What do Hunter Renfro, Allen Robinson, Randall Cobb, Nelson Agholor, DJ Chark Jr, Marquise Goodwin, Mecole Hardman, Jarvis Landry and Van Jefferson have in common?
They all had less receptions than Darrius Slayton.
And what do Jamar Chase, Travis Kelse, Stephon Diggs, Saquon Barkley, Amari Cooper, Jalyn Waddle, Brandon Cooks, Mike Evans, Tee Higgins and Austin Eckler all have in common?
They all dropped more or equal number of passes as Darrius Slayton. Let's stop defining Slayton by his drops. It's completely unfair.
Jamar had dolled 7.5% of his targets and Slayton close to 10%.
How many targets?'
I too, can cherry pick my stats to support my POV.
It’s not even the drops or hands as much as he’s just not that kind of wr that high points and plucks the ball like some of the greats. That said he’s still a viable player for nyg.
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And what do Jamar Chase, Travis Kelse, Stephon Diggs, Saquon Barkley, Amari Cooper, Jalyn Waddle, Brandon Cooks, Mike Evans, Tee Higgins and Austin Eckler all have in common?
How many targets?'
I too, can cherry pick my stats to support my POV.
Was going to make the same post. Those guys had way more targets than Slayton.
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And what do Jamar Chase, Travis Kelse, Stephon Diggs, Saquon Barkley, Amari Cooper, Jalyn Waddle, Brandon Cooks, Mike Evans, Tee Higgins and Austin Eckler all have in common?
How many targets?'
I too, can cherry pick my stats to support my POV.
LOL - I was thinking the same thing. Dropping 3 passes out of 6 total passes is not the same as dropping 4 passes out of 1,000 targets.
I don't think stats are your game.
Hunter Renfrow played a little more than half the snaps that Slayton did last year.
I mean, you got guys that spent a lot of the year hurt and/or sucks or both and it's supposed to be an achievement that Slayton had more production than them?
Agholor sucks, btw. And it's not noteworthy or an accomplishment to have more yards or catches than any of those guys, but at least pick players that played roughly close to the same playing time.
2. Daboll/Kafka/Schoen are prioritizing speed (see the Parris Campbell signing)
3. Slayton is in his prime, does not have obvious health issues and knows the offense.
Let’s get over it. We need(ed) WRs and he was their choice at that contract.
That's the number of targets respectively for Jamarr Chase, Amari Cooper and Slayton. That's why drop% is more telling and Slayton had one of the worst (10%) of any WR with 60+ targets.
I'm rooting for him, but let's not pretend that number of targets doesn't matter when it comes to drops.
And as far as receptions, if you put some other teams #2 or #3 WR on the '22 Giants, there's a very good chance they would be our #1 and therefore have more targets and receptions than they had on their current team.
Your argument should be that Slayton's play compares favorably to other receivers who were acquired with similar resources (5th round pick and his most recent signing). It does.
Nah, wouldn't be fair for us. Maybe they should throw in a first rounder too.
Just wanted to clear that up..:)
In his rookie year, his drop% was a very good 2.4% (2 drops on 84 targets). Then it rose to 6.3% his 2nd yr and has been very bad at around 10% the last 2 yrs.
What happened to his hands? Is it a concentration thing? Can he get back to near his rookie yr drop%?
Hopefully the coaching staff can help him, like TC helped Tiki with fumbles.
+1
He seems like a guy who knows what he needs to improve and willing to put in the work. The Giants seem to think so. We shall see.
If drops falls to average, which means 3-4 balls over a season, he's a fine chess piece.
Ok let's take it easy.
I have a suspicion that the OP is very young. If that's the case, OP is starting to learn the game at a deeper level, and that's fine.
OP, you don't have to say anything, but if I'm right about you, don't worry about this one. You'll eventually learn about considering all the relevant data together, to (hopefully) avoid faulty conclusions. But this is a learned skill, so do not take it personally. Just try to think about what other factors might be meaningful or relevant to the point you're trying to make, is there data to quantify those factors, and try to check your biases at the door.
You'll get there.
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
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about lying with statistics. What a dumb fucking post.
Ok let's take it easy.
I have a suspicion that the OP is very young. If that's the case, OP is starting to learn the game at a deeper level, and that's fine.
OP, you don't have to say anything, but if I'm right about you, don't worry about this one. You'll eventually learn about considering all the relevant data together, to (hopefully) avoid faulty conclusions. But this is a learned skill, so do not take it personally. Just try to think about what other factors might be meaningful or relevant to the point you're trying to make, is there data to quantify those factors, and try to check your biases at the door.
You'll get there.
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
Jim’s on a roll today..😂
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
I agree allstar. I initially started to respond in a pretty snarky way, but reconsidered and removed the slight insult. I try to remember the golden rule even online (which it seems a lot of people are unfamiliar with these days).
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about lying with statistics. What a dumb fucking post.
Ok let's take it easy.
I have a suspicion that the OP is very young. If that's the case, OP is starting to learn the game at a deeper level, and that's fine.
OP, you don't have to say anything, but if I'm right about you, don't worry about this one. You'll eventually learn about considering all the relevant data together, to (hopefully) avoid faulty conclusions. But this is a learned skill, so do not take it personally. Just try to think about what other factors might be meaningful or relevant to the point you're trying to make, is there data to quantify those factors, and try to check your biases at the door.
You'll get there.
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
Jim’s on a roll today..😂
I was being sincere! I genuinely think the OP might be in like, middle school maybe? Or could even be a high schooler...either way, if OP is not a kid, there's still nothing wrong with a little more civility!
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Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
I agree allstar. I initially started to respond in a pretty snarky way, but reconsidered and removed the slight insult. I try to remember the golden rule even online (which it seems a lot of people are unfamiliar with these days).
The Golden Rule...something we should all live by. That anonymity of online written communication...it really does seem to leave out the deference we typically give in face-to-face communication. I wonder if people just relish not having to conform to societal niceties online. Perhaps, we really like to just let loose all the things we wish sometimes we could say out in the world but it would be rude, or perhaps dangerous to do so.
Heck, I've enjoyed a good flame war in my day, but in the end, I don't feel great about it.
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about lying with statistics. What a dumb fucking post.
Ok let's take it easy.
I have a suspicion that the OP is very young. If that's the case, OP is starting to learn the game at a deeper level, and that's fine.
OP, you don't have to say anything, but if I'm right about you, don't worry about this one. You'll eventually learn about considering all the relevant data together, to (hopefully) avoid faulty conclusions. But this is a learned skill, so do not take it personally. Just try to think about what other factors might be meaningful or relevant to the point you're trying to make, is there data to quantify those factors, and try to check your biases at the door.
You'll get there.
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
Jim’s on a roll today..😂
I was being sincere! I genuinely think the OP might be in like, middle school maybe? Or could even be a high schooler...either way, if OP is not a kid, there's still nothing wrong with a little more civility!
Understood. Just playing, buddy.
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about lying with statistics. What a dumb fucking post.
Ok let's take it easy.
I have a suspicion that the OP is very young. If that's the case, OP is starting to learn the game at a deeper level, and that's fine.
OP, you don't have to say anything, but if I'm right about you, don't worry about this one. You'll eventually learn about considering all the relevant data together, to (hopefully) avoid faulty conclusions. But this is a learned skill, so do not take it personally. Just try to think about what other factors might be meaningful or relevant to the point you're trying to make, is there data to quantify those factors, and try to check your biases at the door.
You'll get there.
Guys, we can forget sometimes that the poster might be a kid, particularly when they recently joined the forum. Keep that in mind when you're responding.
Jim’s on a roll today..😂
I was being sincere! I genuinely think the OP might be in like, middle school maybe? Or could even be a high schooler...either way, if OP is not a kid, there's still nothing wrong with a little more civility!
Understood. Just playing, buddy.
All good!
i remember plenty being said about obj during/after the gb wild card game.
The Giants' top playmaker had nine drops on the first 381 targets of his career. He had six on his final 82 targets this past season. That is a drop every 14 passes thrown in his direction compared to one every 42 over the first two and a half years of his career, leaving one to wonder what contributed to this sudden curious case of drops.
slayton dropped 1 ball for every 10 thrown his way this year and last, including 2 on 8 targets vs minnesota, so if anything maybe everyone was a little hard on beckham.
A look at Odell Beckham Jr.'s curious case of drops - ( New Window )
Yes, and we need to stop defining the guy by his 5 bad plays. I simply don't understand it.
Go F0ck yourself
This is also a cherry picked stat. The more a guy plays and is involved in plays, usually the better they get, Running backs need reps and so do receivers. Do you believe if he had 90 receptions had have more than double the drops? I 100% don't...
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Slayton’s drop % was 9.9. That’s the 11th worst in the league. So, if you want fair, this is what’s fair.
This is also a cherry picked stat. The more a guy plays and is involved in plays, usually the better they get, Running backs need reps and so do receivers. Do you believe if he had 90 receptions had have more than double the drops? I 100% don't...
It's a relevant stat. I think Slayton is who he has shown himself to be during his time in the NFL. Not great hands/ball skills for the position, average receiver/route runner, with great speed. It's been 4 years, the time for projection has passed.
Yes, we do. We saw what Daboll did with his talent the way he raised Josh Allen’s game (not comparing QBs with each other)..DJ is a good QB who hopefully ascends further with better toys..
Slayton is who he is..
What a stupid fucking post
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The WRs aren't great but they have been unnecessarily slagged here to boost up Daniel Jones.
What a stupid fucking post
What awful language by a grown man. But it's true. You need the WRs to be garbage in order to justify Jones' pedestrian numbers. You're angry because it's true.
Is that someone you brave Jones boosters had banned for hurting your feelings?
I think if you've seen my posts on DJ for the last 6 months or more, you'd know my answer to that question, which absolutely would be consistent.
That said, if there is a case to be made for a late bloomer, it would be at the QB position, which is a for more mentally demanding position to learn. I don't think you can fairly say the learning curve for NFL QB and NFL WR is at all even close to the same.
Hmmm, there are some of us who are down on both receivers and DJ.
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My guess is Debaser. lol
Is that someone you brave Jones boosters had banned for hurting your feelings?
lol
He's a low end 2, mid range 3.