“Teams I’m told are interested with the possible capital to pull off a trade for Hopkins include (but aren’t limited to) the New England Patriots, New York Giants, Tennessee Titans and Atlanta Falcons.” Hopkins - ( New Window )
cooks was due a similar amount but after the texans ate some of the money and dallas restructured him, the cap # for the year is 6m.
that said from a cap standpoint i dont think nyg are realistic for hopkins unless he just falls into their lap. if they were i just dont see them spending 11m combined on slayton/campbell.
if the market for him is cold and you can get him for day 3 picks like cooks (or cooper last year) you almost have to do it. the upside is too much. but the falcons and pats have a lot more cap space so i expect he ends up somewhere else.
probably also has some appeal. NE and ATL are probably both in more of a desperate posture as well. Arthur Smith has to be one of the most likely guys to get canned next and Belichek im sure wants to get the stink of the patricia/judge offense as far in the rearview as possible.
Giants added some legitimate weapons to their offense this offseason and I'm sure he's seen that and the praise the Giants have gotten for it. The more weapons, the less it's all on him to produce and no one else. That also might be appealing to him.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
torrance and OC first 2 rds!!!
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
torrance and OC first 2 rds!!!
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
Extend LW, SB, and AJ and pull this off for a #3 and I'll say we are a potential SB contender.
I'd put some $ on the Giants if we pull that off.
We'd instantly have an explosive, top tier offense. DJ would have the weapons he needs, and we'd have time to find a younger #1 in a year or 2.
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
Too much wishful thinking on your part. What do you think the Cards would take for him - already has been speculated a 2nd. Do you think the Giants give up their 1st to get salary relief? I doubt it.
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
Maybe so, but OTC says it is $10 mill for the rookie pool for the Giants. What you say makes sense to me, but OTC sees it different.
And it's going to be like this for the next several years because the QBs are average vis-a-vis the AFC.
Like I said earlier, if Schoen believes Hopkins has three quality years left, make the move.
That's where I am outside of Daniel johns they are very few elite quarterbacks in the NFC(grin)
I trust Schoen to make a decision based on intelligence but how can he know how long a player might be at "that" level..?
Trading capital for Hopkins concerns me when there is a cap consideration to consider.
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
Maybe so, but OTC says it is $10 mill for the rookie pool for the Giants. What you say makes sense to me, but OTC sees it different.
no they see it the same, if you go to the link below where they list out the rookie pools they have a rookie pool amount and the column right next to that is "cap space", which they have at 2.9m, almost entirely from the 25th pick which is slotted at 2.5m. even the 57th pick is only slotted to get 1.1m which is barely above the minimum whoever the previous 51st man is. https://overthecap.com/draft - ( New Window )
If you are against Hopkins coming here you sure better not push OBJ. This idea that Hopkins is done is beyond stupid and completely inaccurate. He is WAY more a sure thing than MR King of hype and self promotion OBJ. Beckham, coming off his second ACL and who missed all of last year and most of the last three years is absolutely not they guy for this team..
Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
Too much wishful thinking on your part. What do you think the Cards would take for him - already has been speculated a 2nd. Do you think the Giants give up their 1st to get salary relief? I doubt it.
reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
Eric, IIRC you have been hard on getting Hopkins from the get go. Maybe I'm not correct, but you and Kmed6000 are crazy on Hopkins. If it isn't you, then I am sorry.
But that is why I said too much wishful thinking.
I like him and think he'd be fun for Jones. I just do not see Schoen spending that kind of money while giving up picks. I think the Cards want more than a #2.
If you are against Hopkins coming here you sure better not push OBJ. This idea that Hopkins is done is beyond stupid and completely inaccurate. He is WAY more a sure thing than MR King of hype and self promotion OBJ. Beckham, coming off his second ACL and who missed all of last year and most of the last three years is absolutely not they guy for this team..
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
RE: My head is spinning with how many weapons we would have
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
Eric, IIRC you have been hard on getting Hopkins from the get go. Maybe I'm not correct, but you and Kmed6000 are crazy on Hopkins. If it isn't you, then I am sorry.
But that is why I said too much wishful thinking.
I like him and think he'd be fun for Jones. I just do not see Schoen spending that kind of money while giving up picks. I think the Cards want more than a #2.
before waller 100% but after waller (plus slayton/campbell) i dont see the cap room for it. for all the same reasons i was on board with hopkins (or sutton) im a fan of the waller move, and they literally got him with the exact pick i was hoping to get hopkins for (the toney pick).
now if somehow he's available for day 3 picks/conditional picks like cooks and arizona is eating a lot of money, and they think he's a culture fit, i could be convinced to mortgage a little cap room to make it happen because the guy is still a stud. but i see that as very unlikely bc it's a lot of ifs.
now if somehow he's available for day 3 picks/conditional picks like cooks and arizona is eating a lot of money, and they think he's a culture fit, i could be convinced to mortgage a little cap room to make it happen because the guy is still a stud. but i see that as very unlikely bc it's a lot of ifs.
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
Waller: Age (31) — (20 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Hopkins: Age (31) — (19 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Look, I could see Hopkins having a skill set that lasts. He could still be good.
But I just don’t like the idea of “going in” on both of these guys because you think there’s a specific window. It’s a pretty huge risk if they do it.
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
Waller: Age (31) — (20 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Hopkins: Age (31) — (19 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Look, I could see Hopkins having a skill set that lasts. He could still be good.
But I just don’t like the idea of “going in” on both of these guys because you think there’s a specific window. It’s a pretty huge risk if they do it.
It’s risky, don’t get me wrong. But if they trade for Hopkins you know they think we can win sooner than later.
If you are against Hopkins coming here you sure better not push OBJ. This idea that Hopkins is done is beyond stupid and completely inaccurate. He is WAY more a sure thing than MR King of hype and self promotion OBJ. Beckham, coming off his second ACL and who missed all of last year and most of the last three years is absolutely not they guy for this team..
Wut? Fail. You absolutely can be for OBJ and against Hopkins, based on the fact that Hopkins will cost at least a premium pick, and OBJ doesn't, and based on the fact that OBJ's salary would assuredly involve less guaranteed money, and less money overall, with significant protection to the club should he be re-injured, because whatever deal OBJ gets will be incentive-laden.
And let's not act like Nuk isn't a diva receiver. Let's not act like he's the cleanest player with no downside.
Sure, side by side, removing the cost equation from them, Hopkins is the safer bet.
But absolutely is there a strong case to be made that OBJ is the more cost-effective bet because he doesn't involve draft comp and won't command nearly asuch guaranteed money.
Both with recent injury histories is not my idea of building a team , nor do I think it’s JS’s either when you have the #25 and #57 and need a Center, CB, LB, and good healthy WR in the #1 or #2 role in the top 4-5 picks , among other needs , and can use the lower round for more bites at the apple or to package up to a better pick position for YOUR GUY.
If you are against Hopkins coming here you sure better not push OBJ. This idea that Hopkins is done is beyond stupid and completely inaccurate. He is WAY more a sure thing than MR King of hype and self promotion OBJ. Beckham, coming off his second ACL and who missed all of last year and most of the last three years is absolutely not they guy for this team..
Wut? Fail. You absolutely can be for OBJ and against Hopkins, based on the fact that Hopkins will cost at least a premium pick, and OBJ doesn't, and based on the fact that OBJ's salary would assuredly involve less guaranteed money, and less money overall, with significant protection to the club should he be re-injured, because whatever deal OBJ gets will be incentive-laden.
And let's not act like Nuk isn't a diva receiver. Let's not act like he's the cleanest player with no downside.
Sure, side by side, removing the cost equation from them, Hopkins is the safer bet.
But absolutely is there a strong case to be made that OBJ is the more cost-effective bet because he doesn't involve draft comp and won't command nearly asuch guaranteed money.
No, I said if you think Hopkins is done or on the backside. You Beckham fans believe the hype so much, the guy is at best a rental for a short 8-10 week stretch. He is an injury waiting to happen and a distraction..
SB? maybe if we shore up IOL and maybe cb
signing ashawn too
we would be a solid playoff contender hopkins good is he better than odell without comp?
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Extend LW, SB, and AJ and pull this off for a #3 and I'll say we are a potential SB contender.
SB? maybe if we shore up IOL and maybe cb
signing ashawn too
we would be a solid playoff contender hopkins good is he better than odell without comp?
different players but definitely better than odell and worth a pick. Odell is a headcase.
Yes, he is a million times more of a sure thing than Odell.
Hodgins
Slayton
Campbell
Shepard
Wan'Dale
Barkley
Breida
Waller
Bellinger
Wow.
that said from a cap standpoint i dont think nyg are realistic for hopkins unless he just falls into their lap. if they were i just dont see them spending 11m combined on slayton/campbell.
if the market for him is cold and you can get him for day 3 picks like cooks (or cooper last year) you almost have to do it. the upside is too much. but the falcons and pats have a lot more cap space so i expect he ends up somewhere else.
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Huh? It flat out says... The Team's Im told are interested...
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I don't know how true that was, but he seems to want out of Arizona.
I like the player, not the contract.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
torrance and OC first 2 rds!!!
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
torrance and OC first 2 rds!!!
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
Like I said earlier, if Schoen believes Hopkins has three quality years left, make the move.
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
Is that really a lot of money for a #1 receiver?? Extend LW, and Adoree. That alone get's you there. No other player in FA or the draft would have a bigger impact on the 2023 season IMO.
No, #s are in line for a #1 WR. They do not have the money for that. Remember they need $11 mill for draft picks(minus the ones traded for Hopkins) - so $9 mill. Then they need operating cash $10-12 mill.
May need money for A'Shawn Robinson. They need a center.
DONT think we need close to 11 million for picks this yr
torrance and OC first 2 rds!!!
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
I'd put some $ on the Giants if we pull that off.
We'd instantly have an explosive, top tier offense. DJ would have the weapons he needs, and we'd have time to find a younger #1 in a year or 2.
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
Too much wishful thinking on your part. What do you think the Cards would take for him - already has been speculated a 2nd. Do you think the Giants give up their 1st to get salary relief? I doubt it.
That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
Maybe so, but OTC says it is $10 mill for the rookie pool for the Giants. What you say makes sense to me, but OTC sees it different.
Like I said earlier, if Schoen believes Hopkins has three quality years left, make the move.
That's where I am outside of Daniel johns they are very few elite quarterbacks in the NFC(grin)
I trust Schoen to make a decision based on intelligence but how can he know how long a player might be at "that" level..?
Trading capital for Hopkins concerns me when there is a cap consideration to consider.
Like I said earlier, if Schoen believes Hopkins has three quality years left, make the move.
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That comes from OTC they show $10+ mill now. I didn't think so either. They already lost a 3rd for Waller. Losing a 2nd rounder for Hopkins saves about $1 mill more...
most of that 10m is already being counted against the cap via the top 51. the net increase is only the 3-4m the high picks get with their contracts being over the minimum.
Maybe so, but OTC says it is $10 mill for the rookie pool for the Giants. What you say makes sense to me, but OTC sees it different.
no they see it the same, if you go to the link below where they list out the rookie pools they have a rookie pool amount and the column right next to that is "cap space", which they have at 2.9m, almost entirely from the 25th pick which is slotted at 2.5m. even the 57th pick is only slotted to get 1.1m which is barely above the minimum whoever the previous 51st man is.
https://overthecap.com/draft - ( New Window )
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Hopkins $19.5 mill contract this year and $14.5 mill next year and then need to deal with him wanting an extension, plus the honor of giving up draft picks.
I like the player, not the contract.
whoever trades for him isn't likely taking the full 19.5m. look at the cooks trade. houston ate 8m i think, dallas took 12m, and then restructured a bunch of money right away to get his cap # down to 6m. something similar is going to happen in any hopkins deal so arizona can get the best return on the trade in terms of picks.
Too much wishful thinking on your part. What do you think the Cards would take for him - already has been speculated a 2nd. Do you think the Giants give up their 1st to get salary relief? I doubt it.
reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
Agreed, we are already rolling the dice on a 30+ year old in Waller, no need to make it two.
reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
Eric, IIRC you have been hard on getting Hopkins from the get go. Maybe I'm not correct, but you and Kmed6000 are crazy on Hopkins. If it isn't you, then I am sorry.
But that is why I said too much wishful thinking.
I like him and think he'd be fun for Jones. I just do not see Schoen spending that kind of money while giving up picks. I think the Cards want more than a #2.
This.
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
Hodgins
Slayton
Campbell
Shepard
Wan'Dale
Barkley
Breida
Waller
Bellinger
Wow.
I think you might need to look up the definition of weapons
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
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reread my posts above, i dont think the giants are getting him so no sure how you think im being wishful. my comments are about any trade from whoever trades for him doing exactly what the texans had to do to facilitate trading cooks. and then the trading team restructuring the remaining salary the same way the giants did with waller and cowboys did with cooks.
regardless of who trades for him at this point i would probably bet against the cards getting a 2nd round pick for him bc if that offer was out there it would be done already. the broncos couldnt get 2nds for their WRs so they pulled them off the market. i assume a big reason the giants chose to go with waller was that he cost a late 3rd as opposed to the cardinals wanting more for hopkins. now it's a waiting game a lot like bradberry last year, so who knows how it ends?
again, as i said above i would bet on NE or ATL to get him. they have cap room and motivation. but if either was motivated enough to give up their 2nd's he'd be there already probably.
Eric, IIRC you have been hard on getting Hopkins from the get go. Maybe I'm not correct, but you and Kmed6000 are crazy on Hopkins. If it isn't you, then I am sorry.
But that is why I said too much wishful thinking.
I like him and think he'd be fun for Jones. I just do not see Schoen spending that kind of money while giving up picks. I think the Cards want more than a #2.
before waller 100% but after waller (plus slayton/campbell) i dont see the cap room for it. for all the same reasons i was on board with hopkins (or sutton) im a fan of the waller move, and they literally got him with the exact pick i was hoping to get hopkins for (the toney pick).
now if somehow he's available for day 3 picks/conditional picks like cooks and arizona is eating a lot of money, and they think he's a culture fit, i could be convinced to mortgage a little cap room to make it happen because the guy is still a stud. but i see that as very unlikely bc it's a lot of ifs.
now if somehow he's available for day 3 picks/conditional picks like cooks and arizona is eating a lot of money, and they think he's a culture fit, i could be convinced to mortgage a little cap room to make it happen because the guy is still a stud. but i see that as very unlikely bc it's a lot of ifs.
Under those conditions, count me in.
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Would be a massive (giant?) gamble.
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
Waller: Age (31) — (20 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Hopkins: Age (31) — (19 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Look, I could see Hopkins having a skill set that lasts. He could still be good.
But I just don’t like the idea of “going in” on both of these guys because you think there’s a specific window. It’s a pretty huge risk if they do it.
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Would be a massive (giant?) gamble.
Hopkins has been one of my favorite receivers to watch the last 7 or so years. Very impressive ball catcher to put it simply. He had a catch that didn’t count vs. us a while ago that was one of the best catches I’ve ever seen.
Just doesn’t feel like the right move after Waller though. A younger WR through the draft would be preferred imo.
I think it really depends on where Schoen and Daboll see this team from a competitiveness standpoint. If they think we are in the so-called “window” right now you make a move for a player like Hopkins. Because you aren’t getting a receiver like that in all likelihood at #25 or #57.
Now if they don’t feel we are contenders yet you sit back, draft well, and move on.
Waller: Age (31) — (20 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Hopkins: Age (31) — (19 out of 34 games last 2 years)
Look, I could see Hopkins having a skill set that lasts. He could still be good.
But I just don’t like the idea of “going in” on both of these guys because you think there’s a specific window. It’s a pretty huge risk if they do it.
It’s risky, don’t get me wrong. But if they trade for Hopkins you know they think we can win sooner than later.
Wut? Fail. You absolutely can be for OBJ and against Hopkins, based on the fact that Hopkins will cost at least a premium pick, and OBJ doesn't, and based on the fact that OBJ's salary would assuredly involve less guaranteed money, and less money overall, with significant protection to the club should he be re-injured, because whatever deal OBJ gets will be incentive-laden.
And let's not act like Nuk isn't a diva receiver. Let's not act like he's the cleanest player with no downside.
Sure, side by side, removing the cost equation from them, Hopkins is the safer bet.
But absolutely is there a strong case to be made that OBJ is the more cost-effective bet because he doesn't involve draft comp and won't command nearly asuch guaranteed money.
If he can be had for a 3rd I’d do it in 2 seconds
He already said he would rework deal too
Imagine 2 third rounders allow us to add to vet playmakers….I mean it’s a no brainer
Hodgins
Slayton
Campbell
Shepard
Wan'Dale
Barkley
Breida
Waller
Bellinger
Wow.
You’re forgetting that 4 to 6 of these men will be on injured reserve by week 4.
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If you are against Hopkins coming here you sure better not push OBJ. This idea that Hopkins is done is beyond stupid and completely inaccurate. He is WAY more a sure thing than MR King of hype and self promotion OBJ. Beckham, coming off his second ACL and who missed all of last year and most of the last three years is absolutely not they guy for this team..
Wut? Fail. You absolutely can be for OBJ and against Hopkins, based on the fact that Hopkins will cost at least a premium pick, and OBJ doesn't, and based on the fact that OBJ's salary would assuredly involve less guaranteed money, and less money overall, with significant protection to the club should he be re-injured, because whatever deal OBJ gets will be incentive-laden.
And let's not act like Nuk isn't a diva receiver. Let's not act like he's the cleanest player with no downside.
Sure, side by side, removing the cost equation from them, Hopkins is the safer bet.
But absolutely is there a strong case to be made that OBJ is the more cost-effective bet because he doesn't involve draft comp and won't command nearly asuch guaranteed money.
No, I said if you think Hopkins is done or on the backside. You Beckham fans believe the hype so much, the guy is at best a rental for a short 8-10 week stretch. He is an injury waiting to happen and a distraction..