Didn’t will hernandez and some of are other gems go to L bentleys school?
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
Huge, strong, incredibly athletic, high IQ, and most importantly, listens to his coach's criticism and will do whatever it takes to improve. All the ingredients to be a big success. Before he's through in the NFL, he'll be a perennial pro-bowler.
He's the only Giants position coach I'm not thrilled with. His aversion to vertical sets caused major technique issues for Neal. I hope Johnson allows Neal to use technique that works for him
I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
RE: He is not the only guy who goes to oline school
Didn’t will hernandez and some of are other gems go to L bentleys school?
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
Hernandez had a decent year last year. Players can improve.
He is massive, super-athletic but has heavy feet. As I've posted before, he reminds me of Eagles great Jon Runyun.
Neal is built for close chest-to-chest fighting (what Runyan excelled at) instead of long-armed "patty-cake" trickery. Another excellent offensive tackle of that era was Dallas' Eric Williams. Both had many monumental and brutal encounters with Michael Strahan).
His lack of explosiveness and naturally heavy feet. But here’s hoping.
Neither of those are true.
I saw him do those box jumps, he is explosive
Feet maybe could be a bit better but could just be balance. Maybe never be a ballerina but u can improve it to an extent
is like asking a right-handed batter to bat left-handed one season. Some players adjust more easily than others. A year should make a noticeable difference.
RE: RE: He is not the only guy who goes to oline school
Didn’t will hernandez and some of are other gems go to L bentleys school?
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
Hernandez had a decent year last year. Players can improve.
He regressed big time for us. I had hopes for him.
I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Just saying I was disappointed in him last yr isn’t ripping him. If I had to flip a coin, I would say he improves a decent amount but not close to AT level
Maybe it was the injury, maybe he just didn’t acclimate as fast or maybe he has holes in his game. Probably combo of all 3.
I just can’t assume he will be a ton better in yr 2. If he is, that’s great for our line for sure. Think ezuedu has stuff to work on but work with too. Yr1 to yrs 2 usually shows a good amount of improvement if guys talented. Neal definitely is.
I guess I expected too much yr 1.
Looking forward to OTA and mini camps. Coming soon.
Neal finds a stance that works better for him while training off season.
Coaches shouldn’t have any issue with that I would assume.
I know some are hard headed but that would seem to make sense.
I know AT had issues with Colombo’s techniques and I believe he went back to what worked worked for him
is like asking a right-handed batter to bat left-handed one season. Some players adjust more easily than others. A year should make a noticeable difference.
First off no, it’s not and it’s not even close to the same thing. Hitting a professionally thrown baseball is incredibly hard and asking someone to do it from the opposite side would be near impossible if they were strictly a one sided hitter. They might make contact but they wouldn’t be hitting at a major league level.
I’d say a good analogy might be an American driving a car in England. The principles are the same you just have to get used to sitting on the other side of the car and driving on the other side of the road. The gas, brakes, steering are all the same. Just like the principles of blocking as an OL.
Secondly, Neal has some experience at RT as he played at least one year there while at Bama.
I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Neal isn't playing well. I don't know why that is, but there is probably somebody (a coach, say) on the Giants who does know.
That coach would be in a good position to know with confidence whether or not Neal's problem can be fixed and how to fix it.
If Neal's problem is fixable, then no problem. But if it is unclear when or how to fix the problem, then I am confident that the Giants are fully aware of the situation and are taking steps to get a new RT.
Having invested $160 million in DJ, I don't think the Giants are going to gamble on Neal not being up to the job on Day One.
His lack of explosiveness and naturally heavy feet. But here’s hoping.
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He continues to baffle the Crimson Tide’s strength staff with his talents. Before the start of the 2020 season, David Ballou shared a video to Twitter of Neal executing a perfect box jump.
The 6-foot-7, 360-pounder has an incredible explosion and balance with his movements.
Matt Rhea recorded his power on split jumps. The Director of Performance Science was blown away when Neal registered 5,808 watts.
He posted the information on Twitter, stating how the junior is a different type of athlete.
Most strength coaches consider 2,000 watts on a split jump to be good; however, Alabama’s had a lot of players at 4,000+ watts.
According to Rhea, Neal raised the bar in hitting the ‘highest number he’s ever seen by far.’
I like the way you are looking at it. I mentioned a couple months ago that the Giants have to do both a honest and accurate evaluation. The position is too critical to let ego get in the way.
Hopefully that eval is positive and we see big improvements this year. If not, have a back up and alternative plan.
I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Just saying I was disappointed in him last yr isn’t ripping him. If I had to flip a coin, I would say he improves a decent amount but not close to AT level
Maybe it was the injury, maybe he just didn’t acclimate as fast or maybe he has holes in his game. Probably combo of all 3.
I just can’t assume he will be a ton better in yr 2. If he is, that’s great for our line for sure. Think ezuedu has stuff to work on but work with too. Yr1 to yrs 2 usually shows a good amount of improvement if guys talented. Neal definitely is.
I guess I expected too much yr 1.
Looking forward to OTA and mini camps. Coming soon.
I e seen a lot of posts ripping this kid. and you’re entitled to feel he wasn’t nearly the player weak hoped. I think the injury really affected his growth and acclimation. We will see. But people make comments he’s “not explosive”. Really heavy feet. Both not ever mentioned until he wash here.
For me I Just think he’s a huge guy who needs to really fine tune his craft. Also in my experience sometimes guys that huge get away w a lot just due to size and strength. They go up a level and their technique needs to adjust. I the NFL you aren’t getting any breaks. Even from bad teams like college. Even in the SEC.
I think both him and Ezuedu start this year and make the OL a lot better this year. . And agree it’s probably not one thing w Neal. Switching for LT to RT. Going up to the NFL. The injury. Time will tell. Though even OTAs and Pre season may not tell us as much as we’d like May need to wait til the season to see one way of the other
Erik Flowers badly lacked coordination and balance
I don't see this as much with Neal. I also think Neal's attitude and desire to succeed is much higher as well.
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
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What I’ve learn in my 47 years is that when a Athlete has been dominant on every level it’s only a matter of time , desire and work ethic before he’s dominant on this level. Long as a man woman has the want to he’ll be successful. It don’t matter who his coach ,trainer etc is . It’s about the Person and their Personal pride! Anyone who’s Been around @e_neal73 knows he has it . We’re playing around with his stance. He’ll eventually get into the stance he feels comfortable with. Long Big guys like him and @andrewwhitworth77 are not human and have a significant advantage because of their feet. He’s gonna get! 🥶 🥶 cold out there on that water . #Newyork #NewYorkGiants #explorepage #NFL #training
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Shout out to his Oline coach Bobby Johnson of the @nygiants for encouraging he works with his people in the offseason. Can’t thank him enough for wanting his guys to get better and not having the ego usually associated with Oline coaches about “ Their Guys” Salute Bobby . Off-season is long.
His lack of explosiveness and naturally heavy feet. But here’s hoping.
Which begs the question AGAIN…..how in the hell was this guy rated so highly? Did all these coaches who were evaluating him see these huge deficiencies which should have sent up a big red flag?
I’m sure he was extensively tested before the selection as well as analyzing his tape. Surely, these deficiencies were screaming at you to see.
So how was he still the #2 rated OT? We’re they all just as deficient or more as he is?
RE: Erik Flowers badly lacked coordination and balance
I don't see this as much with Neal. I also think Neal's attitude and desire to succeed is much higher as well.
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
+1
Here here….nice comments….I’m actually feel more hopeful after reading them…thanks
RE: RE: Erik Flowers badly lacked coordination and balance
I don't see this as much with Neal. I also think Neal's attitude and desire to succeed is much higher as well.
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
+1
Here here….nice comments….I’m actually feel more hopeful after reading them…thanks
High 5. Neal supposedly was playing through injury too. Tackles historically struggle year 1 even as a high pick. I'm concerned but cautiously optimistic we'll see a much better player this year. He's wired well and uber athletic thats half the battle right there.
You dont see guys his side doing split box jumps Evan Neal Box Jump - ( New Window )
He is a whole lot more athletic and coordinated than Flowers was. Last year seemed to be the perfect storm for him. Switching from LT ro RT and having to do everything in reverse, dealing with an injury and trying to learn Bobby Johnsons more aggressive pass sets.
I have concern for him for sure but I am cautiously optimistic we see sizeable improvement this year.
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Agreed and I think those traits are a prerequisite to play for Saban, and he started all four years at Bama if I remember right.
hopefully our coaching techniques can emphasize what he does best
Evan Neal is mature beyond his years and a very hard worker. If he fails in the NFL it won't be for a lack of trying.
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
Neither of those are true.
Not only about Neal, but also about Johnson as his coach.
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Attached is the new stance he is working on with Willie Anderson.
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There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
Hernandez had a decent year last year. Players can improve.
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unlike a guy like Flowers, Neal seems to be coachable and has a good work ethic. Sure would be nice if we have our OTs for the next 7-10 yrs.
Agreed and I think those traits are a prerequisite to play for Saban, and he started all four years at Bama if I remember right.
Not sure how Alex Leatherwood fits in to that equation....
He is massive, super-athletic but has heavy feet. As I've posted before, he reminds me of Eagles great Jon Runyun.
Neal is built for close chest-to-chest fighting (what Runyan excelled at) instead of long-armed "patty-cake" trickery. Another excellent offensive tackle of that era was Dallas' Eric Williams. Both had many monumental and brutal encounters with Michael Strahan).
Here's a highlight of Runyan ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrBn2v1s-ZQ
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His lack of explosiveness and naturally heavy feet. But here’s hoping.
Neither of those are true.
I saw him do those box jumps, he is explosive
Feet maybe could be a bit better but could just be balance. Maybe never be a ballerina but u can improve it to an extent
is like asking a right-handed batter to bat left-handed one season. Some players adjust more easily than others. A year should make a noticeable difference.
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Didn’t will hernandez and some of are other gems go to L bentleys school?
Didn’t help him
Of course Neal does have a hecka lot more to work with.
Hope it’s more technical than just not having to balance at all.
Not expecting greatness in yr two but will be hoping for very good run blocking and slightly above average pass pro.
Basically what I hoped for rookie yr but was ahead of myself
Hernandez had a decent year last year. Players can improve.
He regressed big time for us. I had hopes for him.
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I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Just saying I was disappointed in him last yr isn’t ripping him. If I had to flip a coin, I would say he improves a decent amount but not close to AT level
Maybe it was the injury, maybe he just didn’t acclimate as fast or maybe he has holes in his game. Probably combo of all 3.
I just can’t assume he will be a ton better in yr 2. If he is, that’s great for our line for sure. Think ezuedu has stuff to work on but work with too. Yr1 to yrs 2 usually shows a good amount of improvement if guys talented. Neal definitely is.
I guess I expected too much yr 1.
Looking forward to OTA and mini camps. Coming soon.
Not only about Neal, but also about Johnson as his coach. Link - ( New Window )
Good stuff definitely good to hear.
Coaches shouldn’t have any issue with that I would assume.
I know some are hard headed but that would seem to make sense.
I know AT had issues with Colombo’s techniques and I believe he went back to what worked worked for him
Not only about Neal, but also about Johnson as his coach. Link - ( New Window )
This is pretty damn cool.
I want him to do well so badly. I know if he improves so does the whole team. Go Big Blue!
is like asking a right-handed batter to bat left-handed one season. Some players adjust more easily than others. A year should make a noticeable difference.
First off no, it’s not and it’s not even close to the same thing. Hitting a professionally thrown baseball is incredibly hard and asking someone to do it from the opposite side would be near impossible if they were strictly a one sided hitter. They might make contact but they wouldn’t be hitting at a major league level.
I’d say a good analogy might be an American driving a car in England. The principles are the same you just have to get used to sitting on the other side of the car and driving on the other side of the road. The gas, brakes, steering are all the same. Just like the principles of blocking as an OL.
Secondly, Neal has some experience at RT as he played at least one year there while at Bama.
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I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Agree with you guys.
What is Bobby Johnson doing if such a dramatic change to his stance will unlock his skillset? Should Johnson be expected to know that?
That coach would be in a good position to know with confidence whether or not Neal's problem can be fixed and how to fix it.
If Neal's problem is fixable, then no problem. But if it is unclear when or how to fix the problem, then I am confident that the Giants are fully aware of the situation and are taking steps to get a new RT.
Having invested $160 million in DJ, I don't think the Giants are going to gamble on Neal not being up to the job on Day One.
He continues to baffle the Crimson Tide’s strength staff with his talents. Before the start of the 2020 season, David Ballou shared a video to Twitter of Neal executing a perfect box jump.
The 6-foot-7, 360-pounder has an incredible explosion and balance with his movements.
Matt Rhea recorded his power on split jumps. The Director of Performance Science was blown away when Neal registered 5,808 watts.
He posted the information on Twitter, stating how the junior is a different type of athlete.
Most strength coaches consider 2,000 watts on a split jump to be good; however, Alabama’s had a lot of players at 4,000+ watts.
According to Rhea, Neal raised the bar in hitting the ‘highest number he’s ever seen by far.’
NEWS Alabama OT Evan Neal records highest split jump Matt Rhea has ‘ever seen’ - ( New Window )
He has all the tools...but most improve his balance
Hopefully that eval is positive and we see big improvements this year. If not, have a back up and alternative plan.
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I can't wait for Neal to tell his BBI critics to STFU this coming season. I think he's going to bounce back big time. Don't forget that he was coming on prior to his injury in that Jags game.
There's been a lot of silly crap posted about the kid. I'm pretty sure a lot of the people ripping him are the same ones who were calling Thomas a bust as well. Not saying he will now hit the same heights as Thomas but I'd be surprised if he doesn't make a nice jump. He had to come back and play hurt too. Says a lot about the kid
Just saying I was disappointed in him last yr isn’t ripping him. If I had to flip a coin, I would say he improves a decent amount but not close to AT level
Maybe it was the injury, maybe he just didn’t acclimate as fast or maybe he has holes in his game. Probably combo of all 3.
I just can’t assume he will be a ton better in yr 2. If he is, that’s great for our line for sure. Think ezuedu has stuff to work on but work with too. Yr1 to yrs 2 usually shows a good amount of improvement if guys talented. Neal definitely is.
I guess I expected too much yr 1.
Looking forward to OTA and mini camps. Coming soon.
I e seen a lot of posts ripping this kid. and you’re entitled to feel he wasn’t nearly the player weak hoped. I think the injury really affected his growth and acclimation. We will see. But people make comments he’s “not explosive”. Really heavy feet. Both not ever mentioned until he wash here.
For me I Just think he’s a huge guy who needs to really fine tune his craft. Also in my experience sometimes guys that huge get away w a lot just due to size and strength. They go up a level and their technique needs to adjust. I the NFL you aren’t getting any breaks. Even from bad teams like college. Even in the SEC.
I think both him and Ezuedu start this year and make the OL a lot better this year. . And agree it’s probably not one thing w Neal. Switching for LT to RT. Going up to the NFL. The injury. Time will tell. Though even OTAs and Pre season may not tell us as much as we’d like May need to wait til the season to see one way of the other
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
I really wish people would stop comparing him to Andrew Thomas. You can't assume a player will get better simply because another teammate did.
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What I’ve learn in my 47 years is that when a Athlete has been dominant on every level it’s only a matter of time , desire and work ethic before he’s dominant on this level. Long as a man woman has the want to he’ll be successful. It don’t matter who his coach ,trainer etc is . It’s about the Person and their Personal pride! Anyone who’s Been around @e_neal73 knows he has it . We’re playing around with his stance. He’ll eventually get into the stance he feels comfortable with. Long Big guys like him and @andrewwhitworth77 are not human and have a significant advantage because of their feet. He’s gonna get! 🥶 🥶 cold out there on that water . #Newyork #NewYorkGiants #explorepage #NFL #training
@bigwillie7179
Shout out to his Oline coach Bobby Johnson of the @nygiants for encouraging he works with his people in the offseason. Can’t thank him enough for wanting his guys to get better and not having the ego usually associated with Oline coaches about “ Their Guys” Salute Bobby . Off-season is long.
Which begs the question AGAIN…..how in the hell was this guy rated so highly? Did all these coaches who were evaluating him see these huge deficiencies which should have sent up a big red flag?
I’m sure he was extensively tested before the selection as well as analyzing his tape. Surely, these deficiencies were screaming at you to see.
So how was he still the #2 rated OT? We’re they all just as deficient or more as he is?
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
+1
Here here….nice comments….I’m actually feel more hopeful after reading them…thanks
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I don't see this as much with Neal. I also think Neal's attitude and desire to succeed is much higher as well.
I applaud Booby Johnson for not trying to force Neal this offseason into certain things but is allowing hom to work with Willie Anderson on evaluating what his optimal stance will be. They need to get this thong right this year. That position might be the biggest wild-card on the offense.
I am still concerned here but no where near as much as I was with Flowers.
+1
Here here….nice comments….I’m actually feel more hopeful after reading them…thanks
High 5. Neal supposedly was playing through injury too. Tackles historically struggle year 1 even as a high pick. I'm concerned but cautiously optimistic we'll see a much better player this year. He's wired well and uber athletic thats half the battle right there.
You dont see guys his side doing split box jumps
Evan Neal Box Jump - ( New Window )
You dont see guys his side doing split box jumps Evan Neal Box Jump - ( New Window )
He is a whole lot more athletic and coordinated than Flowers was. Last year seemed to be the perfect storm for him. Switching from LT ro RT and having to do everything in reverse, dealing with an injury and trying to learn Bobby Johnsons more aggressive pass sets.
I have concern for him for sure but I am cautiously optimistic we see sizeable improvement this year.