/2023 1:38 pm : link
He not only has done 2k ACL repairs but 5k knee replacements and 8k hips. So I trust this guy more than you. Worked for Mayo. Another other questions?
Yes, why is he such an idiot.  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 1:39 pm : link
I've had 2 ACL reconstructions myself.

If its so dangerous, can you please list all of the players that reinjured their knees because they came back too soon?
RE: ...  
j_rud : 3/22/2023 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16072119 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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'Given the injury, I'm not expecting anything in 2023'...

Huh? He tore his ACL in November. It is 2023, not 1993. We've made tremendous strides in recovery times with ACLs.


I'll be sure to let him know right after the barber is done bleeding him
You optimistic guys  
Johnny5 : 3/22/2023 4:06 pm : link
Are actually making me feel better about it. Again, I think Wandale barring any setbacks will be available to play, I just have a feeling he doesn't show what he was showing prior to the injury for at least a season. I hope I'm wrong but I am basing it on what I saw from Saquon. He was back and functioning but it was the next season where he came back to his old form.
RE: You optimistic guys  
Kmed6000 : 3/22/2023 4:09 pm : link
In comment 16072873 Johnny5 said:
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Are actually making me feel better about it. Again, I think Wandale barring any setbacks will be available to play, I just have a feeling he doesn't show what he was showing prior to the injury for at least a season. I hope I'm wrong but I am basing it on what I saw from Saquon. He was back and functioning but it was the next season where he came back to his old form.


I understand where you are coming from and you aren't necessarily wrong. As someone whos gone though it twice, theres absolutely a psychological aspect of coming back. After the instability for so long, its hard to truly trust it right away.

That being said, it's a bit different than a RB. A RB is constantly running through traffic with guys diving at their legs. That brings in a whole other level of fear for RB's that WR's don't have to deal with. For Robinson, it's just about trusting his knee to make cuts at 100%. Once he does it a few times, he will be fine.
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