Mel Kiper's Mock Draft

Is there a true number one WR in this class. None of these guys are Chase from Cincinnati. Addison is good but not exceptional. JSN has been injured and has had hamstring problems. Zay Flowers is short and quick but in most years not a 1st round WR. Johnston is probably the best and would cost draft capitol to get him.

In comment 16072630 Chip said:

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Is there a true number one WR in this class. None of these guys are Chase from Cincinnati. Addison is good but not exceptional. JSN has been injured and has had hamstring problems. Zay Flowers is short and quick but in most years not a 1st round WR. Johnston is probably the best and would cost draft capitol to get him.

If JSNs hammy checks out he is the top guy. 1600yds as a sophomore outpacing the older Olave and Wilson. Both Wilson and Olave said he is the best of the 3 of them. Obscene 3 cone. He is Steve Smith Jr (NYG version) on Captain America Super Serum.

. . . went 5th overall. The Giants are picking 25th - even in a draft with a historic amount of WRs (which, to all reports, this is not) the Giants are not going to get a prospect like Chase at 25.

Mind you that doesn't mean they can't get a great WR - Tyreek Hill was a 4th Rd pick and there are legions of other examples.

But I do think people need to temper their expectations a bit - at 25 the Giants should be able to get a good player at a position of need - but expecting a Super Star at that position is probably unrealistic.

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is assuming we have to draft a WR in round 1 to get our number 1.

There are many great WR that were drafted in round 2 and later. We can point to Tee Higgins who was drafted with the 1st pick in the second round by Cincy. Amani Toomer a 2nd round pick. Antonio Brown 6th round, Stephan Diggs 5th round. Victor Cruz was undrafted. Dk Metcalf 64th pick of the draft, AJ Brown round 2......these are just a few.

All I am saying is we can reach for a WR or assume the scouting department and front office can spot talent and potential within the entire group that not only fit the scheme but also have some upside.

In comment 16072630 Chip said:

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Is there a true number one WR in this class. None of these guys are Chase from Cincinnati. Addison is good but not exceptional. JSN has been injured and has had hamstring problems. Zay Flowers is short and quick but in most years not a 1st round WR. Johnston is probably the best and would cost draft capitol to get him.

Chase was the 3rd overall pick. There are plenty of #1 WR's taken late in round 1 or after. I went back just 10 years and here are some of them:

Deandre Hopkins 27th overall
Keenan Allen 3rd round
Davante Adams 2nd round
Allen Robinson 2nd round
Jarvis Landry 2nd round
Stefon Diggs 5th round
Michael Thomas 2nd round
Tyreek Hill 5th round
Curtis Samuel 2nd round
Juju Smith-Schuster 2nd round
Cooper Kupp 3rd round
Chris Godwin 3rd round
Kenny Golladay 3rd round
DJ Moore 24th overall
Calvin Ridley 26th overall
Courtland Sutton 2nd round
Christian Kirk 2nd round
DJ Chark 2nd round
Michael Gallup 3rd round
Deebo Samuel 2nd round
AJ Brown 2nd round
DK Metcalf 2nd round
Parris Campbell 2nd round
Diontae Johnson 3rd round
Terry McLaurin 3rd round
Hunter Renfrow 5th round
Brandon Aiyuk 25th overall
Tee Higgins 2nd round
Michael Pittman 2nd round
Chase Claypool 2nd round
Gabriel Davis 4th round
Darnell Mooney 5th round
Isaiah Hodgins 6th round
Elijah Moore 2nd round
Amon-Ra St. Brown 4th round
George Pickens 2nd round
Wan'Dale Robinson 2nd round
Christian Watson 2nd round

In comment 16072642 dschwarz in westchester said:

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. . . went 5th overall. The Giants are picking 25th - even in a draft with a historic amount of WRs (which, to all reports, this is not) the Giants are not going to get a prospect like Chase at 25. Mind you that doesn't mean they can't get a great WR - Tyreek Hill was a 4th Rd pick and there are legions of other examples. But I do think people need to temper their expectations a bit - at 25 the Giants should be able to get a good player at a position of need - but expecting a Super Star at that position is probably unrealistic.

Every draft is different and has it's own dynamics. Funny that in 2020, Jefferson went 22nd overall, so that's in the Giants' range. Obviously, plenty of teams ahead of the Vikings would prefer a do-over, none more than the Eagles at #21 (Jalen Raegor). I remember giving an Eagles' friend the business for what a terrible pick that was with Jefferson right there in their laps.

Who knows how this one will play out? My inclination is that the guys who I most like at receiver for #25 (JSN, Hyatt) will be off the board, but as long as there's an impact guy there, I'll be happy. If the Giants get significantly better at corner, edge, or linebacker, or even a OG like Torrence, I'm not going to cry in my beer. Identify and get that star player that's available, and there will be those kind of guys available at 25, I truly believe that.

It appears that the best way to get a good WR is on day 2.

In comment 16072668 Jay on the Island said:

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It appears that the best way to get a good WR is on day 2.

that's why WRs don't tend to go top 10 much any more even though it's a premium position. 2021 draft was a little bit of an exception but part of that was a bounce back from the 2019 draft where AJB, Deebo, and Metcalf all ended up in round 2. and justin jefferson having the year he had in 2020.

In comment 16072674 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 16072668 Jay on the Island said: Quote: It appears that the best way to get a good WR is on day 2. that's why WRs don't tend to go top 10 much any more even though it's a premium position. 2021 draft was a little bit of an exception but part of that was a bounce back from the 2019 draft where AJB, Deebo, and Metcalf all ended up in round 2. and justin jefferson having the year he had in 2020.

this is a bit of weird draft for WR..Most have a wart or two that might push a team towards the wealth at other premium positions even moreso than recent years past. CB QB and Edge and even Tackle have so much quality...It would be hard to imagine more than 2 or 3 going before 20 but that 20-24 range a couple might go right in there.

In comment 16072660 gtt350 said:

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I'm coming around to this thinking more and more.

In comment 16072661 Rjanyg said:

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is assuming we have to draft a WR in round 1 to get our number 1. There are many great WR that were drafted in round 2 and later. We can point to Tee Higgins who was drafted with the 1st pick in the second round by Cincy. Amani Toomer a 2nd round pick. Antonio Brown 6th round, Stephan Diggs 5th round. Victor Cruz was undrafted. Dk Metcalf 64th pick of the draft, AJ Brown round 2......these are just a few. All I am saying is we can reach for a WR or assume the scouting department and front office can spot talent and potential within the entire group that not only fit the scheme but also have some upside.

This. Michael Thomas had an incredible career and was a 2nd rounder out of Ohio St. The insane notion you can get a top WR in Rd 2 or 3 is just not true. Also some years the talent isn't there.

There were people baning the drum for Treadwell as must 1st rounder and he sucked and Minny over reached in Rd 1.

I'm no scout. But it makes me cringe when people say you can't draft a LB of an OIL Sat 25 but are ok w a bust there? GMsget paid millions better to be right and need to get a FA guy than lies away a 1st round pick. See meets availablity is great. And all GMs miss. But too many pass up studs and reach IMO.

And I lien your Tee Higgins reference. He was an early 2nd rounder. Before the 24th pick that the Giants have. Schoen needs to get is right. If there's a WR good enough great. But don't reach out of panic. Please

In comment 16072637 CornerStone246+17 said:

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If JSNs hammy checks out he is the top guy.

I don't know that a hammy can ever really "check out". It may be healed, but if you're prone to pulling them, it can still go again at any time.

In comment 16072630 Chip said:

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Is there a true number one WR in this class. None of these guys are Chase from Cincinnati. Addison is good but not exceptional. JSN has been injured and has had hamstring problems. Zay Flowers is short and quick but in most years not a 1st round WR. Johnston is probably the best and would cost draft capitol to get him.

Smith-Njigba had one injury, just the hamstring. The question with him should be, not whether he is injury prone, but did he do what he could to try to get back by the end of the year to help his team. Or did he make a million $ decision? If it's the latter, will any teams will penalize him for that?

And with Johnston, don't forget that he had the 14th worst drop rate in college football and is a body catcher. Yes, he makes exciting plays, but he drops more balls than Slayton. Even in his "highlight" videos you'll see him let the ball get in to his body more than half the time. Not a good trait for a No. 1 receiver.

Trade if they can to bottom of first and pick best player available. We need depth and competition.

I don't see any receiver that will be available at 25 that would be the best player available. I actually think there is a better chance that the best player available will be a TE over a WR.

a generational player and would solve alot of problems for giants.

In comment 16072807 Rich_Houston_1971 said:

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a generational player and would solve alot of problems for giants.

May as well say you want to trade for Mahomes. He’s not for sale.

Addison reminds me of Toomer

In comment 16072830 ryanmkeane said:

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Addison reminds me of Toomer

I wouldn't cry if we choose Addison. He's kind of analogous to Hakeem Nicks to me, tremendous college production but lackluster combine.

iirc Toomer actually had very good combine numbers.

But Addison is not 212 lbs, does not have 33.5" arms, and does not have 10.5" hands...he's on the small side of all those numbers.

In comment 16072907 allstarjim said:

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But Addison is not 212 lbs, does not have 33.5" arms, and does not have 10.5" hands...he's on the small side of all those numbers.

I think Addison also has small rat claws Pickens hands.

I'll take the high production guy like good early GM Reese at 25, concerned we might take the JPP of something like later Reese.

Ever right?

In comment 16072665 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 16072630 Chip said: Quote: Is there a true number one WR in this class. None of these guys are Chase from Cincinnati. Addison is good but not exceptional. JSN has been injured and has had hamstring problems. Zay Flowers is short and quick but in most years not a 1st round WR. Johnston is probably the best and would cost draft capitol to get him. Chase was the 3rd overall pick. There are plenty of #1 WR's taken late in round 1 or after. I went back just 10 years and here are some of them: Deandre Hopkins 27th overall Keenan Allen 3rd round Davante Adams 2nd round Allen Robinson 2nd round Jarvis Landry 2nd round Stefon Diggs 5th round Michael Thomas 2nd round Tyreek Hill 5th round Curtis Samuel 2nd round Juju Smith-Schuster 2nd round Cooper Kupp 3rd round Chris Godwin 3rd round Kenny Golladay 3rd round DJ Moore 24th overall Calvin Ridley 26th overall Courtland Sutton 2nd round Christian Kirk 2nd round DJ Chark 2nd round Michael Gallup 3rd round Deebo Samuel 2nd round AJ Brown 2nd round DK Metcalf 2nd round Parris Campbell 2nd round Diontae Johnson 3rd round Terry McLaurin 3rd round Hunter Renfrow 5th round Brandon Aiyuk 25th overall Tee Higgins 2nd round Michael Pittman 2nd round Chase Claypool 2nd round Gabriel Davis 4th round Darnell Mooney 5th round Isaiah Hodgins 6th round Elijah Moore 2nd round Amon-Ra St. Brown 4th round George Pickens 2nd round Wan'Dale Robinson 2nd round Christian Watson 2nd round

Exactly! Now let’s get an offensive lineman in the 1st, and WR in the 2nd.

In comment 16072915 noro9 said:

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Ever right?

Yes.

Any other stupid, unnecessary questions?

I watched him a couple of times and he did not impress me.
Rather have Downs from UNC than Flowers.

I just think the constant wr talk there is lazy. You don’t draft one specific positional need and wr isn’t even the biggest need on the team anyway. It’s just tiresome to hear at this point.

this year are as good as Marvin Harrison. He will be a top 10 pick next year. I love him as a player.

In comment 16073322 3rdnlong said:

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this year are as good as Marvin Harrison. He will be a top 10 pick next year. I love him as a player.

Agreed. However there are a few extremely nuanced and high level route runners that seperate quickly which is what JS/Daboll value most.

is my comparison.