On the latest Giants Insider podcast, Bisignano mentioned he reached out to someone after they re-signed Slayton. Apparently the Giants felt he was getting open deep but they couldn’t get him the ball due to poor pass blocking.
He’s had over 700 yards receiving and averaged over 15 YPR in 3 of 4 seasons. He also had 8 TD’s his rookie year.
There’s upside with Slayton and he’s honestly a bargain. $6M AAV is nothing in the receiver market nowadays. If you look at the depth chart he is likely going to be the #3 guy (assuming they draft a receiver high). I can think of much worse WR options in the 3-4 depth chart range.
For a 5th rounder, we could do worse than Darius. That said...some of his drops were killers. The one in the WFT game that ended up in a tie & that drop vs. the Vikes in the WC game...if we had lost that game, oh man.
To remedy that?! I see no improvement on the Oline?!? Smh..
They drafted three lineman last year. All three suffered injuries, one before the season even got rolling (McKethan).
Neal was a top 10 pick. We have to hope he makes the same second year leap that Thomas did. Ezeudu will have every opportunity to lock down the LG position. Glowinski likely starts at RG again with Lemieux and McKethan competing. The only position that really needs to be addressed at this stage is Center. They have Bredeson at the moment, but this is a draft with a lot of solid Center prospects so I’m sure we will be taking one of them.
The line situation isn’t as dire as some make it out to be. When you draft players you have to give them a chance to play and see what you have. If Neal realizes his potential this year the Giants could have the best tandem of tackles in the league.
Can’t he just be one of the speed guys who can stretch the defense and unclog the box? Of course he is aware of what he needs to work on, and he seems like the type of guy that will put in the reps to fix the drops, route running, etc. He sounds totally psyched to be back, and will go to war for his QB.
To remedy that?! I see no improvement on the Oline?!? Smh..
I couldn't agree more. & the season starts tomorrow too! Joe & Dabs asleep @ the wheel per usual.
Haha, the lack of patience is priceless. And as if there aren’t enough OL threads the same tired posts by the same few posters need to be made on all the others regarding WRs, CBs, Dlinemen and LBs. Tunnel vision.
RE: Why does he have to be labeled as a 1, 2 or 3?
Can’t he just be one of the speed guys who can stretch the defense and unclog the box? Of course he is aware of what he needs to work on, and he seems like the type of guy that will put in the reps to fix the drops, route running, etc. He sounds totally psyched to be back, and will go to war for his QB.
People are obsessed with labeling receivers a 1, 2, or 3.
I don’t think there are 60 receivers better than Slayton in the NFL - so that makes him an average to low end #2. But never mind the label, Slayton is a proficient player who made big plays and was the Giants top option last year. He’s fast and he can win downfield. He struggles with occasional drops but also makes acrobatic catches look routine sometimes. All that said, ge’s a good piece and glad he is back.
RE: RE: Why does he have to be labeled as a 1, 2 or 3?
Can’t he just be one of the speed guys who can stretch the defense and unclog the box? Of course he is aware of what he needs to work on, and he seems like the type of guy that will put in the reps to fix the drops, route running, etc. He sounds totally psyched to be back, and will go to war for his QB.
People are obsessed with labeling receivers a 1, 2, or 3.
I don’t think there are 60 receivers better than Slayton in the NFL - so that makes him an average to low end #2. But never mind the label, Slayton is a proficient player who made big plays and was the Giants top option last year. He’s fast and he can win downfield. He struggles with occasional drops but also makes acrobatic catches look routine sometimes. All that said, ge’s a good piece and glad he is back.
Agreed, and affordable for a player with 4 years of experience.
There’s about 50 receivers in the league you can make the argument are better than Slayton - and that counted guys like Treylon Burks, Jameson Williams, and Alec Pierce who will probably end up being better - but haven’t provided much yet.
Also included older guys like Woods, Cooks, Thielen, and Michael Thomas who haven’t produced in the last couple of years; and guys like Smith-Schuster, Mooney, Zay Jones, Lazard, and Renfrow who I could argue Slayton is better than.
So I removed my bias and still found Slayton to be a mid caliber #2 - somewhere around 45-50 overall.
Not sure where people get their #1, #2, #3 labels from; but this would seem to make the most sense…
He does have potential. He drops a lot of passes too so it’s a frustrating player in the worst of times. Hope he rebounds and makes some big plays this year
The addition of new names but from the internal growth of two second year players. It’s not a lock obviously, but Neal and EZ are two critical draft picks from a year ago that can have a huge impact on the offense in 2023.
So to me, the line certainly can be significantly better than it was a year ago…without adding a single player. Those two play the way the team believes they can, the line is dramatically better right there.
Darius Slayton seem like a good person, player and teamate
but he double catches a lot. It would be great if you could snatch the ball better. I am pretty sure I heard that before his breakout game against Green Bay he was hitting the jugs machine. More of that type of prep would might get him over the hump.
Well, they must feel that our Center can be filled by
no one was good on the OL. All were poor to below average in pass blocking. On top of the sacks and pressures, the ball had to be dumped off quickly most of the time. Yeah, you hope some of these guys can improve, but you can't count on any of them being good. They need to add one stud and one solid pass blocker to the OL. They have lots of depth but not starting caliber.
To remedy that?! I see no improvement on the Oline?!? Smh..
They drafted three lineman last year. All three suffered injuries, one before the season even got rolling (McKethan).
Neal was a top 10 pick. We have to hope he makes the same second year leap that Thomas did. Ezeudu will have every opportunity to lock down the LG position. Glowinski likely starts at RG again with Lemieux and McKethan competing. The only position that really needs to be addressed at this stage is Center. They have Bredeson at the moment, but this is a draft with a lot of solid Center prospects so I’m sure we will be taking one of them.
The line situation isn’t as dire as some make it out to be. When you draft players you have to give them a chance to play and see what you have. If Neal realizes his potential this year the Giants could have the best tandem of tackles in the league.
Some people act like we should just forget about the 3 OL we drafted last year bc they were injured &/or not great as rookies and draft 3 more this year. Screw that development thing. As Archie Bunker used to say, "Patience is a virgin".
The Giants have spent the off-season mostly keeping the band together — re-signing quarterback Daniel Jones and running back Saquon Barkley drew most of the attention, along with taking a flyer on oft-injured tight end Darren Waller in a trade with the Raiders. But those weren’t the moves that caught ESPN insiders’ eyes.
Instead, they’ve singled out a two-year, $12 million deal to bring back WR Darius Slayton ($16.5 million max value) and graded it a B+, while also encouraging the Giants to go after another wide receiver in the first round of the draft
He’s had over 700 yards receiving and averaged over 15 YPR in 3 of 4 seasons. He also had 8 TD’s his rookie year.
There’s upside with Slayton and he’s honestly a bargain. $6M AAV is nothing in the receiver market nowadays. If you look at the depth chart he is likely going to be the #3 guy (assuming they draft a receiver high). I can think of much worse WR options in the 3-4 depth chart range.
This. He's being paid like a 4th WR. Some pretty astute posters look like he took a. Dump in their porch. Daboll and Schoen are awesome but now they wasted 6 million and are dumb?
RE: Why does he have to be labeled as a 1, 2 or 3?
Can’t he just be one of the speed guys who can stretch the defense and unclog the box? Of course he is aware of what he needs to work on, and he seems like the type of guy that will put in the reps to fix the drops, route running, etc. He sounds totally psyched to be back, and will go to war for his QB.
Great post, I suspect the Giants feel the same way on this.
Schoen has said over and over for those listening, the Giants are prioritizing guys who can play inside & outside. Also guys who can separate.
The more your WR's move around the harder it is to identify what your offense will be doing. You hide tendencies better.
When he is thrown a dart straight to numbers he looks downfield before securing the ball. When all hell is breaking lose, and he has no time to think he does well
Slayton's 9.9 percent drop rate last year differs from Chase's 8.2 percent by less than 1.5 drops. Given the variance on small numbers, not clear if that is statistically meaningful. There catch percentages were 64.8i and 64.9 percent.
Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Slayton's 9.9 percent drop rate last year differs from Chase's 8.2 percent by less than 1.5 drops. Given the variance on small numbers, not clear if that is statistically meaningful. There catch percentages were 64.8i and 64.9 percent.
Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Mike, where do you find the Separation stats? I bet you’re right about it being a high priority for our offense. I remember reading that Wan’Dale led the NCAA (or was second)at Kentucky, and why Schoene and Daboll zeroed in on him.
Surprisingly (to me, since I remember a couple really bad drops) Richie James had the highest catch percentage in the league at 81.43 of his targets. Hodgins, at over 77% was also in the top 10.
Slayton's 9.9 percent drop rate last year differs from Chase's 8.2 percent by less than 1.5 drops. Given the variance on small numbers, not clear if that is statistically meaningful. There catch percentages were 64.8i and 64.9 percent.
Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Interesting stats...do they factor in the playoff game?
Also, I think the smaller sample size reflects poorly on Slayton. It's speculation but I think the more he would have been targeted, the more he would have dropped. A lot of his catches just aren't clean. He bobbles and body catches way too much. That being said...I like him and I'm happy he's back. I hope he continues to improve.
I definitely see one of the top centers coming our way on day 2 of the draft..
tealeaves!
There’s upside with Slayton and he’s honestly a bargain. $6M AAV is nothing in the receiver market nowadays. If you look at the depth chart he is likely going to be the #3 guy (assuming they draft a receiver high). I can think of much worse WR options in the 3-4 depth chart range.
I couldn't agree more. & the season starts tomorrow too! Joe & Dabs asleep @ the wheel per usual.
They drafted three lineman last year. All three suffered injuries, one before the season even got rolling (McKethan).
Neal was a top 10 pick. We have to hope he makes the same second year leap that Thomas did. Ezeudu will have every opportunity to lock down the LG position. Glowinski likely starts at RG again with Lemieux and McKethan competing. The only position that really needs to be addressed at this stage is Center. They have Bredeson at the moment, but this is a draft with a lot of solid Center prospects so I’m sure we will be taking one of them.
The line situation isn’t as dire as some make it out to be. When you draft players you have to give them a chance to play and see what you have. If Neal realizes his potential this year the Giants could have the best tandem of tackles in the league.
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To remedy that?! I see no improvement on the Oline?!? Smh..
I couldn't agree more. & the season starts tomorrow too! Joe & Dabs asleep @ the wheel per usual.
Haha, the lack of patience is priceless. And as if there aren’t enough OL threads the same tired posts by the same few posters need to be made on all the others regarding WRs, CBs, Dlinemen and LBs. Tunnel vision.
People are obsessed with labeling receivers a 1, 2, or 3.
I don’t think there are 60 receivers better than Slayton in the NFL - so that makes him an average to low end #2. But never mind the label, Slayton is a proficient player who made big plays and was the Giants top option last year. He’s fast and he can win downfield. He struggles with occasional drops but also makes acrobatic catches look routine sometimes. All that said, ge’s a good piece and glad he is back.
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Can’t he just be one of the speed guys who can stretch the defense and unclog the box? Of course he is aware of what he needs to work on, and he seems like the type of guy that will put in the reps to fix the drops, route running, etc. He sounds totally psyched to be back, and will go to war for his QB.
People are obsessed with labeling receivers a 1, 2, or 3.
I don’t think there are 60 receivers better than Slayton in the NFL - so that makes him an average to low end #2. But never mind the label, Slayton is a proficient player who made big plays and was the Giants top option last year. He’s fast and he can win downfield. He struggles with occasional drops but also makes acrobatic catches look routine sometimes. All that said, ge’s a good piece and glad he is back.
Agreed, and affordable for a player with 4 years of experience.
Also included older guys like Woods, Cooks, Thielen, and Michael Thomas who haven’t produced in the last couple of years; and guys like Smith-Schuster, Mooney, Zay Jones, Lazard, and Renfrow who I could argue Slayton is better than.
So I removed my bias and still found Slayton to be a mid caliber #2 - somewhere around 45-50 overall.
Not sure where people get their #1, #2, #3 labels from; but this would seem to make the most sense…
So to me, the line certainly can be significantly better than it was a year ago…without adding a single player. Those two play the way the team believes they can, the line is dramatically better right there.
Ezeudu is healthy again…
Bredeson has promise….
We won’t have Feliciano around to criticize this year…..
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To remedy that?! I see no improvement on the Oline?!? Smh..
They drafted three lineman last year. All three suffered injuries, one before the season even got rolling (McKethan).
Neal was a top 10 pick. We have to hope he makes the same second year leap that Thomas did. Ezeudu will have every opportunity to lock down the LG position. Glowinski likely starts at RG again with Lemieux and McKethan competing. The only position that really needs to be addressed at this stage is Center. They have Bredeson at the moment, but this is a draft with a lot of solid Center prospects so I’m sure we will be taking one of them.
The line situation isn’t as dire as some make it out to be. When you draft players you have to give them a chance to play and see what you have. If Neal realizes his potential this year the Giants could have the best tandem of tackles in the league.
Some people act like we should just forget about the 3 OL we drafted last year bc they were injured &/or not great as rookies and draft 3 more this year. Screw that development thing. As Archie Bunker used to say, "Patience is a virgin".
I definitely see one of the top centers coming our way on day 2 of the draft..
tealeaves!
I m in agreement. I see allowing Gates and then Feliciano to leave as confirmation that they knew they had to get better here and this was step one.
Status quo on the IOL was not the right move
Instead, they’ve singled out a two-year, $12 million deal to bring back WR Darius Slayton ($16.5 million max value) and graded it a B+, while also encouraging the Giants to go after another wide receiver in the first round of the draft
There’s upside with Slayton and he’s honestly a bargain. $6M AAV is nothing in the receiver market nowadays. If you look at the depth chart he is likely going to be the #3 guy (assuming they draft a receiver high). I can think of much worse WR options in the 3-4 depth chart range.
This. He's being paid like a 4th WR. Some pretty astute posters look like he took a. Dump in their porch. Daboll and Schoen are awesome but now they wasted 6 million and are dumb?
Great post, I suspect the Giants feel the same way on this.
Schoen has said over and over for those listening, the Giants are prioritizing guys who can play inside & outside. Also guys who can separate.
The more your WR's move around the harder it is to identify what your offense will be doing. You hide tendencies better.
Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Mike, where do you find the Separation stats? I bet you’re right about it being a high priority for our offense. I remember reading that Wan’Dale led the NCAA (or was second)at Kentucky, and why Schoene and Daboll zeroed in on him.
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Slayton's hands aren't great, but they aren't terrible either. Chase, however, was targeted twice as much. Which probably partly reflects Slayton being buried on the depth chart and the different ways they are used.
(I thought it might be that Chase gets open more, but their average separation are 2.5 and 2.6 yards, so no significant difference there. Parris Campbell averages 3.5 yards of separation, which may explain one reason we went for him.)
Interesting stats...do they factor in the playoff game?
Also, I think the smaller sample size reflects poorly on Slayton. It's speculation but I think the more he would have been targeted, the more he would have dropped. A lot of his catches just aren't clean. He bobbles and body catches way too much. That being said...I like him and I'm happy he's back. I hope he continues to improve.