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NFT: Dodging the Apocalypse? Solar Eruption...whew

shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 12:02 pm
Has any heard about this event that happened March 12th?

Pretty wild, but sounds like we are good for another century or so haha.


that would've left a mark - ( New Window )
Ha, wow  
widmerseyebrow : 3/23/2023 12:16 pm : link
I remember seeing something on Instagram from a pilot who recorded an aurora further south than they normally occur, but I didn't really think twice about it at the time.
there was real bad cell reception then  
Giantsfan79 : 3/23/2023 12:17 pm : link
and the customer service blamed it on the solar flare. I thought they were too opportunistic at the time.
besides  
Giantsfan79 : 3/23/2023 12:19 pm : link
a Super Volcano eruption is by far the most probable way humanity ends if it were to happen from a natural event.
RE: besides  
shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16073536 Giantsfan79 said:
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a Super Volcano eruption is by far the most probable way humanity ends if it were to happen from a natural event.


I’m 45, and as I get older I def appreciate every day more and more…. We aren’t promised tomorrow, so let’s be the best people we can be today. Love and hug on your loved ones… we never know…. Super Volcano 🌋 could be lurking 👀 🙏🏼😝
As a prepper  
jtfuoco : 3/23/2023 12:42 pm : link
This senerio is one of the few I think I could have survived since life can still go on without electricity the key is surviving the population of cities dispering into the countryside like locust all hungry and desperate. Glad to hear this threat might be pass now if we can just avoid nuclear war
living up to your handle  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2023 12:55 pm : link
are you?
RE: As a prepper  
allstarjim : 3/23/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16073553 jtfuoco said:
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This senerio is one of the few I think I could have survived since life can still go on without electricity the key is surviving the population of cities dispering into the countryside like locust all hungry and desperate. Glad to hear this threat might be pass now if we can just avoid nuclear war


There are people that only drive old cars with no computers for this reason. They would be in high demand in this scenario.
The way we've been going as a civilization lately  
Danny Kanell : 3/23/2023 1:06 pm : link
I'm mildly surprised we dodged this.
As  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 1:12 pm : link
the article stated, this CME would have been much worse than the Carrington Event of 1859, and likely would have destroyed most electronics. Some military systems are hardened against the EMPs (electromagnetic pluses) caused by CMEs, but conventional electronics are not. Power stations would be overloaded by the EMPs and nuclear power plants would melt down after going offline.

Older cars without electronics would only last as long as they had gas. There would be no way to fill them up again since you need electricity to pump gas at gas stations.

The Yellowstone Caldera (super volcano) won't erupt for a long time. The bigger concern is a massive earthquake in California, which is long overdue.
This  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 1:16 pm : link
is a pretty good explanation of the dangers of a massive CME.

Solar Flare (CME) Destroys Civilization - ( New Window )
RE: As a prepper  
DC Gmen Fan : 3/23/2023 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16073553 jtfuoco said:
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the key is surviving the population of cities dispering into the countryside like locust all hungry and desperate.


This IMHO is the biggest reason for protecting the 2nd amendment.
RE: RE: As a prepper  
DC Gmen Fan : 3/23/2023 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16073651 DC Gmen Fan said:
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In comment 16073553 jtfuoco said:


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the key is surviving the population of cities dispering into the countryside like locust all hungry and desperate.



This IMHO is the biggest reason for protecting the 2nd amendment.



You can have all the food/gas/supplies stored and prepped but without a way to defend it you're cooked!
Most  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 1:23 pm : link
people in the cities would die long before they could get to the country. Remember that cars and other motorized vehicles would be useless, so that means walking while carrying possessions. Most people are couch potatoes. Obesity is rampant in the U.S. They vast majority won't get far. Their first inclination will also be to raid supermarkets, mini marts, and any other place that might have food. They will be fighting amongst themselves for those supplies and to protect what they already have. Others will die because of a lack of medical care. The few stragglers who get to the country looking for someone with food won't have any strength and won't know where to look anyway.
When a big ass solar flare  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/23/2023 1:26 pm : link
blasts the earth I think its called the Carrington Effect. One hit earth in 1859 and there were numerous reports that it was like daylight in the middle of the night and electronic equipment even ran without batteries, which sounds pretty bizarre.

Purportedly if it would hit nowadays it would fry a lot of our electronic equipment.
Not just pumping gas  
widmerseyebrow : 3/23/2023 1:27 pm : link
A Carrington type event would cripple our capacity to make it.

I've been reading The End of the World is Just the Beginning by Peter Zeihan, and while you may or may not agree with his thesis about the end globalization drawing nearer, it does a great job of outlining how fragile and specialized industrial and manufacturing processes are today since globalization has made it "safe" since WWII. Relatively minor disruptions could cause catastrophic failures for entire nations to receive critical materials, resources, and products.

Most  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 1:28 pm : link
preppers likely wouldn't last very long either. They would eventually run out of food and ammunition as well, and of course, also have no access to medical care since none would be available. I'd give the greatest chance of survival to those who could someone get to a coastal location because the sea provides a readily available food source.

But with nuclear power plants melting down and refineries exploding after going off line, the world would quickly become a toxic, radioactive, waste dump. There are eight billion people on the planet. I'm not sure a massive CME like the one that just passed would be an ELE (extinction level event), but over a hundred years or so, it would likely kill of more than 90% of the global population.
RE: RE: RE: As a prepper  
BamaBlue : 3/23/2023 1:30 pm : link
In comment 16073655 DC Gmen Fan said:

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You can have all the food/gas/supplies stored and prepped but without a way to defend it you're cooked!


This is sad, but very true. Society (and the rules of society) break-down when essential resources are scarce. Humans who don't have resources will resort to taking them by force. I had this discussion with a friend of mine not too long ago... the best hope for survival in the short term is to get as far away from population centers as possible.
RE: Not just pumping gas  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16073670 widmerseyebrow said:
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A Carrington type event would cripple our capacity to make it.

I've been reading The End of the World is Just the Beginning by Peter Zeihan, and while you may or may not agree with his thesis about the end globalization drawing nearer, it does a great job of outlining how fragile and specialized industrial and manufacturing processes are today since globalization has made it "safe" since WWII. Relatively minor disruptions could cause catastrophic failures for entire nations to receive critical materials, resources, and products.


This is true. Global networks are very fragile and easily disrupted. Chaos would quickly ensue. Millions would simply die of starvation as society collapsed back into a "Hobbesian" state of nature.

Some batteries might still be usable, along with ironically solar panels IIRC, but the "law of the jungle" would rule.
I’ve dived into the topic of catastrophism  
beatrixkiddo : 3/23/2023 1:39 pm : link
Over the past couple years. These massive CME’s happen a lot during solar maximum, we are also very lucky that the sun hasn’t fired off a high density one at us in quite awhile. It’s a very interesting topic, and if you factor in earths weakening magnetic field accelerating over the coming decade, I am sure the next solar maximum won’t even need a huge CME to completely send us back to the Stone Age.

There is a lot that isn’t really discussed about our Sun, it’s cycles in relation to triggering major earth catastrophes that have been geologically dated And reoccur every 12k years ( Gothenburg, Lake Mungo, Mono Lake, Laschamp). Guess the hope is that earths current geomagnetic excursion decelerates and we don’t have to live to see the end of the world during our lifetime, but who knows for sure. Lots of interesting stuff on this topic if you are into it. Chan Thomas’s “Adam and Eve Story” good place to start and Ben Davidson has done a ton of work on this topic which is quite interesting.
Re: Dodging the Apocalypse? Solar Eruption...whew  
Gforce11 : 3/23/2023 1:43 pm : link
This is one of the worst events that can happen to the "civilized" world besides the dinosaur killing asteroid hitting us.

Ironically, the countries/civilizations without all the technology may have better adaptability to this than us.

We also missed one back in 2012 I think...and we missed that by 9 days or something, so I have a feeling we are about due.
2012 CME event - ( New Window )
RE: When a big ass solar flare  
Sec 103 : 3/23/2023 2:03 pm : link
In comment 16073666 Spiciest Memelord said:
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blasts the earth I think its called the Carrington Effect. One hit earth in 1859 and there were numerous reports that it was like daylight in the middle of the night and electronic equipment even ran without batteries, which sounds pretty bizarre.

Purportedly if it would hit nowadays it would fry a lot of our electronic equipment.


Wait they had electronic equipment back in 1859? That's news to me, musta been time travelers...
RE: RE: When a big ass solar flare  
beatrixkiddo : 3/23/2023 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16073752 Sec 103 said:
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In comment 16073666 Spiciest Memelord said:


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blasts the earth I think its called the Carrington Effect. One hit earth in 1859 and there were numerous reports that it was like daylight in the middle of the night and electronic equipment even ran without batteries, which sounds pretty bizarre.

Purportedly if it would hit nowadays it would fry a lot of our electronic equipment.



Wait they had electronic equipment back in 1859? That's news to me, musta been time travelers...


Ha yeah they didn’t have batteries. There was telegraph though and there were all kinds of reports about telegraph machines exploding and telegraph lines, even ones that weren’t carrying conductive current melting. To imagine what this would do to an electronic centered society of today is pretty wild.
Acid  
jtfuoco : 3/23/2023 2:10 pm : link
A real pepper has already thought through the meltdown of nuclear power plants and as far as medical care it's no different then living in 1880 so infection and sickness will always be a threat. And life averages will drop for sure. As for the toxic world I don't know about that there are only 50 somthing nuclear power plants and I believe 95% are east of the Mississippi in the US you figure they would poison about 200 square miles with most the radiation moving east with wether patterns. So you would have some bands of high radiation that would have to be avoided not fun but doable
RE: Acid  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 2:27 pm : link
In comment 16073764 jtfuoco said:
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A real pepper has already thought through the meltdown of nuclear power plants and as far as medical care it's no different then living in 1880 so infection and sickness will always be a threat. And life averages will drop for sure. As for the toxic world I don't know about that there are only 50 somthing nuclear power plants and I believe 95% are east of the Mississippi in the US you figure they would poison about 200 square miles with most the radiation moving east with wether patterns. So you would have some bands of high radiation that would have to be avoided not fun but doable


There are about 439 nuclear power plants in the world. All would melt down in this scenario. The worst of the radiation would be localized to the plant, but with so many, a lot of it would also get into the atmosphere and travel around the world. Most of the problem isn't even with the fuel in the reactors. It's the spent fuel which has to cool down for more than a decade IIRC before it can be safely stored. Water powered by electricity keeps the fuel cool, but there would be no electricity in this situation.

Refineries would also explode and throw soot and chemicals into the air, ground, and water.

Preppers would definitely in the short term be more likely to survive, especially if they had prepared for the radiation and other toxins. But those supplies would run out pretty quickly.

A CME of the magnitude that just happened would likely cause so much environmental damage that it would take the plant 500,000 years or more to recover naturally. And by that time the Yellowstone Caldera would have erupted. We might also have been hit by a gamma ray burst from WR-104, although that admittedly seems less likely than it did a few years ago.

WR-104 - ( New Window )
 
shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 2:31 pm : link
I grew up in the mountains (I’m lucky to still own the family home w/ about 7 acres).

It’s in a family trust, but I take care of the costs and taxes so my parents can enjoy their golden years. God has blessed our family and I’m very grateful to be able to bless my folks, as I live a few hours away. My Dad busted his ass for 40 years for us, now it’s his turn to relax. My mom might never die…. She’s the most healthy person I know haha.

Also, luckily my parents paid off the home many years ago,so zero debt is involved with the property. Thank God for wise parents, they always paid everything possible in cash 💰

I guess we’ve been “accidental” preppers?

My folks have lived there for 44 years… we have a well, and water rights to a creek on the property. My Dad wants to be buried there…. I will definitely end my days on that property, hopefully 30+ years from now hahah.

Due to elk herds destroying the garden and fruit trees and basically anything you let them into, we placed an 8 ft heavy gauge wire fence with rail road tie posts 3 feet deep, .50 acre perimeter around the main home. (This was basically my entire junior year summer break. No machines involved… just my back hahah, but I digress…)
This fence can easily be electrified if needed, but we don’t need it for elk…. But if people became a problem, that would be a nice deterrent. We have the fenced “plumbed” for electric supported by small solar panels every 8 feet of perimeter. For now those just power the game cameras, but those cameras show people too, I guess haha. Not the purpose, but again… it’s set up ;)

My dad and I built an actual root seller in the mountainside directly behind the house. That was my senior year summer project. It’s wild to use natural things to your advantage… it’s always 60 degrees inside that seller… winter or summer.

We have several big boy dual fuel generator to back up the property’s electric system and a solar system I back that up with. But that’s not for the end of the world, but when it gets close to zero and shit stops working hahah. That’s why we have this system, but again… works out for collapse of society.

Did you know if you store things underground, in a cargo type storage container it would protect from solar flares? People do it to keep them safe, but also cool… for free… use the earth.

We have so many elk, deer and turkeys 🦃 that roost in the huge ponderosa pines behind the house. (It really weird to see a turkey fly up a tree by the way haha) We have fish in the creek, just brown trout but still good eating. To say there are natural resources would be…the point of living there. My 72 year old Dad still cuts down trees and process them… he’s a retired RN, but grew up on his grandparents farm in Kansas, so he grew up loving outdoor work, and helping people.

Not for end time reasons, but we’re mainly “off the grid” because of the remote nature of the property, obviously we don’t have most city services. Electric is all we use… the rest is powered by propane and/or wood fire stove.

We recently upgraded to split units (AC/heater), but when I grew up we only used wood 🪵 to heat the house…. I’ve stacked more wood in my youth than I ever want to remember “shudder”

Worst, we would cut down dead or diseased trees on the property every fall to cure for the next years winter. Pops and I had to process that “tree” into wood that would fit in the fireplace hahaha. I would joke with Dad that he was poisoning trees just so we could cut them… but it was a beetle that came through and killed many Pinon pines…. Sad, but we had to cut them down to prevent a lightning strike setting all our shit on fire 🔥.

We have fire breaks cut into the wood’s immediately around the main house…living in the middle of a tinder box can be pretty scary when it’s super dry.

I’m still there with my Dad as much as I can, and now my two boys are helping us… they are city kids but not afraid to get their hands dirty… I hope the same values transfer to them one day when they have families…

I thought I had it bad as a kid/young man having to bust my ass all the time…trust me I DID NOT want to do any of those projects haha.

But now, phew, am I grateful for it… plus my parents are both college grads and expected the same of us kids (I had 3 sisters to make it even harder with the chore details hahah)

We all have at least bachelors degree’s and lead good lives…but we all appreciate where we came from! It’s called perspective and I’m sure glad to have some.

As far as guns….We have black bear, mountain lion, and soon wolves will be back (Colorado is releasing some near Vail, what a horrible mistake. Stupid move but I digress)
If you’re outside in the middle of the woods, I’d highly recommend wearing a pistol on your hip…for the reasons above.
The bears aren’t aggressive unless you stumble upon a mama and cubs… but we know to look at the trees when hiking, if you see cubs up a tree….haul ass, cuz that means the mama smelled you awhile back and is ready for a fight.
Bears are avoidable… the ones that scare me are the dang mountain lions…scary animals and you’d be crazy not have a large gauge firearm on your hip…

But guns are for protection…and not against people out there hehe
We actually rarely use guns… to hunt we use our bows.

The most natural way to obtain the best meat you can eat (elk) and the exercise of scouting and actual hunting is good for you too. Hiking a few miles in the mountains makes you feel really lucky for that local Walmart or whatever hahaha. Especially when you don’t get anything for all that effort… but anyways, I’ve fully millered my own thread hahah

I guess that’s what they mean by a country boy will survive huh?

I encourage everyone to start a little garden or even just some hydroponic tomatoes haha, preferably outside if you can… or just go for a walk in the park or a quick afternoon hike. Sun plus elbow grease equals a long life… accidentally long rant…over ;)

I did hear about that event  
mattlawson : 3/23/2023 3:03 pm : link
but wow - what a website throwback that is!
Would only the half the world facing the Sun be hit by this?  
US1 Giants : 3/23/2023 3:14 pm : link
or the whole world? If it only hit one side of the world then the other side would probably impose their will on the devastated countries.
RE: RE: When a big ass solar flare  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/23/2023 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16073752 Sec 103 said:
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In comment 16073666 Spiciest Memelord said:


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blasts the earth I think its called the Carrington Effect. One hit earth in 1859 and there were numerous reports that it was like daylight in the middle of the night and electronic equipment even ran without batteries, which sounds pretty bizarre.

Purportedly if it would hit nowadays it would fry a lot of our electronic equipment.



Wait they had electronic equipment back in 1859? That's news to me, musta been time travelers...


time travellers wtf? lol
Part  
AcidTest : 3/23/2023 3:26 pm : link
of the problem is that there would likely only be 12 - 15 hours of warning before the CME hit Earth. That might not be enough time to get to any "hideaway," however well-stocked or fortified. That is especially true because complete chaos and pandemonium would occur immediately after any announcement.

The EMP from a CME as powerful as the one that just happened would affect electronics and power grids all over the planet.
Yes, Ive heard about this event  
upnyg : 3/23/2023 3:33 pm : link
It happended 100 years ago.

If you watch all the EMP type of documentaries (prepper) videos on netflix you will see more on this.

In reality, its more likey an enemy of the state detonates an emp over our country to wipe out our tech.

A good reason to have a little garden, be near a water source, learn how to hunt, etc.

Also, as others mentioned if you have stuff people will find you and try to get it. So either be prepared to protect yourself or find a place to hunker down. All it takes is 2-3 days with no eletricity, no access to money or gas and people will freak.

Hopefully, this never happens.
RE: Part  
shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16073874 AcidTest said:
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of the problem is that there would likely only be 12 - 15 hours of warning before the CME hit Earth. That might not be enough time to get to any "hideaway," however well-stocked or fortified. That is especially true because complete chaos and pandemonium would occur immediately after any announcement.

The EMP from a CME as powerful as the one that just happened would affect electronics and power grids all over the planet.



We’d all be F’ed for sure haha
It was like the Mad Max  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/23/2023 3:46 pm : link
after Sandy.
RE: It was like the Mad Max  
shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16073894 Spiciest Memelord said:
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after Sandy.


Hahaah
I never learned to hunt, wasn't raised on it  
oghwga : 3/23/2023 4:46 pm : link
but you can be damn sure I'd figure out how to bash my neighbor on the head for the last can of chili.

The Amish would probably do just fine.

I have no beef with the preppers but I think it's just a manifestation of anxiety and a way to try to take control of your fears.

I'm old, I'm not worrying about surviving and repopulating the world. I'd rather worry over stuff I can control. If the end times come, let them come. Sorry kids.
RE: I never learned to hunt, wasn't raised on it  
shocktheworld : 3/23/2023 4:55 pm : link
In comment 16073970 oghwga said:
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but you can be damn sure I'd figure out how to bash my neighbor on the head for the last can of chili.

The Amish would probably do just fine.

I have no beef with the preppers but I think it's just a manifestation of anxiety and a way to try to take control of your fears.

I'm old, I'm not worrying about surviving and repopulating the world. I'd rather worry over stuff I can control. If the end times come, let them come. Sorry kids.



you're not wrong haha
The book "48 Hours"  
D HOS : 3/23/2023 4:57 pm : link
is about a carrington event. Good book, not great.

I love these types of books even though they are often more than a little "disaster porn" because even so, they raise a bunch of issues and explore situations that I do believe are likely, in the unlikely event we had a global catastrophe. And I like reading and thinking about how idiots, average people and the prepared alike figure out those situations, the mistakes they make, the lucky and happy accidents, lessons learned.

Of the "likely" disasters, a carrington event or a huge CME, I believe would be the worst.
Another century should be just enough  
Bill in UT : 3/23/2023 4:59 pm : link
to cover me
RE: I never learned to hunt, wasn't raised on it  
jtfuoco : 3/23/2023 5:35 pm : link
In comment 16073970 oghwga said:
[quote] but you can be damn sure I'd figure out how to bash my neighbor on the head for the last can of chili.

The Amish would probably do just fine.

I have no beef with the preppers but I think it's just a manifestation of anxiety and a way to try to take control of your fears.

I don't know about fear for me prepping is fun and being self reliant is never a bad thing. Also as a father of 3 young daughters I don't want to be in a position to sit by and watch them starve to death. Prepping is most beneficial for localized events like the massive winter weather hitting areas were you will be with out help for days or weeks maybe months at the most. However Acid is correct when facing events like a gamma ray burst or super volcano eruption it won't matter unless you rich enough to build a self contain bunker a mile deep and willing to live out the rest of your life down there

not a prepper  
D HOS : 3/23/2023 6:16 pm : link
but highly interested and educated about it. You could in a sense call my Dad and some of my kin preppers, as our heritage is Mennonite farmers. Prepping, if nothing else, trains you to be very methodical, thoughtful, have foresight and do contingency planning. Plus you learn intimately "how things work". In a world that mainly lives in the moment, this is never a bad thing. And if it rubs off on your kids, what a great thing to impart to the next generation, as it was probably imparted to you.
I live in Florida  
allstarjim : 3/24/2023 8:30 am : link
in the suburbs of Tampa. If the city guys come out here for food they're likely not to do very well. When I and a couple of friends get together, we'd not be a fun party host for looking to take what's ours.
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