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Giants ranked dead last in Pass Protection Expectations

No1MDGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 6:11 pm
Yeah PFF I know but still this is horrifying lol

“ For fun: taking the 5 currently listed Ourlads starters for each team at face value and to guess where teams might have OL needs in the draft (projection based on exponential decay function of PFF pass block grade)”
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Don’t sleep  
shocktheworld : 3/21/2023 6:33 pm : link
On O’Cyrus Torrence…. LG would be solved (rookie struggles included)… this dude is a beast
Evan Neal  
dannyduffle : 3/21/2023 6:38 pm : link
Is he THIS bad? Lol
Look at that RT grade  
JerseyCityJoe : 3/21/2023 6:38 pm : link
If that don't make you nervous it should.
RE: Don’t sleep  
Vanzetti : 3/21/2023 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16072078 shocktheworld said:
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On O’Cyrus Torrence…. LG would be solved (rookie struggles included)… this dude is a beast


Ezeudu at RG and Bred at C

That would be an imposing OL

Wow, let's project based on last year's info  
BillT : 3/21/2023 6:42 pm : link
That's a solid methodology.
RE: Evan Neal  
j_rud : 3/21/2023 6:55 pm : link
In comment 16072084 dannyduffle said:
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Is he THIS bad? Lol


I stopped watching his section of Skinner's OL reports because after mid-season he really was.
And that's just  
David B. : 3/21/2023 7:03 pm : link
by me.
So much hinges on Neal.  
mittenedman : 3/21/2023 7:19 pm : link
If he lives up to the billing the Giants should have a good OL. If he gets run over again, they're screwed.

His games against the Eagles were horrifying.
Oof  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/21/2023 7:26 pm : link
Neal's rating is bad. Not surprising but I would think his run blocking might have made his rating not horrible.

Go figure, I liked Neal over Ekwonu during the draft.
RE: Oof  
No1MDGiantsFan : 3/21/2023 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16072151 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Neal's rating is bad. Not surprising but I would think his run blocking might have made his rating not horrible.

Go figure, I liked Neal over Ekwonu during the draft.


This is just pass protection I believe
And of course  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/21/2023 7:28 pm : link
just about every olinemen on Philly is like a HoF'er. It must be like quarterbacking at Ohio State playing behind that line.
Not surprised  
Joe Beckwith : 3/21/2023 7:34 pm : link
We have no OC, credible or not, so it’s a 4 man line.
That’s a dead last expectation.

Seriously, with EN an unknown coming off a bad rookie year, Eze half rateable , our OGs mediocre, we are correctly rated.
That said, I think JS also nabs a OG and OT late besides the C.
Sad.. just sad..  
prdave73 : 3/21/2023 7:35 pm : link
Probably the main reason the Giants have been struggling for the last decade. I’ve been preaching this all offseason.. The Oline is key! The Giants need to start paying attention to it! To understand why it is essential to have a solid offensive line, consider the teams participating in the playoffs and the Super Bowl this past year! Smh..
Cardinals Center  
jmdvm : 3/21/2023 7:37 pm : link
Who got the rating of 4
RE: Cardinals Center  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/21/2023 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16072170 jmdvm said:
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Who got the rating of 4


He likely got thrown under the bus by Murray. Deservedly so.

And the Jets are right there at 29. Not sure why anyone thinks Rodgers wants to join that overrated clown show.
And DJ did what he did?  
Carl in CT : 3/21/2023 8:10 pm : link
With that OL and those WRs. And to think we haven’t helped the OL and the WR group. (Yes those additions don’t impress at all). I see problems ahead.
RE: And DJ did what he did?  
joeinpa : 3/21/2023 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16072204 Carl in CT said:
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With that OL and those WRs. And to think we haven’t helped the OL and the WR group. (Yes those additions don’t impress at all). I see problems ahead.


Was thinking same thing, but didn’t want to go there. But since you did it is exciting to think what he could do with even average protection
It just keeps pointing  
Spider43 : 3/21/2023 10:26 pm : link
To lots of O-Line help on April 27th onwards. We've not fixed it one bit. It got worse actually, with some departures. Meanwhile we've strengthened the receiving, secondary, linebacking, and defensive line corps, aside from re-signing the key QB and RB pieces.
Relax...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/21/2023 10:36 pm : link
...the OL is not being overlooked and the solution, likely, is not reaching in RD1.
RE: And DJ did what he did?  
speedywheels : 3/21/2023 11:31 pm : link
In comment 16072204 Carl in CT said:
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With that OL and those WRs. And to think we haven’t helped the OL and the WR group. (Yes those additions don’t impress at all). I see problems ahead.


Stop making excuses for Jones! He’s supposed perform like an elite QB, regardless of his OL. Or his WR group. Or having Joe fucking Judge and Jason fucking Garrett - not to mention not having a healthy SB - during his 2nd and 3rd year in the league.

🙄🙄🙄🙄
Tough, but fair.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/22/2023 6:37 am : link
It's not exactly news that, barring major improvement by Ezeudu and Neal, and/or significant additions in the next five months, the Giants will have a serious problem.

BTW, the Eagles have a different issue, which became evident when Johnson tore a core muscle: their offense functions really well as a unit, especially the line; remove one key piece, though, and they can become quite ordinary in a hurry. I think they will be fine without Seumalo, but Kelce's age and Johnson's injury history become bigger risk factors every year.
Funny perspective on Mark Glowinski:  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/22/2023 6:41 am : link
Good news: He's easily the second-best pass blocker we have.

Bad news: There are only a handful of worse pass-blocking RGs in the NFL.

Mandatory disclaimers re. PFF grades aside, the basic narrative here seems accurate. The Giants' biggest problem remains what it has been for most of the past dozen years.
Don’t panic yet  
Daniel in MI : 3/22/2023 7:58 am : link
There’s a whole other FA period after the draft and at cutdowns where you can get some guys to solidify things, and of course we have 9 picks atm if I’m not mistaken. It’s absolutely a concern but let’s see where we end up when the dust settles.
"Exponential Decay Function"?  
OntheRoad : 3/22/2023 10:39 am : link

I know sports analytics are becoming more mathematical, but this is ridiculous.
RE: Funny perspective on Mark Glowinski:  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2023 10:44 am : link
In comment 16072391 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Good news: He's easily the second-best pass blocker we have.

Bad news: There are only a handful of worse pass-blocking RGs in the NFL.

Mandatory disclaimers re. PFF grades aside, the basic narrative here seems accurate. The Giants' biggest problem remains what it has been for most of the past dozen years.


he was awful for the first 2/3 of the season but from the 2nd washington game on he stepped up. not sure if we credit chemistry or him getting acclimated to system, but if he and neal solidify the right side next year the OL should be better as long as they can find replacement level players at lg/c. bredeson should be one of those guys if he's healthy.

in their limited pass pro reps, ezeudu and lemiuex were quite literally as bad as it gets in pass pro last year. neal too. they need to not have anyone on the field that bad again this year.
RE: Funny perspective on Mark Glowinski:  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/22/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16072391 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Good news: He's easily the second-best pass blocker we have.

Bad news: There are only a handful of worse pass-blocking RGs in the NFL.

Mandatory disclaimers re. PFF grades aside, the basic narrative here seems accurate. The Giants' biggest problem remains what it has been for most of the past dozen years.


There is no quick fix to fix a completely decimated oline. In fact its a very hard long term slog.
Talking about the Cards ....  
Manny in CA : 3/22/2023 11:48 pm : link
Will Hernandez (remember him ?) scored an 86, 6th best right guard in the NFL.
OL  
stretch234 : 3/23/2023 5:12 am : link
The Giants understand this. What they have been unable to do is develop anyone after a 1st rd OL since the early Coughlin years. Injuries have certainly hurt that

I think they see Bredeson as the C and Ezeudu as the LG. I think they will draft at least 2 OL Glowinski is what he is. Neal is the key. Neal plays better makes Glowinski look better

Sans Phi and Dal finding competent OL is a league wide issue. It also difficult because veteran guys don’t sign to stay on the bench. Your depth is either super young or career backups who have very limited spot duty

RE: Sad.. just sad..  
Red Right Hand : 3/23/2023 7:35 am : link
In comment 16072166 prdave73 said:
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Probably the main reason the Giants have been struggling for the last decade. I’ve been preaching this all offseason.. The Oline is key! The Giants need to start paying attention to it! To understand why it is essential to have a solid offensive line, consider the teams participating in the playoffs and the Super Bowl this past year! Smh..
" the Giants need to start paying attention to it!".. It is a fiction that they have not. With the exception of Gettlemans last year, and Schoen this year, we have sunk shitloads of both picks and FA dollars into the O-line. They've either gotten injured or fell on their faces. So, Schoen puts 3 piks and signs a total of 10 OL last year. How is that not paying attention to it? Like Gettleman before him, it just hasn't worked out. I'm just waiting for the fans to start screaming for his head, because they will.
On the surface,  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/23/2023 9:18 am : link

Not making one addition to an OL that ranked 32nd is pass pro could be considered pure lunacy. Or it is low key pure genius. Guess we shall see.

Honestly think they are banking on their high picks last year..Neal and Ezeudu. Bred and Glow showed they are adequate at least.


Learning curve in new system, Neal's horrid rookie year, Feliciano stinking for most of year, not realizing Bredeson was actually half decent, injuries, all were big contributing factors to the 32nd ranking.

This year its a bit different and in theory improved:

LT Thomas- top 5 in NFL
LG- Glowinski- average but adequate
OC - Bredeson - projects quite a bit better than Feliciano, EZ and Lemieux backups and will take snaps at OC
RG- Ezeudu high 3rd and flashed, excellent feet. 2nd year now.
RT 2nd year Neal, with Phillips as the backup plan

Right or wrong they probably think this is a strong enough group 2nd year in the system and with 2 starters no longer rookies but 2nd year players. They probably add somewhere in the draft here too (just not round 1 or probably not round 2).
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