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NYG meeting with WRs, but the lack of OL signings sticks out

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/24/2023 9:54 am
The prevailing opinion seems to be that the Giants will target a WR early, and this is supported by the team meeting with high-profile WR prospects.

Also, other than Okereke and Waller, none of the new players have big contracts so it's important not to read too much into the other signings.

That said, the Giants have added DL, LB, CB, S, WR, and TE in free agency/trade.

They have protected or re-signed QB, RB, WR, LB, P, LS in free agency.

Note what position is missing?

In addition, they let their only two UFA offensive linemen walk.

There are three ways to read into this:

(1) They didn't like what is out there and are waiting to see who shakes free and/or prices to come down.

(2) They aren't as worried about what they have as others (this makes Giants fans nervous because of Reese/Gettleman).

(3) They are going to target OL again in the draft (they drafted three OLs last year).
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I say 1 and 3 are both true  
cosmicj : 3/24/2023 10:00 am : link
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i think they like the kids..  
BigBlueDawg56 : 3/24/2023 10:00 am : link
we have. i beleive azeudu will start at LG and we are stuck with glow for another year. A day 2 center may be in the cards and upgrade glow next year with either mccethan or a draft pick.
It is telling, but  
section125 : 3/24/2023 10:01 am : link
I haven't a clue as to what it is.

I think they will look for vets let go after the draft. I do think they like what they have (14 under contract is what Schoen said, IIRC?).

What is a little noteworthy is the center position. What is going on there?
If Schoen/Daboll believe  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/24/2023 10:03 am : link
that they do not need to spend a premium pick (first round) on OL I'm fine with that. I have a lot more faith in them than the past regime.

I think Schoen's belief in positional value may keep them from drafting an IOL in the first round as well.

I think it's going to be a CB. Maybe with a move up even...
personally, I think it's a combination of those  
KDavies : 3/24/2023 10:04 am : link
they have Ezeudu and McKethan coming back, and Neal should be a lot better year 2 as well. They signed guys like W. Davis and Kindley. Right now on OL, they have Thomas, Lemieux, Bredson, Glowinski, Neal, Phillips, McKethan, Ezeudu (some speculation he could play C), Davis, Kindley, Peart. They certainly have the bodies.

I think they like what they have more than a lot of fans and didn't see what was out there as a significant upgrade at the prices they wanted to pay, but I also think they will draft an interior OL in the 1st 3 rounds.
Evan Neal  
GiantGrit : 3/24/2023 10:04 am : link
Can’t articulate enough how big of a wildcard he is this upcoming year. If he’s even league average it would help a ton.

I think they like some of the younger guys on the roster and they’ll draft 2-3 more. Just keep at it until guys stick.

I don’t think they go center in round 1 but getting above average play from that position goes farther than many realize. We’re overdue for a stalwart who commands the OL.

Here’s my question - are the Giants going to lean into their running identity from last year? Or pass the ball more like Daboll did in Buffalo. The identity of the offense also determines what they prioritize on the OL.
As it stands  
allstarjim : 3/24/2023 10:07 am : link
Neal and Ezeudu's development is really key. Obviously, we'll see what happens with the draft, where I expect they will add at least one piece to the interior, at minimum.

I really believe in Neal, and Ezeudu has projectable traits. But to rely solely on potential development is risky, so quality depth remains a priority.
I think at a minimum we will need at least one new starter on OL  
JFIB : 3/24/2023 10:08 am : link
The Tackle position seems set this year. Ezeudu will likely start at Guard or possibly Center which I believe will work out fine, he showed promise. Bredeson at the other Guard spot or Center, not particularly psyched about him being back as a starter but OK. That leaves either another starting Guard or Center needed likely through the draft. I personally think it was a mistake letting Gates go. He played one game at Center when he returned and I remember thinking he held up well. He struggled at LG but I think he would have returned to his old form at Center this year if he had gotten the opportunity.
RE: Evan Neal  
barens : 3/24/2023 10:08 am : link
In comment 16074388 GiantGrit said:
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Can’t articulate enough how big of a wildcard he is this upcoming year. If he’s even league average it would help a ton.

I think they like some of the younger guys on the roster and they’ll draft 2-3 more. Just keep at it until guys stick.

I don’t think they go center in round 1 but getting above average play from that position goes farther than many realize. We’re overdue for a stalwart who commands the OL.

Here’s my question - are the Giants going to lean into their running identity from last year? Or pass the ball more like Daboll did in Buffalo. The identity of the offense also determines what they prioritize on the OL.


Yeah, I'm not as worried about the interior yet, players can shake free, there is still the draft, but like you said, a lot hinges on how Neal plays this year. Improvement is so desperately needed.
The glaring need is at Center  
MarvelousMike : 3/24/2023 10:09 am : link
I hope that Ezeudu locks down LG and they have enough competition for RG. JS will draft developmental OL on day 3.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/24/2023 10:10 am : link
The interior OL is glaring - especially when you factor in that Glow is a FA next season and will also likely need to be replaced
RE: Evan Neal  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/24/2023 10:11 am : link
In comment 16074388 GiantGrit said:
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Can’t articulate enough how big of a wildcard he is this upcoming year. If he’s even league average it would help a ton.

I think they like some of the younger guys on the roster and they’ll draft 2-3 more. Just keep at it until guys stick.

I don’t think they go center in round 1 but getting above average play from that position goes farther than many realize. We’re overdue for a stalwart who commands the OL.

Here’s my question - are the Giants going to lean into their running identity from last year? Or pass the ball more like Daboll did in Buffalo. The identity of the offense also determines what they prioritize on the OL.


This is an absolutely huge point. They spent a 7 on him so he is a guy they probably (for better or worse) are going to give him at least this year to show what he has at RT.

It would be amazing to pull off acquiring a quality OG/RT as a backup (better than Phillips) but maybe they think that's Ezeudu.

If Ez gets some snaps at RT in camp that might be telling.

Bredeson is NOT a T but he seems to project well to OC.

Giants right or wrong may like what they have right now. And only add in round 3 or lower.

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CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/24/2023 10:11 am : link
And I feel like the Chiefs are writing the book on how to win with a QB on a second contract.

Invest heavy in the oline to keep him upright, get a nasty TE, and then find your Jags/Value at WR.

I'd be really surprised if a vet OC  
AcesUp : 3/24/2023 10:11 am : link
Wasn't brought in before the draft. Doesn't have to be best available, could be a guy that might not even make the opening roster but I would think they'd want some floor behind the inexperience heading into the draft and camp.

Ezeudu is a big wildcard to me. They're clearly high on him but are they deadset at developing him at LG or are they open to having him compete at multiple spots? I can certainly see the argument in wanting to develop a raw player at one position and not stunt his development by moving him around. If they do see him his a potential answer at either OG/OC then it does open up your options in the draft. It's not JMS/Tippman/Wypler or bust on the first couple of days then. A guy like Bergeron is even in play in that scenario.
If it's 2  
jeff57 : 3/24/2023 10:12 am : link
We're in trouble. I still think they're going to draft an IOL with one of the first 3 picks and add a veteran.
I'd expect a vet OC as well  
JonC : 3/24/2023 10:13 am : link
They're not going to force one at #25, the value imo will be there at WR or CB, rinse and repeat in the second round. IOL comes into play round 3 and later.
It's starting to feel like the Giants will go OG, C, or CB  
BeggarsBanquet : 3/24/2023 10:14 am : link
and wait for the 2nd round or later to add a WR.

I wouldn't rule out a draft day trade of Jeudy for a 2nd or 3rd+. Mike Lombardi said Denver doesn't want to pick up the 5th yr option. So if there is a player on the board that Payton wants, he'll deal Jeudy for less than the current asking price.
RE: Evan Neal  
allstarjim : 3/24/2023 10:14 am : link
In comment 16074388 GiantGrit said:
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Can’t articulate enough how big of a wildcard he is this upcoming year. If he’s even league average it would help a ton.

I think they like some of the younger guys on the roster and they’ll draft 2-3 more. Just keep at it until guys stick.

I don’t think they go center in round 1 but getting above average play from that position goes farther than many realize. We’re overdue for a stalwart who commands the OL.

Here’s my question - are the Giants going to lean into their running identity from last year? Or pass the ball more like Daboll did in Buffalo. The identity of the offense also determines what they prioritize on the OL.


I think if you look at what they've done with adding speed at WR, I think they want to have a more dynamic passing offense. Would really like to see the hit on at least one of these receivers to really emerge as a big weapon for Daniel.
Relax everyone  
Y28 : 3/24/2023 10:14 am : link
I found the answer
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My thinking would be  
Chip : 3/24/2023 10:14 am : link
2 of the first 3 picks should be OL. It is the weakest unit on the team with all the WR signings. Not to mention no proven center and relying on Mckethan a late round pick who is coming off an injury is nuts.
My one knock on Joe Schoen's tenure thus far with the Giants  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/24/2023 10:15 am : link
is his inability to improve the OL. He inherited one of the worst OLs in the league, and it hasn't gotten any better. Granted, this is only his second off-season with the team, but the bodies he's brought in to help address the line haven't panned out so far.

Mark Glowinski was a below average guard in 2022, and the same goes for Jon Feliciano at center. Evan Neal was terrible last season and jury is still out on him, and Josh Ezuedu amd Markus McKeathen are both coming off injuries and the jury is still out on them as well.
Connor McGovern is still unsigned (Jets version)  
Fat Wally : 3/24/2023 10:20 am : link
He's 30 so maybe as a 2-3 year stop gap. Would love to grab him. Then let Bredeson and Ezeudu battle it out for LG.
RE: My thinking would be  
allstarjim : 3/24/2023 10:21 am : link
In comment 16074413 Chip said:
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2 of the first 3 picks should be OL. It is the weakest unit on the team with all the WR signings. Not to mention no proven center and relying on Mckethan a late round pick who is coming off an injury is nuts.


You just can't force any position. I think that Center position looms large. So 2nd or 3rd round getting a Center you hope the value matches at your pick. OG I think is no problem to add at any of those spots, but even if you have to push it to the middle or even late rounds, get some bodies. The Giants have other needs, particularly at corner and DL, not to mention receiver, so you just have to let the draft play out and get the best players where you're slotted (assuming no trades). On the latter point, I do think moving up and getting an extra 3rd or 4th has to be on the table. I'd prefer an additional pick, even if it's a 4th or 5th, than to have 5 picks at pick 172 and later.
1 and 2 kind of go hand in hand...  
George from PA : 3/24/2023 10:22 am : link
They do not like what is out there compared to what they have.....

I wish they could hide their intent better....
RE: Connor McGovern is still unsigned (Jets version)  
allstarjim : 3/24/2023 10:23 am : link
In comment 16074419 Fat Wally said:
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He's 30 so maybe as a 2-3 year stop gap. Would love to grab him. Then let Bredeson and Ezeudu battle it out for LG.


Yup, he's a guy I like and have had my eye on for a while. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a deal yet, and surprised at the lack of reporting of Schoen's interest in not just him but the entire IOL free agent class in general.

McGovern remains a strong player out there who could slot in as a starter right away at center.
$ is the problem  
JonC : 3/24/2023 10:26 am : link
otherwise signing Isaac Seumalo would've been a priority signing if I were GM. I would've found the $.
My guess is they plan to draft 2-3 OL  
UConn4523 : 3/24/2023 10:26 am : link
and probably expect some decent vets to get cut in camp and will plan on adding one.
I think it’s a smokescreen  
eric2425ny : 3/24/2023 10:27 am : link
They’ll take a WR in the first three rounds, but I’m not sure it will be a first or second rounder. Lining up these WR dinners makes everyone think they are all about WR.

They have 13 WR’s under contract right now. At least 5 of those players are locks to make the roster. If they were 100% on the receiver heavy draft I don’t think they would have signed as many FA receivers.
RE: It's starting to feel like the Giants will go OG, C, or CB  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/24/2023 10:27 am : link
In comment 16074410 BeggarsBanquet said:
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and wait for the 2nd round or later to add a WR.

I wouldn't rule out a draft day trade of Jeudy for a 2nd or 3rd+. Mike Lombardi said Denver doesn't want to pick up the 5th yr option. So if there is a player on the board that Payton wants, he'll deal Jeudy for less than the current asking price.


I just don't know how much a likelihood that would be....

The Giants haven't spent a 1st round pick on an IOL in 30+ years. Schoen is alignment with the stressing positional value mantra of this organization in the first round of the draft.

They also spent a high 3rd on Ezeudu. My guess is he will be the expected starter at LG and possibly even the back up RT. Center if they follow their normal M.O. won't be addressed until round 2 earliest but my guess is with our other needs and how deep this draft is , it won't be until at least round 3. Lastly they may very well like how Bredeson projects there

As  
AcidTest : 3/24/2023 10:27 am : link
others have said, I think they like what they have aside from maybe center, where I would expect a veteran to be signed. My own view is that they might be too optimistic. Similar to many positions, they have a lot of bodies on the OL, but quantity isn't quality. Thomas is the only reliable long-term starter IMO. Neal had too many struggles last year to be in that category right now, at least as a tackle.

I'd strongly consider Torrence at #25, but think it's moot because he's likely to be long gone by then. My guess is they sign a veteran center and draft an OL on day three. I'd look strongly at Vorhees in round four.
RE: I think it’s a smokescreen  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/24/2023 10:31 am : link
In comment 16074428 eric2425ny said:
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They’ll take a WR in the first three rounds, but I’m not sure it will be a first or second rounder. Lining up these WR dinners makes everyone think they are all about WR.

They have 13 WR’s under contract right now. At least 5 of those players are locks to make the roster. If they were 100% on the receiver heavy draft I don’t think they would have signed as many FA receivers.


Many are very low contracts/commitments. I think they still very much want a guy with clear WR1 upside rhat they'll have cost controlled for the next 4-5 years to grow with DJ. Same at CB. I think down low they think the OL is in better shape than we may think.
Maybe 1?  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/24/2023 10:35 am : link
Was there any good OL signings this year? Could be a lack of quality FA, but historically we were able to find the likes of O'Hara and McKenzie.
RE: I think it’s a smokescreen  
AcesUp : 3/24/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16074428 eric2425ny said:
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They’ll take a WR in the first three rounds, but I’m not sure it will be a first or second rounder. Lining up these WR dinners makes everyone think they are all about WR.

They have 13 WR’s under contract right now. At least 5 of those players are locks to make the roster. If they were 100% on the receiver heavy draft I don’t think they would have signed as many FA receivers.


There wasn't a whole lot of cloak and dagger last year. A lot of the players they met with they had meetings and top 30 visits with.

Also, I don't think 5 WRs are locks to make the roster, a couple could start on PUP and almost none of the WRs have a serious commitment beyond this year.
My guess  
bc4life : 3/24/2023 10:39 am : link
is that they are fairly comfortable with Ezeudu, Bredeson, and Glowinksi being on the team, either as starters or depth. and they will use several picks between 1st and 3rd round for OL.
Neal as wildcard is right  
bc4life : 3/24/2023 10:41 am : link
Would love to know what Schoen & Daboll think about his future, slow starting tackle or better suited as guard.
Judging by our "haul"  
Spiciest Memelord : 3/24/2023 10:41 am : link
and around the league this year was kind of ass for FAs? Except for Pete Carroll of course, though he made out like a bandit signing a young green dot 124 tackle safety for cheap.
RE: Neal as wildcard is right  
CornerStone246+17 : 3/24/2023 10:43 am : link
In comment 16074450 bc4life said:
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Would love to know what Schoen & Daboll think about his future, slow starting tackle or better suited as guard.


As the 7th pick I would think he is getting at least all of training camp to see if they like his improvement and potential in year 2 at the more premium OT spot.
RE: Judging by our  
RCPhoenix : 3/24/2023 10:49 am : link
In comment 16074451 Spiciest Memelord said:
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and around the league this year was kind of ass for FAs? Except for Pete Carroll of course, though he made out like a bandit signing a young green dot 124 tackle safety for cheap.


When your safety has that many tackles it means your ILBs are crap. It doesn't mean your safety is great.
OL  
stretch234 : 3/24/2023 10:53 am : link
Who is out there to target. There is such a lack of quality OL across the league who are you going to get.

The last 3 years they have drafted

Thomas, Peart, Lemieux, Neal, McKethan and Ezeudu

They traded for Bredeson and signed FA Glowinski

Also have J. Anderson(7) K. Cunningham(7) W. Davis(3), S. Kindley(4) T. Phillips(3) who were all NFL draft picks

I still think the OL will be Thomas, Ezeudu, Bredeson, Glowinski, Neal

Who are the other 5 to make the 10 on the roster
RE: I say 1 and 3 are both true  
Johnny5 : 3/24/2023 10:53 am : link
In comment 16074381 cosmicj said:
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Seems so Cos. I agree.

And I posted this in the Feliciano thread, but it seems apropos here:

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...more than a couple of people mentioned that Bredeson looked like the best center we had last year. It seems the staff agreed as it kinda looks like Bredeson is the guy this year. I question it a bit because if that's actually the case, then why the hell did they stick with Feliciano at Center all year? It doesn't make any sense. I wonder if they have another plan. And what's Plan B and C. We can sign all the WRs we want, Megatron in his prime but nothing is going to look much better without a decent center and better OL play. Especially against the Cowboys and Eagles.
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ryanmkeane : 3/24/2023 10:55 am : link
Obviously Schoen and Daboll "like" Ezeudu, they drafted him in round 3. That being said, it would kind of shock me if they were relying on him to be a supplanted starter this season. If a superior IOL prospect is available in round 1 or 2, they really should pull the trigger.

We always tend to overrate mid rounds guys as if they are somehow going to be the answer, such as Lemieux.
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ryanmkeane : 3/24/2023 10:56 am : link
I've heard a lot of folks mentioned McKethan. He was a 5th round pick and immediately tore his knee.

I'm sure the Giants like him. But he might not ever start a game for the team in his career.
Neal will be fine  
JonC : 3/24/2023 10:56 am : link
He's got good pro coaching and plenty of tools to utilize. He's got to get the footwork and mental aspect squared away. Move your feet, big dude! When he was healthy and played well he was very promising.

Bookends are set, and I'd wager Ezeudu will develop at one OG spot. Find another OG and C in the mid to later draft rounds.
I think it’s obvious  
mittenedman : 3/24/2023 10:57 am : link
they really like the UNC Gs, and they probably think they can get similar play from Bred/Lemieux at C without spending extra $$$$
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ryanmkeane : 3/24/2023 10:57 am : link
Lastly, Matt Peart is another good example. Now, he was a Gettleman pick so that's another story all together, but a lot of people, myself included, just kind of assumed that he would be a starter by year 2. That didn't pan out and he was pretty much bad.
RE: I think it’s obvious  
ryanmkeane : 3/24/2023 10:59 am : link
In comment 16074475 mittenedman said:
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they really like the UNC Gs, and they probably think they can get similar play from Bred/Lemieux at C without spending extra $$$$

All of those things would be a mistake. Ezeudu was hurt his entire rookie season. McKethan tore his knee. Lemieux can't play a down without injuring something, and Bredeson is above average at best.

Again, this idea that we are set on the interior is nonsense.
First round  
Semipro Lineman : 3/24/2023 11:01 am : link
punter. Make my words
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ryanmkeane : 3/24/2023 11:01 am : link
NYG paid Jones big time money. If they expect him to continue the upward trajectory, interior OL has a lot to do with that, and relying on what they have and trying to develop mid round picks is great, but sometimes an exercise in futility.
RE: ...  
AcesUp : 3/24/2023 11:02 am : link
In comment 16074466 ryanmkeane said:
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Obviously Schoen and Daboll "like" Ezeudu, they drafted him in round 3. That being said, it would kind of shock me if they were relying on him to be a supplanted starter this season. If a superior IOL prospect is available in round 1 or 2, they really should pull the trigger.



I wouldn't classify Ezeudu as a midround pick. He was the 67th pick in the draft last year. Only 9 spots lower than our second rounder this year in a draft that was considered stronger and deeper at IOL. Maybe not written in stone but he's certainly being penciled in right now in his 2nd year.
RE: RE: I think it’s obvious  
jeff57 : 3/24/2023 11:04 am : link
In comment 16074479 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 16074475 mittenedman said:


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they really like the UNC Gs, and they probably think they can get similar play from Bred/Lemieux at C without spending extra $$$$


All of those things would be a mistake. Ezeudu was hurt his entire rookie season. McKethan tore his knee. Lemieux can't play a down without injuring something, and Bredeson is above average at best.

Again, this idea that we are set on the interior is nonsense.


Agree. Right now, the IOL has to be one of the worst, if not the worst in the league.
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