Heyman saying he thinks they're still going to go with Esco to start at 3B so Baty can get more reps on both sides of the ball in AAA. Seems like a mistake. Vientos might have a better shot to make it DH with how bad Ruf has been. I would personally start Baty at 3B and Vientos at DH.
Bullpen haven't heard much as to who will be making the team in those back end spots. Hunter and Curtiss have to be the front runners.
if they are the best options for their spots id keep them up and plan to give them 2 weeks playing every day.
otherwise id send them down to play every day but be ready to call them up in 2 weeks if players are performing and they are down in AAA.
I can kind of understand the thinking on Baty, though if it was up to me, he'd be starting at 3rd. But Vientos >>>>> Ruf. Why do we have to wait for what seems to be inevitable (and possibly lose a game or 2 due to lack of scoring with Ruf going 0-4).
https://sny.tv/articles/mets-updated-top-20-prospects-2023 - ( New Window )
think it depends on how much time they spend down. i dont believe last year burned anything, and i cant remember if the service time calculation changed in the new cba (dmm?) but i believe the braves are attempting to do that with grissom even though he debuted last year.
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Do the Mets gain an extra year of control if the kids get sent down? Or, is that lost because they were on the team last year?
think it depends on how much time they spend down. i dont believe last year burned anything, and i cant remember if the service time calculation changed in the new cba (dmm?) but i believe the braves are attempting to do that with grissom even though he debuted last year.
Wasn't the magic date June 1st Eric? I seem to remember that being the date that teams would look at to call up guys on the cusp, but who they wanted to keep control of for an extra year.
I can kind of understand the thinking on Baty, though if it was up to me, he'd be starting at 3rd. But Vientos >>>>> Ruf. Why do we have to wait for what seems to be inevitable (and possibly lose a game or 2 due to lack of scoring with Ruf going 0-4).
if he stays up, despite vogey, they need to get him more than 2 starts per week or else why bother?
in 2021 he had reverse splits, so if he stays up he needs to be given a look as almost full time DH with vogey mixing in, not the other way around.
nobody is served well with the young guys sitting on the bench. that is just a waste.
and a complicating factor with vientos is baty - because if baty makes it they are going to want to hit escobar at dh.
so id be kind of shocked if both make it. i think it's 50/50 they keep one of them and 50/50 which on they keep if they do. and very possible both start in AAA.
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Do the Mets gain an extra year of control if the kids get sent down? Or, is that lost because they were on the team last year?
think it depends on how much time they spend down. i dont believe last year burned anything, and i cant remember if the service time calculation changed in the new cba (dmm?) but i believe the braves are attempting to do that with grissom even though he debuted last year.
Wasn't the magic date June 1st Eric? I seem to remember that being the date that teams would look at to call up guys on the cusp, but who they wanted to keep control of for an extra year.
this is from mlb.com and how i remember it from alonso a few years ago, it wasn't june 1 but rather holding him for a few weeks to make sure he didn't hit 173 days total (which they didnt do, they called him up right away).
im not sure if there's some other rule that impacts this calculation if a player was called up the prior year, but there probably should be since so many owners are so cheap. i know this was part of the cba discussions but i dont remember if they actually changed anything.
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He is seeking a 2nd opinion, but I think that's just to be 100% sure though Dombrowski says it's torn.
He is seeking a 2nd opinion, but I think that's just to be 100% sure though Dombrowski says it's torn.
Gee, that's a shame....
Not a bad list. I think Tidwell moves quick and we see him at some point next year. I think we might see Hamel and/or Vasil later this year. Going to be interesting to see with Scherzer and Verlander's age if we go after a #1/#2 in FA with Nola, Urias, and Burnes coming around the corner after 2024/25.
Pipeline ranked out farm #11 which sounds about right. A lot of high upside close to ready bats, some interesting pitching, and a whole bunch of high upside lottery tickets years away.
As Heyman noted, Vientos has hit against better pitching, which has been noticed by scouts.
“He’s faced the top dogs and has looked good at the plate,” one scout told The Post.
demayo said his d looked better at 3b too, so it's hard to make any argument for ruf except that he's easier to waste on the bench not playing (in case that's a concern with the role for vientos vs playing every day in aaa).
MLB insider Jon Heyman says Mark Vientos has a better chance than Brett Baty to make the Mets' Opening Day roster. - ( New Window )
I think he is likely done but Mets should have enough to carry him for a month or two.
He is seeking a 2nd opinion, but I think that's just to be 100% sure though Dombrowski says it's torn.
That's a huge loss for Phils. Hopkins strikes out a lot but he also comes up big a lot.
And he is a fiery guy. They will miss his leadership
I have zero issues with Baty starting in AAA.
I think he is likely done but Mets should have enough to carry him for a month or two.
The main reason I dont mind carrying Ruf is because the shortside of a DH platoon is a terrible position on a Buck Showalter team. We saw it with JD Davis last year and then with Ruf. He doesnt try to get them extra work when they arent in their main roles. So you are looking at getting a start a week most of the time. That's HORRIBLE for any major league player to get into any sort of rhythm and do well.
If somebody is going to suffer in that role, I'd rather it be Ruf because I simply dont care about him. Would hate to see one of the younger guys rotting on the bench when they should be getting everyday reps in AAA.
I have zero issues with Baty starting in AAA.
Sure but if he's good enough 2 weeks from now then he should just be here to start. Games in April count just as much as any other time of year.
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Within a week or two injuries will kick in and the whole board will open up.
I have zero issues with Baty starting in AAA.
Sure but if he's good enough 2 weeks from now then he should just be here to start. Games in April count just as much as any other time of year.
Here's the problem. People think if you cut Ruf, Baty can take his spot on the roster. Problems solved. But really, that alone, isnt going to do anything for Baty. What people are really wanting is for Baty to start at 3B, which would push Escobar to the bench.
Escobar is coming off a season right in line with his career averages giving us 20 HR pop. Baty in his small stint at the end of 22 was terrible defensively and offensively. Are we really expected to believe the Mets are going to 100% bench Escobar on day 1? I think it's coming soon but dont mind it one bit if they want Baty to catch fire in AAA first and earn his way back. If Escobar, Ruf, etc. are all truly terrible as many say, they will prove that in short order making the move obvious. I dont mind preserving our depth for now and letting everything sort itself out naturally.
I’d like to think we could fine ANYONE better for that role but that probably would cost more. Even with injuries, Ruf should not see any meaningful playing time.
I’m more concerned with the Mets FO leaving raging hot minor league players in the minors again while sitting through four months of ineffective play in the pros (looking at you Escobar, lol).
Personally, I think Baty should be starting at 3b.
2.) Marte RF
3.) Lindor SS
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Vogelbach DH
6.) McNeil 2B
7.) Escobar 3B
8.) Narvaez C
9.) Canha LF
Pham, LG, Ruf, Nido
1.) Verlander
2.) Scherzer
3.) Senga
4.) Carrasco
5.) Peterson
Robertson, Ottavino, Raley, Curtiss, Smith, Nogosek, Santana, Hunter
The Mets could IL Ruf giving Baty another little taste in the majors to start the season. They could also DFA Santana if they really like somebody else like Brigham. I find both of those unlikely.
I think even if Baty isn't 100% ready it sends a good message for him to make the team and be the opening day 3B that hard work pays off.
If they send Baty down and call him up in April (not due to injury) then it's all shenanigans because then it's not about development because anyone who believes 2 - 4 weeks in AAA changes anything is crazy.
I just want the players in the lineup who give the Mets the best chance to win. Each day. If the Mets thinks it's Escobar great, but if they think it's probably Baty but send him down for "reasons" then I think its BS. the Mets lost the division by percentage point, an April win would have changed the outcome (all other things being equal obviously)
lol
Who is his favorite Giant? Barkley?
He will benefit greatly from some time at AAA both with the bat and in the field.
And he is a loose cannon. As soon as he does not get playing time, he is going to go off. The only bad move the Mets made this offseason.
I think even if Baty isn't 100% ready it sends a good message for him to make the team and be the opening day 3B that hard work pays off.
If they send Baty down and call him up in April (not due to injury) then it's all shenanigans because then it's not about development because anyone who believes 2 - 4 weeks in AAA changes anything is crazy.
I just want the players in the lineup who give the Mets the best chance to win. Each day. If the Mets thinks it's Escobar great, but if they think it's probably Baty but send him down for "reasons" then I think its BS. the Mets lost the division by percentage point, an April win would have changed the outcome (all other things being equal obviously)
Great post...I agree
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on Ruf. He's my dog's favorite player.
Who is his favorite Giant? Barkley?
He can’t decide between Barkley and Shepard.
If Escobar can play at least league average then it would be the best case scenario.
Vogelbach was very productive last year.
But being out of position and missing your coach repositioning you. Breaking back to third when there’s two outs and thinking there’s one out. Indecisiveness, not being being fully confident of his decisions. Those are little things.
Again, he’s making strides and will continue to do so. Let them bring him up when he is ready. And trust them to make the right decisions.
Can’t wait till Thursday!!!!!!!
But we are probably splitting hairs with this one. Hopefully Escobar gives us some in the first half and makes this a moot point.
Should be a fun year.
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do not deserve to be on this roster. Both are terrible, have been terrible this spring, and will continue to be terrible. Eppler better not get comfortable in his GM seat.
Vogelbach was very productive last year.
He’s a DH who can’t play the field at all, can’t run on the bases and can’t really hit lefties consistently. He’s a platoon DH who isn’t good enough as a hitter and is just a guy you can figure out is feast or famine on fastballs. He got barbecued against good pitching down the stretch. The division teams toyed with him the last few months of the season, and it’s clear the scouting on him is out and clear advantage to the pitchers. He couldn’t adjust. An upgrade isn’t hard. But you have to have a GM with a brain which we unfortunately dont have.
and to my prior point if Baty gets called up in April you know it's all BS because those things Shecky pointed out are all straightened out in a few weeks? lol, sure. with the warts, Baty is the best option at 3B IMO.
I expected the Wilpon Mets to send the "Baty's" down, I expected the Cohen Mets to start the best player.
Anyway, not the end of the world. Looking forward to real baseball.
But being out of position and missing your coach repositioning you. Breaking back to third when there’s two outs and thinking there’s one out. Indecisiveness, not being being fully confident of his decisions. Those are little things.
Again, he’s making strides and will continue to do so. Let them bring him up when he is ready. And trust them to make the right decisions.
Can’t wait till Thursday!!!!!!!
Baty is best on reaction plays when there is no time to think. Like that tremendous play he made behind the bag. But when he has time I see a little hesitation. Same with Maurizio. You don’t want that to evolve into a mental tick.
Plus did two or three extra months in the minors ever hurt anyone?
the decision right now isn't as easy or as important as the decisions they make 2-4-6 weeks from now. hopefully we see good escobar and dh production but if not they cannot drag their feet if the kids are performing in aaa. it's still likely they will struggle whenever they get called up but it's better to get those struggles out of the way asap if the other players arent performing.
the decision right now isn't as easy or as important as the decisions they make 2-4-6 weeks from now. hopefully we see good escobar and dh production but if not they cannot drag their feet if the kids are performing in aaa. it's still likely they will struggle whenever they get called up but it's better to get those struggles out of the way asap if the other players arent performing.
it depends on the options.
If a kid, in this case Baty, provides a better option to help the team win, on March 30 (or whatever early season day) then they should be in the lineup.
period.
Aaron Boone got it right in his comments to Volpe:
"...you only have 20-something games at AAA...and there's room for development, but in the end I think that development should happen in the big leagues"
Not comparing Volpe and Baty, just saying some things, especially those warts Shecky highlighted can absolutely be fixed in the bigs and IMO should. If, and it's a big if, the Mets think Baty is a better option to win games now than Escobar.
People forget, the Mets lost the division by percentage points, and the April wins count just as much as the September ones. One more April win and the Mets could have won the division just as much as one less September loss.
Anyway, not a huge deal, but this line of thinking to send Baty down to work on stuff seems very old school. I bet the Braves wouldn't send Baty down if he beat out their 3B incumbent and if they did it would be pure financial reasons. But with their aggressive extension approach service time just gets bought out anyway.
Eppler still hasn't impressed me with any of his moves and it's easy to just throw Cohen's money around.