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Hypothetical BPA Mock at #25

AG5686 : 3/22/2023 10:06 am
If the following guys are still on the board at #25,who u takin????
Jalin Hyatt
Michael Meyer
O'Cyrus Torrence
Noland Smith
Brian Breese
Cam Smith
Trenton Simpson
Torrence  
Thegratefulhead : 3/22/2023 10:08 am : link
I would prefer a WR but do not need another little one.
Simpson  
jeff57 : 3/22/2023 10:12 am : link
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Michael Meyer  
ChicagoGiant : 3/22/2023 10:13 am : link
If Michael Meyer is a future all pro - should you really pass him up? He has all the skills and that would make a crazy TE room and give DJ another weapon
Torrence  
Rick in Dallas : 3/22/2023 10:15 am : link
The middle of the OL is below average right now. It needs to be upgraded
Hyatt  
section125 : 3/22/2023 10:15 am : link
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Hyatt...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/22/2023 10:16 am : link
...or Breese
RE: Torrence  
eli4life : 3/22/2023 10:16 am : link
In comment 16072493 Thegratefulhead said:
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I would prefer a WR but do not need another little one.


Agreed but add whoever the best c as well
Nolan Smith Jr.  
Anakim : 3/22/2023 10:19 am : link
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I would take Hyatt  
BSIMatt : 3/22/2023 10:21 am : link
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Hyatt  
Capt. Don : 3/22/2023 10:22 am : link
He has warts but his top end speed gives us something we don't have.

He looks limited in the types of routes he can win but his over the top speed changes Def Coordinators willingness to take risks and play the run using an 8th defender.

Also, with Waller running seam routes, it puts a ton of pressure on that safety.
Torrance  
PatersonPlank : 3/22/2023 10:22 am : link
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I like building the trench  
mavric : 3/22/2023 10:23 am : link
So either Torrence or Bresee would make my day. Those two are top shelf in a position with little depth. We can get a solid WR, CB, TE later in the draft. Nothing like owning the trench.
I'm thinking Smith or Simpson.  
barens : 3/22/2023 10:25 am : link
2 speedy defensive talents that are hard to pass up.

I think the next 2 rounds offer plenty of options for a WR and an interior offensive lineman.

Smith or Hyatt probably  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2023 10:28 am : link
though it would also depend on which corners are left. i think that's the strongest position in the draft so if there's one that really stood out, id pick one.
Bresee  
Watson : 3/22/2023 10:30 am : link
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O'Cyrus Torrence  
US1 Giants : 3/22/2023 10:33 am : link
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I'm assuming you meant...  
Johnny5 : 3/22/2023 10:36 am : link
... Bresee. I think he is the best of the ones you listed. Not sure how this draft will play out but I'm guessing we land a better prospect than what you have listed there. Just a guess though.
Torrence  
Spider43 : 3/22/2023 10:37 am : link
Or Schmitz, if he's there. Whoever the brass has rated higher. I wouldn't mind a highly rated offensive tackle who falls either, if the brass wants to move someone inside. But I'd rather get a plug-and-play center for the next 10 years. The transition will be easier and we'll be much better for it. But we need to start focusing on the offensive line, after we improved the rest of the squad thus far. An offensive lineman at #25 jump starts that process tremendously.
I'm going with Michael Mayer  
GFAN52 : 3/22/2023 10:37 am : link
Instead of Michael Meyer.
I have been on the Hyatt train for a while  
Rjanyg : 3/22/2023 10:38 am : link
Trying to figure out if there is anybody better that fills a need. CB and Center may be the next largest need but not sure anybody will be worth the 25th pick.

Plus, What WR is going to be available at pick 57 that can really help our offense like Hyatt could?
Hyatt  
allstarjim : 3/22/2023 10:39 am : link
adds that deep speed element. I know people have concerns about his route-running. He is slight of frame, but long arms. He's DeVonta Smith size, and I don't think people look at Smith as a little receiver. Smith is a really terrific route runner, but I think Hyatt has the skillset to be a good route-runner. I think he didn't get to show it that much at Tennessee, but there are little nuances I saw in terms of stop-start ability that I think he has all the tools to be a true #1.

The arm-length for me is significant...32.5" arms as opposed to Addison who has a shade under 31" arms but also a smidge smaller hands.

Hyatt also has a 40" vert. So all the physical attributes would suggest he can play bigger than his 6'0" frame, combined with the elite speed, that's my guy.
You don't reach for Hyatt  
Chip : 3/22/2023 10:44 am : link
you can't go wrong with Breese, Meyer, or Torrence.
Trade down a few spots.....  
George from PA : 3/22/2023 10:45 am : link
If possible
RE: I have been on the Hyatt train for a while  
Eric on Li : 3/22/2023 10:47 am : link
In comment 16072523 Rjanyg said:
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Trying to figure out if there is anybody better that fills a need. CB and Center may be the next largest need but not sure anybody will be worth the 25th pick.

Plus, What WR is going to be available at pick 57 that can really help our offense like Hyatt could?


it's possible if someone like tank dell is projected to be there. with slayton, campbell, hodgins, and waller they can afford to go with another shifty big play type like wandale. or maybe they decide to roll the dice on upside like bryce ford wheaton. is the gap between him and johnston worth passing on an impact d player?
RE: I have been on the Hyatt train for a while  
barens : 3/22/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16072523 Rjanyg said:
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Trying to figure out if there is anybody better that fills a need. CB and Center may be the next largest need but not sure anybody will be worth the 25th pick.

Plus, What WR is going to be available at pick 57 that can really help our offense like Hyatt could?


I'm hoping Marvin Mims, but that may be wishful thinking.
Torrence.  
AcidTest : 3/22/2023 11:01 am : link
Build the trenches. Think he's long gone though by #25.
Hyatt  
Mike in NY : 3/22/2023 11:02 am : link
or Cody Mauch
Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
Rave7 : 3/22/2023 11:05 am : link
3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.
RE: RE: I have been on the Hyatt train for a while  
allstarjim : 3/22/2023 11:08 am : link
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Trying to figure out if there is anybody better that fills a need. CB and Center may be the next largest need but not sure anybody will be worth the 25th pick.

Plus, What WR is going to be available at pick 57 that can really help our offense like Hyatt could?



I'm hoping Marvin Mims, but that may be wishful thinking.


Really, really good call and not a guy that has been talked about enough here, IMO. Good explosion numbers from him at the combine, sub 4.4 40, 39.5" vert, 6.9 cone.

Really like him as a darkhorse in the 2nd, and one of those reasons you don't have to force it if a receiver you don't absolutely love the receivers available at #25.
RE: Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
allstarjim : 3/22/2023 11:13 am : link
In comment 16072559 Rave7 said:
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3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.


I also like Scott but Hyatt is in a different stratosphere in terms of quality of playmaker than Slayton, IMO. And I don't believe they are redundant at all. Hyatt has way more upside, and more explosion, and much better hands, low drop rate. I just think Hyatt has a better overall game to go with the top end speed. Based on my study of Hyatt, I think he has the tools to be an explosive route-runner that he really didn't get to showcase a lot at Tennessee. But he sure found himself wide open a hell of a lot. Part of that was Heupel's scheme, part of that was Hyatt just being better than the guy he was lined up across from, which happened often.
RE: RE: Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
Big Blue '56 : 3/22/2023 11:22 am : link
In comment 16072570 allstarjim said:
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3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.



I also like Scott but Hyatt is in a different stratosphere in terms of quality of playmaker than Slayton, IMO. And I don't believe they are redundant at all. Hyatt has way more upside, and more explosion, and much better hands, low drop rate. I just think Hyatt has a better overall game to go with the top end speed. Based on my study of Hyatt, I think he has the tools to be an explosive route-runner that he really didn't get to showcase a lot at Tennessee. But he sure found himself wide open a hell of a lot. Part of that was Heupel's scheme, part of that was Hyatt just being better than the guy he was lined up across from, which happened often.


The key statement is “much better hands.”
If Torrence is what they are saying about him  
Giant John : 3/22/2023 11:25 am : link
He would be my choice. Don’t think he makes it 25 but would be nice.
Build the Trenches  
pa_giant_fan : 3/22/2023 11:32 am : link
Torrence or Bresee, but both will be gone before 25
RE: RE: Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
Rave7 : 3/22/2023 11:34 am : link
In comment 16072570 allstarjim said:
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3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.



I also like Scott but Hyatt is in a different stratosphere in terms of quality of playmaker than Slayton, IMO. And I don't believe they are redundant at all. Hyatt has way more upside, and more explosion, and much better hands, low drop rate. I just think Hyatt has a better overall game to go with the top end speed. Based on my study of Hyatt, I think he has the tools to be an explosive route-runner that he really didn't get to showcase a lot at Tennessee. But he sure found himself wide open a hell of a lot. Part of that was Heupel's scheme, part of that was Hyatt just being better than the guy he was lined up across from, which happened often.


I do agree with Hyatt having better hands than Slayton and I know Hyatt is a better prospect than Slayton. What I meant was a vertical element. I think value-wise, Tyler Scott also gives similar traits as Hyatt but we have a chance in 2nd rd with Scott. For me, 1st rd wr, I want WR who is a more dynamic route runner like JSN, Addison, or Flowers. That's just my preference.
Bresee  
RHPeel : 3/22/2023 12:14 pm : link
He's a good scheme fit, fills a need, physically gifted. If he's there at 25 I'm quite happy to grab him.
RE: RE: RE: Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
allstarjim : 3/22/2023 12:21 pm : link
In comment 16072588 Rave7 said:
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3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.



I also like Scott but Hyatt is in a different stratosphere in terms of quality of playmaker than Slayton, IMO. And I don't believe they are redundant at all. Hyatt has way more upside, and more explosion, and much better hands, low drop rate. I just think Hyatt has a better overall game to go with the top end speed. Based on my study of Hyatt, I think he has the tools to be an explosive route-runner that he really didn't get to showcase a lot at Tennessee. But he sure found himself wide open a hell of a lot. Part of that was Heupel's scheme, part of that was Hyatt just being better than the guy he was lined up across from, which happened often.



I do agree with Hyatt having better hands than Slayton and I know Hyatt is a better prospect than Slayton. What I meant was a vertical element. I think value-wise, Tyler Scott also gives similar traits as Hyatt but we have a chance in 2nd rd with Scott. For me, 1st rd wr, I want WR who is a more dynamic route runner like JSN, Addison, or Flowers. That's just my preference.


That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. And I admit, part of my affinity for Hyatt in the first is projection as to his potential as a route runner, as opposed to demonstrated performance on what he did at Tennessee. I just don't think that offense gave him an opportunity to showcase that enough, but I believe he has the tools to do it at a high level with mentorship by guys like Shepard and coaching from this staff.

And I do like that Bearcat, Tyler Scott. But Hyatt to me has #1 ceiling, and I think Tyler Scott I think is a upside #2 ceiling. I do like both players. Hyatt to me has a Jeremy Maclin-like floor with CeeDee Lamb upside.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nolan Smith or Bryan Bresee  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/22/2023 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16072635 allstarjim said:
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3rd will be Torrence.
Hyatt, I think he is quite redundant with Slayton at this point.
I thought Hyatt would be faster and have better 40 times but 4.4 was a little disappointing when Slayton also ran 4.39.
If we want a deep threat we can wait and pick Tyler Scott in 2nd rd. I like him as a vertical threat. Greg Cossell liked Scott's tape better than Hyatt's.



I also like Scott but Hyatt is in a different stratosphere in terms of quality of playmaker than Slayton, IMO. And I don't believe they are redundant at all. Hyatt has way more upside, and more explosion, and much better hands, low drop rate. I just think Hyatt has a better overall game to go with the top end speed. Based on my study of Hyatt, I think he has the tools to be an explosive route-runner that he really didn't get to showcase a lot at Tennessee. But he sure found himself wide open a hell of a lot. Part of that was Heupel's scheme, part of that was Hyatt just being better than the guy he was lined up across from, which happened often.



I do agree with Hyatt having better hands than Slayton and I know Hyatt is a better prospect than Slayton. What I meant was a vertical element. I think value-wise, Tyler Scott also gives similar traits as Hyatt but we have a chance in 2nd rd with Scott. For me, 1st rd wr, I want WR who is a more dynamic route runner like JSN, Addison, or Flowers. That's just my preference.



That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint. And I admit, part of my affinity for Hyatt in the first is projection as to his potential as a route runner, as opposed to demonstrated performance on what he did at Tennessee. I just don't think that offense gave him an opportunity to showcase that enough, but I believe he has the tools to do it at a high level with mentorship by guys like Shepard and coaching from this staff.

And I do like that Bearcat, Tyler Scott. But Hyatt to me has #1 ceiling, and I think Tyler Scott I think is a upside #2 ceiling. I do like both players. Hyatt to me has a Jeremy Maclin-like floor with CeeDee Lamb upside.


Tyler Scott is a low key beast. He is my favorite 'sleeper' pick of the draft and would be my top pick at 57 if he dropped that far of we did not go WR round 1.

Hyatt and QJ I am still wavering on but I definitely acknowledge that they both have high ceilings (but maybe lower floors).
To the OP question  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/22/2023 12:34 pm : link
I think Nolan Smith would be in a tier of his own. Giants have historically loved pass rish and it's what led to 2007 and 2011.

Hyatt and Cam Smith definitely have high ceilings bit some risk. All would depend on Giants grade on them.

Torrence... well the Giants stress positional value and haven't taken an IOL on round 1 in forever.
RE: To the OP question  
allstarjim : 3/22/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16072648 CornerStone246+17 said:
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I think Nolan Smith would be in a tier of his own. Giants have historically loved pass rish and it's what led to 2007 and 2011.

Hyatt and Cam Smith definitely have high ceilings bit some risk. All would depend on Giants grade on them.

Torrence... well the Giants stress positional value and haven't taken an IOL on round 1 in forever.


Boy is Smith fast and twitchy. But boy is he small to project to edge. I would've loved to see him as a ILB. Hard to know what his best position would be. What a terrific athlete, though...but I have concerns that he wouldn't offer much as an edge-setter at all. I wonder if you could play him in a variety of roles, a guy that drops in coverage a lot and situationally rushes the passer in passing situations. I think I like others more at #25 because of the size concerns.
That's a very tough call  
Jay on the Island : 3/22/2023 1:00 pm : link
I would give a slight edge to O'Cyrus Torrence over Bresee.
RE: To the OP question  
AG5686 : 3/22/2023 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16072648 CornerStone246+17 said:
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I think Nolan Smith would be in a tier of his own. Giants have historically loved pass rish and it's what led to 2007 and 2011.

Hyatt and Cam Smith definitely have high ceilings bit some risk. All would depend on Giants grade on them.

Torrence... well the Giants stress positional value and haven't taken an IOL on round 1 in forever.

I have noticed more chatter on BBI about Nolan Smith,perhaps I have too much confidence in Ojulari,but I see WR,ILB,CB being a much more immediate need.
One thing Scoen has done during this FA period is allow us to take BPA at #25.
We couldn't tackle anyone in the middle of the field last year,and the NFL is a CB/WR driven league now....
I am not saying Id be upset if we go Edge or even DL Bryse or something....but it's just not top priority IMHO
With that many options I am  
MotownGIANTS : 3/22/2023 1:11 pm : link
entertaining a small trade back.
RE: RE: To the OP question  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/22/2023 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16072658 allstarjim said:
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I think Nolan Smith would be in a tier of his own. Giants have historically loved pass rish and it's what led to 2007 and 2011.

Hyatt and Cam Smith definitely have high ceilings bit some risk. All would depend on Giants grade on them.

Torrence... well the Giants stress positional value and haven't taken an IOL on round 1 in forever.



Boy is Smith fast and twitchy. But boy is he small to project to edge. I would've loved to see him as a ILB. Hard to know what his best position would be. What a terrific athlete, though...but I have concerns that he wouldn't offer much as an edge-setter at all. I wonder if you could play him in a variety of roles, a guy that drops in coverage a lot and situationally rushes the passer in passing situations. I think I like others more at #25 because of the size concerns.


Good points and with Oju and Thibs they might be looking for a bigger bodied guy to complement them.
Sprinting  
giant power : 3/22/2023 1:44 pm : link
to the podium for Bryan Bresse, Just what our from 7 is missing.
Several people saying Torrence  
Capt. Don : 3/22/2023 1:51 pm : link
I would take Matt Bergeron over him.
Torrence then Breese  
kelly : 3/22/2023 2:44 pm : link
Have to win at the line of scrimmage.

Also if Bredesen moves to Center left guard is wide open and not sure we have anyone ready to man that spot this year.
RE: With that many options I am  
AG5686 : 3/22/2023 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16072686 MotownGIANTS said:
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entertaining a small trade back.

I have seen mocks that have us trading back with KC and getting their #31 plus their 2nd rounder....
I like it
RE: I have been on the Hyatt train for a while  
Eman11 : 3/22/2023 5:52 pm : link
In comment 16072523 Rjanyg said:
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Trying to figure out if there is anybody better that fills a need. CB and Center may be the next largest need but not sure anybody will be worth the 25th pick.

Plus, What WR is going to be available at pick 57 that can really help our offense like Hyatt could?


His teammate Cedric Tillman.
Mayer appears to be a great talent  
Matt M. : 3/22/2023 5:55 pm : link
But, I wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on a TE at this time.
Torrance in the first  
Carl in CT : 3/22/2023 11:11 pm : link
A center in the second. Corner/WR the two rounds after that.
RE: Torrence.  
Joe Beckwith : 3/23/2023 1:19 am : link
In comment 16072552 AcidTest said:
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Build the trenches. Think he's long gone though by #25.


+1.
I doubt he makes it to 20 , and wouldn’t be surprised at 15-18, or before.
Torrence seems to be the winner in this informal BBI poll  
AG5686 : 3/23/2023 9:20 am : link
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Hyatt being 2nd
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