that it seems notable we haven't seen contract details of the non-vsb moves that seem in play.
roster space is getting pretty tight when you factor in 10 draft picks + who knows how many (5-10) UDFA's. think they are up to 73 spots taken right now with bryan edwards and ashawn robinson possibly being 74, 75.
Schoen seems to have a pretty good handle on it. He will massage some contracts to make it work.
Top priority this off season was keep adding talent. 1 yr deals until drafted talent and preferred FA can supplant them as starters and depth. The better the talent the coaches have to work with, the better the results. They are making progress.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
You too could have done a better job than Dave Gettleman then, I suppose.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
Why? We know the deal. It ain’t rocket science dude. You stagger as many contracts as you can fit within the financial margins that the cap imposes. Again, I never said it doesn’t matter. I said there’s wiggle room or nuance. When you’re a good team you kick the fan as needed until there’s no juice left. Then you start over. We ain’t staring over.
I don’t need no cap class. I’ve been learning it for 35 years now.
Schoen and Abrams doing a wonderful job managing cap this offseason
People over reacted to the jones money and here we are, weeks after the deal was signed with clear cut into fully detailing how financially solvent the giants are now. I didn’t rub anyone’s nose in it. Didn’t call anyone out by name. Merely tried to point out how people worried too much. Wasn’t meant to be an argument.
But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.
Agreed.
djm, there's no amount of backtracking you can do now to erase your history commenting on the cap. Sorry, lol.
Ok then. You can Win the argument. I’ll just provide the facts.
Some of you have amazingly selective memories. Wow—-I said the cap discussion should capture more nuance as there’s wiggle room that far too many don’t seem interested in recognizing. Got me there!!! I guess my credibility is soiled forever now.
I find myself ready to delete my account here and just be done with this place. Not a threat or look at me post...just me venting.
I just find it harder and harder to NOT get frustrated lately. Maybe it's the world in general. Maybe it's me getting older. I've been called worse then cap stupid that's for sure. It's not this thread as much as this place's impact on me lately. I just don't know how healthy it is to get into these pissing matches anymore.
People over reacted to the jones money and here we are, weeks after the deal was signed with clear cut into fully detailing how financially solvent the giants are now. I didn’t rub anyone’s nose in it. Didn’t call anyone out by name. Merely tried to point out how people worried too much. Wasn’t meant to be an argument.
But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
This is very fair. Schoen seems to have a modern grasp of the cap. Clearly, Schoen think DJ is a franchise QB and that the Giants are in a window because they are spending. Ignore what people say, focus on what they do. Easy to see what the Giants believe. You were correct, don't wait on anyone's admission of it. Most people are too small to admit error. BBI is no different.
You might need some other outlets, you're taking it way too seriously.
I fed emotional what can I say…I don’t take sports too seriously or sports debates but at times I feel like I’m
better off not engaging or getting sucked in to these red herring arguments. It’s fine moving on. Not worth the trouble.
nflpa posts a daily public cap update for all teams. this may be reflecting the full roster not the top 51, but even if that's the case the dont have all the nyg players reportedly signed totaled in the roster yet (and presumably not whatever move yates thinks they've executed to create cap space).
I think maybe some of y'all are confusing the view that franchising Jones vs. a long term deal, would have been an in-year cap constraint. That's what most serious posters were saying.
Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.
In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.
Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis
I think maybe some of y'all are confusing the view that franchising Jones vs. a long term deal, would have been an in-year cap constraint. That's what most serious posters were saying.
Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.
In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.
Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis
I did not at all want to FT Jones. I felt like that scenario was almost worse than any other alternative. Nearly a no win situation.
Glad it all worked out in the end. Jones/Barkley here and we have room to improve.
artificially lowering him this year in an extension with so much $ gtd raised him in a future year (next year he's up to 45m).
they could have artificially lowered golladay this year similarly with a june 1 designation and carried jones at a higher hit this year. that may have been the 'we don't want to but will keep that option open' schoen commented on initially re kg cut.
the downside to that would have been no cost certainty on jones next year. if played well his price goes up and he gets tagged again then you're potentially paying same as the extension hit or more anyway. plus carrying kg $. but it was an option if they didnt feel comfortable extending jones at such an aggressive contract.
"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
That could be the plan..
"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
Exactly. It wasn't done in a vacuum...
OTC still has $3.7 mill available...
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"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
roster space is getting pretty tight when you factor in 10 draft picks + who knows how many (5-10) UDFA's. think they are up to 73 spots taken right now with bryan edwards and ashawn robinson possibly being 74, 75.
Top priority this off season was keep adding talent. 1 yr deals until drafted talent and preferred FA can supplant them as starters and depth. The better the talent the coaches have to work with, the better the results. They are making progress.
So I guess we just live happily ever after…
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
+1, … and don’t stop ;)
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
You too could have done a better job than Dave Gettleman then, I suppose.
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
+1, … and don’t stop ;)
I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
+1, … and don’t stop ;)
I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!
I’ll 3rd it!
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
+1, … and don’t stop ;)
I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!
I’ll 3rd it!
I can't count that high...
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In comment 16073989 djm said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.
Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.
+1, … and don’t stop ;)
I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!
I’ll 3rd it!
4th……
I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.
Why? We know the deal. It ain’t rocket science dude. You stagger as many contracts as you can fit within the financial margins that the cap imposes. Again, I never said it doesn’t matter. I said there’s wiggle room or nuance. When you’re a good team you kick the fan as needed until there’s no juice left. Then you start over. We ain’t staring over.
I don’t need no cap class. I’ve been learning it for 35 years now.
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a cap class for yous guys.
I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.
Agreed.
djm, there's no amount of backtracking you can do now to erase your history commenting on the cap. Sorry, lol.
But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
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a cap class for yous guys.
I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.
Agreed.
djm, there's no amount of backtracking you can do now to erase your history commenting on the cap. Sorry, lol.
Ok then. You can Win the argument. I’ll just provide the facts.
Some of you have amazingly selective memories. Wow—-I said the cap discussion should capture more nuance as there’s wiggle room that far too many don’t seem interested in recognizing. Got me there!!! I guess my credibility is soiled forever now.
That’s a shame. Don’t read my posts then.
Ignore me from now on if my history of cap talk renders my opinion worthless. I can live with that.
I just find it harder and harder to NOT get frustrated lately. Maybe it's the world in general. Maybe it's me getting older. I've been called worse then cap stupid that's for sure. It's not this thread as much as this place's impact on me lately. I just don't know how healthy it is to get into these pissing matches anymore.
Go Blue. Love you all.
But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
I fed emotional what can I say…I don’t take sports too seriously or sports debates but at times I feel like I’m
better off not engaging or getting sucked in to these red herring arguments. It’s fine moving on. Not worth the trouble.
it's just paper and it will all get sorted, it's inevitable that something happens with a nyg veteran. what that is still seems unknown right now but there arent that many possibilities.
https://nflpa.com/reports/public-salary-cap-report - ( New Window )
Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.
In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.
Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis
Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.
In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.
Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis
I did not at all want to FT Jones. I felt like that scenario was almost worse than any other alternative. Nearly a no win situation.
Glad it all worked out in the end. Jones/Barkley here and we have room to improve.
Key is the defense.
they could have artificially lowered golladay this year similarly with a june 1 designation and carried jones at a higher hit this year. that may have been the 'we don't want to but will keep that option open' schoen commented on initially re kg cut.
the downside to that would have been no cost certainty on jones next year. if played well his price goes up and he gets tagged again then you're potentially paying same as the extension hit or more anyway. plus carrying kg $. but it was an option if they didnt feel comfortable extending jones at such an aggressive contract.