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Some great Giants CAP news

Y28 : 3/23/2023 2:04 pm
Per reporter Field Yates, thru today the Giants now have $9,214,522 in CAP space.

We have not seen anything official, but pretty apparent that some veteran's salary has been recently re-worked.
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Ha!  
section125 : 3/23/2023 2:15 pm : link
waiting on your next with who got an extension....
Not wise to bet against Y28  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2023 2:16 pm : link
or even YANKEES28
Y28  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2023 2:18 pm : link
Absent the implied CAP from Field Yates, what should the $ CAP be?
I don't care as much  
Y28 : 3/23/2023 2:18 pm : link
about the "who", as I do about the "what"

"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
RE: I don't care as much  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2023 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16073778 Y28 said:
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about the "who", as I do about the "what"

"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!


That could be the plan..
RE: I don't care as much  
section125 : 3/23/2023 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16073778 Y28 said:
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about the "who", as I do about the "what"

"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!



Exactly. It wasn't done in a vacuum...
RE: Y28  
section125 : 3/23/2023 2:23 pm : link
In comment 16073775 ColHowPepper said:
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Absent the implied CAP from Field Yates, what should the $ CAP be?


OTC still has $3.7 mill available...
section  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2023 2:24 pm : link
thanks!
RE: I don't care as much  
ElitoCanton : 3/23/2023 2:27 pm : link
That's around the money they need to sign picks and get through the season. They need more for any additional signing above minimum guys.

In comment 16073778 Y28 said:
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about the "who", as I do about the "what"

"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
NYG was pretty close to capped out the other day  
JonC : 3/23/2023 3:27 pm : link
that cap space does suggest some unannounced contract adjustments.
And they are still in the bottom third  
Sean : 3/23/2023 3:29 pm : link
.
RE: I don't care as much  
Red Right Hand : 3/23/2023 3:31 pm : link
In comment 16073778 Y28 said:
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about the "who", as I do about the "what"

"What" do you do with the money? Sign A'Shawn Robinson !!
I think his physical was funky. One of those " we'll circle back to you" around training camp kinda deals.
was going to make a post once all these vsb 's started breaking  
Eric on Li : 3/23/2023 4:03 pm : link
that it seems notable we haven't seen contract details of the non-vsb moves that seem in play.

roster space is getting pretty tight when you factor in 10 draft picks + who knows how many (5-10) UDFA's. think they are up to 73 spots taken right now with bryan edwards and ashawn robinson possibly being 74, 75.
Not worried about the cap  
Dave on the UWS : 3/23/2023 4:06 pm : link
Schoen seems to have a pretty good handle on it. He will massage some contracts to make it work.
Top priority this off season was keep adding talent. 1 yr deals until drafted talent and preferred FA can supplant them as starters and depth. The better the talent the coaches have to work with, the better the results. They are making progress.
Wait a second  
djm : 3/23/2023 4:40 pm : link
I was told that signing Jones to a long term deal meant no money left to team build. AND they even signed Barkley to a 10 million one year hit.

So I guess we just live happily ever after…
djm  
JonC : 3/23/2023 4:44 pm : link
Everyone knows your cap knowledge, just stop lol.
that's just it  
djm : 3/23/2023 5:08 pm : link
I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.

I mean  
djm : 3/23/2023 5:09 pm : link
right is right. Jones is signed. And the Giants have a boat load of space going forward. Ball don't lie.
Just  
JonC : 3/23/2023 5:57 pm : link
stop
RE: that's just it  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 3/23/2023 7:44 pm : link
In comment 16073989 djm said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.


+1, … and don’t stop ;)
RE: that's just it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/23/2023 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16073989 djm said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.


You too could have done a better job than Dave Gettleman then, I suppose.
RE: RE: that's just it  
Bill E : 3/23/2023 11:11 pm : link
In comment 16074097 HopePhil and Optimistic said:
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In comment 16073989 djm said:


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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.




+1, … and don’t stop ;)


I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!
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Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2023 6:50 am : link
In comment 16074218 Bill E said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.




+1, … and don’t stop ;)



I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!


I’ll 3rd it!
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section125 : 3/24/2023 7:00 am : link
In comment 16074254 Big Blue '56 said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.




+1, … and don’t stop ;)



I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!



I’ll 3rd it!


I can't count that high...
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5BowlsSoon : 3/24/2023 7:07 am : link
In comment 16074254 Big Blue '56 said:
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I don't profess to know the inner workings. What I do know is good teams can pay a dozen or so big long term whopper contracts. NYG are no different. We had and still have tons of room to add, maybe not many more guys this year...but beyond.

Plus, any team about to sign its young QB isn't going to do so unless they have a plan in place that involves making improvements to the roster. Most smart posters here knew that but a select few kept screaming that signing Jones was a death knell to the team's finances. It was frustrating to argue against that.




+1, … and don’t stop ;)



I'll second that!
Fight the good fight djm!



I’ll 3rd it!


4th……
Someone should put together  
JonC : 3/24/2023 8:57 am : link
a cap class for yous guys.
RE: Someone should put together  
BamaBlue : 3/24/2023 9:06 am : link
In comment 16074317 JonC said:
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a cap class for yous guys.


I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.
RE: Someone should put together  
djm : 3/24/2023 9:41 am : link
In comment 16074317 JonC said:
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a cap class for yous guys.


Why? We know the deal. It ain’t rocket science dude. You stagger as many contracts as you can fit within the financial margins that the cap imposes. Again, I never said it doesn’t matter. I said there’s wiggle room or nuance. When you’re a good team you kick the fan as needed until there’s no juice left. Then you start over. We ain’t staring over.

I don’t need no cap class. I’ve been learning it for 35 years now.
Schoen and Abrams doing a wonderful job managing cap this offseason  
Rick in Dallas : 3/24/2023 9:42 am : link
This has been fun to watch imv.
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JonC : 3/24/2023 9:50 am : link
In comment 16074327 BamaBlue said:
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a cap class for yous guys.



I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.


Agreed.

djm, there's no amount of backtracking you can do now to erase your history commenting on the cap. Sorry, lol.
I said  
djm : 3/24/2023 9:55 am : link
People over reacted to the jones money and here we are, weeks after the deal was signed with clear cut into fully detailing how financially solvent the giants are now. I didn’t rub anyone’s nose in it. Didn’t call anyone out by name. Merely tried to point out how people worried too much. Wasn’t meant to be an argument.

But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
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djm : 3/24/2023 9:58 am : link
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a cap class for yous guys.



I don't think even that would help... feelings are much more important than facts.



Agreed.

djm, there's no amount of backtracking you can do now to erase your history commenting on the cap. Sorry, lol.


Ok then. You can Win the argument. I’ll just provide the facts.

Some of you have amazingly selective memories. Wow—-I said the cap discussion should capture more nuance as there’s wiggle room that far too many don’t seem interested in recognizing. Got me there!!! I guess my credibility is soiled forever now.

That’s a shame. Don’t read my posts then.
And I don’t backtrack  
djm : 3/24/2023 9:59 am : link
So save it. I own my takes. No hedging.
feelings are more important than facts???  
djm : 3/24/2023 10:05 am : link
nice drop in..

I won't call out anyone here  
djm : 3/24/2023 10:07 am : link
or their history of posting. I will bow out.

Ignore me from now on if my history of cap talk renders my opinion worthless. I can live with that.
more and more  
djm : 3/24/2023 10:17 am : link
I find myself ready to delete my account here and just be done with this place. Not a threat or look at me post...just me venting.

I just find it harder and harder to NOT get frustrated lately. Maybe it's the world in general. Maybe it's me getting older. I've been called worse then cap stupid that's for sure. It's not this thread as much as this place's impact on me lately. I just don't know how healthy it is to get into these pissing matches anymore.

Go Blue. Love you all.

Oh, c'mon dude  
JonC : 3/24/2023 10:23 am : link
You might need some other outlets, you're taking it way too seriously.
RE: I said  
Thegratefulhead : 3/24/2023 10:33 am : link
In comment 16074370 djm said:
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People over reacted to the jones money and here we are, weeks after the deal was signed with clear cut into fully detailing how financially solvent the giants are now. I didn’t rub anyone’s nose in it. Didn’t call anyone out by name. Merely tried to point out how people worried too much. Wasn’t meant to be an argument.

But maybe I’m wrong and the DJ deal is a franchise killing soul crusher. I don’t see it that way at all. He’s a fine player.
This is very fair. Schoen seems to have a modern grasp of the cap. Clearly, Schoen think DJ is a franchise QB and that the Giants are in a window because they are spending. Ignore what people say, focus on what they do. Easy to see what the Giants believe. You were correct, don't wait on anyone's admission of it. Most people are too small to admit error. BBI is no different.
RE: Oh, c'mon dude  
djm : 3/24/2023 10:56 am : link
In comment 16074422 JonC said:
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You might need some other outlets, you're taking it way too seriously.


I fed emotional what can I say…I don’t take sports too seriously or sports debates but at times I feel like I’m
better off not engaging or getting sucked in to these red herring arguments. It’s fine moving on. Not worth the trouble.

There's certainly topics and posters I ignore  
JonC : 3/24/2023 11:05 am : link
You go nuts if you let it.
after all this im not sure yates has his numbers right  
Eric on Li : 3/24/2023 12:00 pm : link
nflpa posts a daily public cap update for all teams. this may be reflecting the full roster not the top 51, but even if that's the case the dont have all the nyg players reportedly signed totaled in the roster yet (and presumably not whatever move yates thinks they've executed to create cap space).

it's just paper and it will all get sorted, it's inevitable that something happens with a nyg veteran. what that is still seems unknown right now but there arent that many possibilities.
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christian : 3/24/2023 12:28 pm : link
I think maybe some of y'all are confusing the view that franchising Jones vs. a long term deal, would have been an in-year cap constraint. That's what most serious posters were saying.

Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.

In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.

Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis
RE: ...  
djm : 3/24/2023 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16074600 christian said:
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I think maybe some of y'all are confusing the view that franchising Jones vs. a long term deal, would have been an in-year cap constraint. That's what most serious posters were saying.

Look at this way: Jones on the tender would have been 10M more against the 2023 cap, which effectively is what Barkley made. So assume Jones on the tender means no Barkley.

In that scenario, this is your free agent haul. It's good, but not some big dial moving group.

Amani Oruwariye
Bobby McCain
Bobby Okereke
Casey Kreiter
Darius Slayton
Darren Waller
Isaiah Hodgins
Jack Anderson
Jamie Gillan
Jamison Crowder
Jarrad Davis
Jeff Smith
Lawrence Cager
Matt Breida
Parris Campbell
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Sterling Shepard
Tommy Sweeney
Wyatt Davis


I did not at all want to FT Jones. I felt like that scenario was almost worse than any other alternative. Nearly a no win situation.

Glad it all worked out in the end. Jones/Barkley here and we have room to improve.

Key is the defense.
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christian : 3/24/2023 1:28 pm : link
If I am reading the NFLPA balance sheet right, that looks like the Giants are over the cap BY 9M, not below it.
jones on the tag this yr wasn't as big of a deal as has been portrayed  
Eric on Li : 3/24/2023 1:36 pm : link
artificially lowering him this year in an extension with so much $ gtd raised him in a future year (next year he's up to 45m).

they could have artificially lowered golladay this year similarly with a june 1 designation and carried jones at a higher hit this year. that may have been the 'we don't want to but will keep that option open' schoen commented on initially re kg cut.

the downside to that would have been no cost certainty on jones next year. if played well his price goes up and he gets tagged again then you're potentially paying same as the extension hit or more anyway. plus carrying kg $. but it was an option if they didnt feel comfortable extending jones at such an aggressive contract.
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