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Patriots promote Joe Judge to assistant head coach

No1MDGiantsFan : 3/23/2023 2:19 pm
“ #Patriots have promoted Joe Judge to assistant head coach and will have a role in special teams”

Wasn’t there an article last year about him alienating most of the team? LOL good luck coach.
Like the army  
eli4life : 3/23/2023 2:21 pm : link
If you can’t do…….. promote
This will probably  
section125 : 3/23/2023 2:21 pm : link
not end well in N.E.
at least he’s away from the offense  
KDavies : 3/23/2023 2:22 pm : link
still can’t believe that one
Based on the reports of Judge clashing with the players last year  
DieHard : 3/23/2023 2:23 pm : link
I have to assume this AHC job involves Judge breaking down film alone in his office during the week and sitting in the coaches booth during games...

I have to hand it to Belichick, he's nothing if not loyal. He knew that returning Judge back to special teams coordinator would all but end his chances to be anything more than that in the NFL, so he gives him the fancy title.
So, the report that Belichick had lost confidence in him  
Gruber : 3/23/2023 2:23 pm : link
turns out to be false.
At least special teams were good there when he coached them.  
an_idol_mind : 3/23/2023 2:23 pm : link
Judge's general "make no mistakes" philosophy at least plays well with special teams, as opposed to attempting to develop a quarterback.
IMO  
Jay on the Island : 3/23/2023 2:35 pm : link
This is a saving face demotion. They moved him back to special teams because he was a disaster on the offensive side of the ball. It wasn't just him clashing with players like Mac Jones but Joe Judge also reportedly got into several arguments with the other position coaches when he would try to take over meetings.
LOL  
BlueVinnie : 3/23/2023 2:37 pm : link
Bill B is losing it.
hahahahahahahaha  
Heisenberg : 3/23/2023 2:39 pm : link
Incredible
He's going to be in charge of the goal line offense  
GFAN52 : 3/23/2023 2:39 pm : link
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Fuck Up  
Ron Johnson : 3/23/2023 2:40 pm : link
Move Up
Honestly  
Matt in SGS : 3/23/2023 2:41 pm : link
I wondered last year if the Pats gave him that nondescript job title because they could pay him very little as the Giants were on the hook to pay his salary. So basically they got Judge at an assistant coach job but saved money because they could barely pay him with whatever made up title he got.

There are few rules around this stuff, but I have always figured that when a coach gets hired as an assistant after he's been fired somewhere else, it's a gentleman's agreement among the owners to give them a market rate deal as an assistant coach & the former team covers the remainder. It felt like the Pats skirted past that last year and maybe Mara went over to Kraft and told him to knock that crap off.

Or it's nothing...
RE: Like the army  
upnyg : 3/23/2023 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16073784 eli4life said:
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If you can’t do…….. promote

True almost anywhere where relationships come first.
Makes you think Judge has something on Bellichick  
Blue Dream : 3/23/2023 2:56 pm : link
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RE: So, the report that Belichick had lost confidence in him  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/23/2023 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16073795 Gruber said:
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turns out to be false.


Sounds like they are "promoting" Judge away from the offense.
Job title is assistant head coach  
ghost718 : 3/23/2023 3:06 pm : link
Real job is making sure there's enough pencils
Lol Bill is one stubborn bastard.  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/23/2023 3:12 pm : link
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RE: He's going to be in charge of the goal line offense  
RCPhoenix : 3/23/2023 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16073818 GFAN52 said:
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LOL
I think Matt is right. This sounds like bullshit  
Sean : 3/23/2023 3:16 pm : link
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
One difference b/w Patricia in '21 and Judge in '23, just to illustrate it—Patricia's name was on player contracts back then, and this year, Matt Groh's name is in that spot. Judge's job will be more in coaching special teams, being a liaison between coaching and scouting, etc.
RE: RE: So, the report that Belichick had lost confidence in him  
bluepepper : 3/23/2023 3:17 pm : link
In comment 16073844 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 16073795 Gruber said:


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turns out to be false.



Sounds like they are "promoting" Judge away from the offense.

Belichick doesn't strike me as the type to give out those sorts or promotions. He also does not worry much about players opinions. Logical explanation is he has a lot of confidence in Judge.
Joe Judge is the DEFENITION  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/23/2023 3:19 pm : link
OF FAILING UPWARD. FUCKIN SCRUB!
RE: Honestly  
FranknWeezer : 3/23/2023 3:37 pm : link
In comment 16073821 Matt in SGS said:
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I wondered last year if the Pats gave him that nondescript job title because they could pay him very little as the Giants were on the hook to pay his salary. So basically they got Judge at an assistant coach job but saved money because they could barely pay him with whatever made up title he got.

There are few rules around this stuff, but I have always figured that when a coach gets hired as an assistant after he's been fired somewhere else, it's a gentleman's agreement among the owners to give them a market rate deal as an assistant coach & the former team covers the remainder. It felt like the Pats skirted past that last year and maybe Mara went over to Kraft and told him to knock that crap off.

Or it's nothing...


Nice call on that.
It sounds like a promotion...  
DefenseWins : 3/23/2023 3:47 pm : link
but it isn't. He is really not in charge of anything anymore. He is coaching no facet of the team.

Bill just probably has him running around picking up his laundry from the cleaners.
I would really like to read a tell-all about the 2021 season  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/23/2023 3:58 pm : link
...and Judge in particular. I mean, he snowed everybody, fans included.

What happened? I know dribs and drabs about from reports, and could see with my own eyes that he was a confused gameday coach, but there has to be more than that.

Did players hate him? If so, why? Is he a dummy that was simply mentally overmatched on game day? Did he not prepare well? Did practices not prepare the team for what they would be seeing? Did he overrule coaches?

I'd love to know, because I have never seen a turnaround from his opening press conference to the timid, confused, ill-prepared and unhinged guy that ended the 2021 season.
RE: So, the report that Belichick had lost confidence in him  
TheBlueprintNC : 3/23/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16073795 Gruber said:
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turns out to be false.


they want to learn and get ready to take over.. Said it last year too..
RE: I would really like to read a tell-all about the 2021 season  
jnoble : 3/23/2023 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16073920 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...and Judge in particular. I mean, he snowed everybody, fans included.

What happened? I know dribs and drabs about from reports, and could see with my own eyes that he was a confused gameday coach, but there has to be more than that.

Did players hate him? If so, why? Is he a dummy that was simply mentally overmatched on game day? Did he not prepare well? Did practices not prepare the team for what they would be seeing? Did he overrule coaches?

I'd love to know, because I have never seen a turnaround from his opening press conference to the timid, confused, ill-prepared and unhinged guy that ended the 2021 season.


From what I can tell, it was probably everything you listed and maybe a few more.
He was like that guy who bullshits and brags his way into a job position and then figures out quick, as does his coworkers, that he has no idea what he's doing
RE: It sounds like a promotion...  
jnoble : 3/23/2023 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16073897 DefenseWins said:
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but it isn't. He is really not in charge of anything anymore. He is coaching no facet of the team.

Bill just probably has him running around picking up his laundry from the cleaners.


"Here you go boss! Your coffee with milk and sugar just how you like it!"
RE: Fuck Up  
jnoble : 3/23/2023 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16073819 Ron Johnson said:
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Move Up


He should get into politics. He'll get moved up the chain right quick lol
Is this like the vice president?  
D HOS : 3/23/2023 4:37 pm : link
What happens if Bill can't go? Like if he has a health issue, or screams too much and gets a suspension? Is Judge then in charge? He's their backup plan?
i think he's like Dwight Schrute,  
markky : 3/23/2023 4:58 pm : link
Assistant to the Head Coach.

The Patriot Way kinda rings hollow  
DieHard : 3/23/2023 5:06 pm : link
If you don't hold coaches to the same performance standards as the players. I'm sure Pats players wish they could screw up all over the place and get a better title out of it.
RE: I would really like to read a tell-all about the 2021 season  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/23/2023 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16073920 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...and Judge in particular. I mean, he snowed everybody, fans included.

What happened? I know dribs and drabs about from reports, and could see with my own eyes that he was a confused gameday coach, but there has to be more than that.

Did players hate him? If so, why? Is he a dummy that was simply mentally overmatched on game day? Did he not prepare well? Did practices not prepare the team for what they would be seeing? Did he overrule coaches?

I'd love to know, because I have never seen a turnaround from his opening press conference to the timid, confused, ill-prepared and unhinged guy that ended the 2021 season.


He's too dogmatic. I recognize the type.
assistant.....  
thrunthrublue : 3/23/2023 5:34 pm : link
to the regional manager........the Dwight K Schrute position has been filled in new england!
RE: RE: Fuck Up  
MeanBunny : 3/23/2023 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16073949 jnoble said:
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In comment 16073819 Ron Johnson said:


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Move Up
He is a suck up, so he can lead a committee. He's as likeable as Adam Schiff



He should get into politics. He'll get moved up the chain right quick lol
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/23/2023 6:42 pm : link
If Judge could have a mulligan, he takes the Mississippi State gig over us. I don't think he'll ever sniff a chance to be a head coach again in the pros & perhaps college too. He was-and the Giants @ large-were a national joke after the 2021 season.
RE: RE: RE: Fuck Up  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/23/2023 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16074042 MeanBunny said:
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In comment 16073949 jnoble said:


Quote:


In comment 16073819 Ron Johnson said:


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Move Up
He is a suck up, so he can lead a committee. He's as likeable as Adam Schiff



He should get into politics. He'll get moved up the chain right quick lol



So how does THIS thread get political? geez louise.
RE: ...  
jnoble : 3/23/2023 9:54 pm : link
In comment 16074052 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Judge could have a mulligan, he takes the Mississippi State gig over us. I don't think he'll ever sniff a chance to be a head coach again in the pros & perhaps college too. He was-and the Giants @ large-were a national joke after the 2021 season.


I can't see any team hiring him as a head coach because the entire league saw plain as day how incompetent he was. I suppose anything is possible if he sticks around long enough and learns from his mistakes but he might be a lost cause
lot of speculation here  
bc4life : 3/24/2023 11:00 am : link
inherited an undertalented, injury riddled team. probably moved up too fast, teams looking for the hot young star on the rise.

thing about being Belichick clone - better win fast and keep winning because that style has a short shelf life when you're struggling.
I hope Bill retires soon.  
Joe Beckwith : 3/24/2023 12:27 pm : link
And they bump up the Asst HC.
Non Patriots fans in New England have waited 20- 30 years for their decline/ collapse .
JJ will guarantee it.
RE: I hope Bill retires soon.  
NNJ Tom : 3/24/2023 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16074599 Joe Beckwith said:
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And they bump up the Asst HC.
Non Patriots fans in New England have waited 20- 30 years for their decline/ collapse .
JJ will guarantee it.


Or maybe Judge's time with NYG will be like Bill's time in Cleveland? Makes you wonder what Bill sees that everyone else on the planet is missing.
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