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NFT: Teeth / Gum Issues - Paging anyone who can help

ImThatGuy : 3/23/2023 10:45 am
I'm a diligent flosser/brusher but father-time and genetics are catching up with me. I've got gum issues (deep pockets/bone loss) and require an operation.

Option 1 - Pocket Reduction Surgery (osseous surgery). Done in 4 parts, open up, clean in there and close up

Option 2 - LANAP (aka laser procedure). Done in 2 consecutive days, similar purpose as above but less invasive

Has anyone had either and can they comment on experience? It did seem like the periodontist was more trying to sell the laser - like literally it was a sales pitch "I can give you a good price" (laser is more expensive but not that significant). Going 4 times and the recovery each time seems like a PITA. Plus I've heard teeth can shift and sensitivity can linger.

Would welcome any feedback - thanks in advance
Are you on High Blood Pressure Pills?  
mvftw : 3/23/2023 11:25 am : link
If so that may be it...
Has he talked to you at all about  
Bill in UT : 3/23/2023 11:29 am : link
bone grafting- osseous regeneration? How many quadrants/sextants are involved and they all in basically the same shape? It may not be a one cure fits all situation.
I had the LANAP done about 2 years ago  
Mayhap : 3/23/2023 11:30 am : link
They did it all at once, not spread over 2 days. Procedure was easy (with sedation), and the recovery was mostly painless, just required a liquid diet for a few days (anything you can put in a blender), and then avoiding hard foods for a few weeks. It significantly reduced the pockets and improved gum health, but recently they found that the pockets were increasing on two molars and they want to redo the procedure for those.

My father had the osseous surgery done and he said the recovery was the worst pain he'd been through. But that was 30+ years ago, so maybe it's better now.
RE: Has he talked to you at all about  
Earl the goat : 3/23/2023 11:53 am : link
In comment 16073476 Bill in UT said:
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bone grafting- osseous regeneration? How many quadrants/sextants are involved and they all in basically the same shape? It may not be a one cure fits all situation.



Bill. Are you a dentist ? I’m assuming you are. So am I. You gave me some great recs for the big 5. Thx
RE: Has he talked to you at all about  
ImThatGuy : 3/23/2023 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16073476 Bill in UT said:
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bone grafting- osseous regeneration? How many quadrants/sextants are involved and they all in basically the same shape? It may not be a one cure fits all situation.


Bone grafting was mentioned in passing but didn't seem to indicate that I was a candidate. I will press on this. Thanks

All 4 quadrants are involved and it pretty similar in the backs at all quadrants
Hey Guy...  
mvftw : 3/23/2023 12:48 pm : link
You didn't answer my question...
All that meth  
pjcas18 : 3/23/2023 2:14 pm : link
takes a toll on the choppers.

RE: Are you on High Blood Pressure Pills?  
ImThatGuy : 3/23/2023 3:47 pm : link
In comment 16073467 mvftw said:
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If so that may be it...


Wasn't sure if joke or not, and no meds here
RE: All that meth  
ImThatGuy : 3/23/2023 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16073770 pjcas18 said:
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takes a toll on the choppers.



Eewwwww
RE: RE: Are you on High Blood Pressure Pills?  
mvftw : 3/23/2023 4:10 pm : link
In comment 16073896 ImThatGuy said:
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In comment 16073467 mvftw said:


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If so that may be it...



Wasn't sure if joke or not, and no meds here


No Joke.
I had the same issues as you. I would floss, water pik, brush. Gum would bleed and deep pockets. It turned out that my HBP pills I took causes swollen gums. Changed my pills and gums are great!
RE: RE: Has he talked to you at all about  
Bill in UT : 3/23/2023 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16073511 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 16073476 Bill in UT said:


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bone grafting- osseous regeneration? How many quadrants/sextants are involved and they all in basically the same shape? It may not be a one cure fits all situation.




Bill. Are you a dentist ? I’m assuming you are. So am I. You gave me some great recs for the big 5. Thx

yeah, Earl. Retired 8 years
Back in the old days  
Bill in UT : 3/23/2023 4:54 pm : link
there were no regenerative techniques so all that was available was reducing pocket depth by subtraction of both gum and bone tissue. Almost always, to get to the best result, you had to sacrifice some good bone along the way. And if the pockets were deep you end up with long, ugly teeth and sensitive roots. I don't have a lot of experience with lasers, but I know they're good for some soft tissue removal instead of a scalpel, disinfecting shallow to moderate pockets and cleaning calculus off teeth. I could be wrong, but I don't think they're that useful for deep pockets, probably the 4mm range and more. Do you have knowledge of your pocket charting? What about mobility, loose teeth? These days there's a lot more bone formation techniques being used. Sometimes, if the pockets are severe only around 1-2 teeth in a quadrant, it could be better to get an extraction, bone graft and implant.
RE: Back in the old days  
ImThatGuy : 3/23/2023 7:35 pm : link
In comment 16073975 Bill in UT said:
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there were no regenerative techniques so all that was available was reducing pocket depth by subtraction of both gum and bone tissue. Almost always, to get to the best result, you had to sacrifice some good bone along the way. And if the pockets were deep you end up with long, ugly teeth and sensitive roots. I don't have a lot of experience with lasers, but I know they're good for some soft tissue removal instead of a scalpel, disinfecting shallow to moderate pockets and cleaning calculus off teeth. I could be wrong, but I don't think they're that useful for deep pockets, probably the 4mm range and more. Do you have knowledge of your pocket charting? What about mobility, loose teeth? These days there's a lot more bone formation techniques being used. Sometimes, if the pockets are severe only around 1-2 teeth in a quadrant, it could be better to get an extraction, bone graft and implant.


Thanks some 5-6s but there were one or 2 8-9s. Front teeth are good and it's all mainly in the back. I'm 40 yrs old and (knock wood) no loose teeth
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Bill in UT : 3/23/2023 9:05 pm : link
In comment 16074090 ImThatGuy said:
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In comment 16073975 Bill in UT said:


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there were no regenerative techniques so all that was available was reducing pocket depth by subtraction of both gum and bone tissue. Almost always, to get to the best result, you had to sacrifice some good bone along the way. And if the pockets were deep you end up with long, ugly teeth and sensitive roots. I don't have a lot of experience with lasers, but I know they're good for some soft tissue removal instead of a scalpel, disinfecting shallow to moderate pockets and cleaning calculus off teeth. I could be wrong, but I don't think they're that useful for deep pockets, probably the 4mm range and more. Do you have knowledge of your pocket charting? What about mobility, loose teeth? These days there's a lot more bone formation techniques being used. Sometimes, if the pockets are severe only around 1-2 teeth in a quadrant, it could be better to get an extraction, bone graft and implant.



Thanks some 5-6s but there were one or 2 8-9s. Front teeth are good and it's all mainly in the back. I'm 40 yrs old and (knock wood) no loose teeth


Hopefully, someone can back me up, but in my experience you're not going to fix 8-9 mm defects with pocket elimination therapy. I would get those teeth out and look at bone grafts and implants. 5-6's are borderline, but if you do surgery for pocket reduction, you need to take some bone off the good adjacent teeth to level the plane, and I don't know if that's the way to go. And I don't see that you can fix anything above 5mm with lasers. If it was me, I'd consult another periodontist. I wouldn't be comfortable with the options you've been given. All that said, if you're homecare is good and you're having this kind of problem at 40, I've gotta think there's a genetic component that you're battling
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