I apologize if this has been brought up before, but The Athletic had an article yesterday on this topic that caught my eye. In short, the owners-all pissed off about the guaranteed contract Watson got-are conspiring not to pursue Jackson, thus the lack of interest in him after Baltimore slapped the non-exclusive franchise tag on him over 2 weeks ago. And for those who will cite his injury concerns or postseason record for teams shying away, the write makes a good point rebutting those lines of thought by saying that both Watson & Kyler Murray-neither who have had pristine health or playoff success-got their respective bags. Hell, the Ravens owner-whose name I'd completely butcher if I tried spelling it-came out after the Watson deal & said it set a bad precedent going forward.
The article got me thinking. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. A dark horse for me is Lamar ends up in Foxboro. It seems like a BB type move.
And I hate defend the owners. They are mostly scum. But I damn sure don’t blame them not not fully guaranteeing huge contracts. For many reasons
You see the cash and prizes doled out for Watson and Wilson, and it's just not worth it.
I think Jackson is a very good QB, and if it were me I'd give him lots of money for 3 years. But I wouldn't turn over 2 first round picks and a Watson contract.
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guy, Colin Kaepernick
yeah and this guy SUCKED as a QB and was a backup when he started with his controversies.
He was playing on a team in one of the cities whose population would agree with the position he was taking and even they did not retain him. Why is everyone asking whether OTHER teams in the league were trying to keep CK from playing, but nobody is talking about the 49ers?
In that city he could have been a God but the truth was he could not even be a backup on that team. Then, they had a merry-go-round of QBs and did not bring him back. More recently, they lost all of their QBs to injury and never picked up the phone to call CK.
Regarding Jackson, I think the league believes he is over-rated as a QB and without his ability to run, he is limited. Not bad.. but limited. Look at how he lost the game vs us last year. He was responsible for two turnovers that lost the game.
I don't think the league thinks he's over rated per se. I think he is a singular talent who needs an offense build to him. His body bit his brain Lin is the key to that offense. And he's getting to break down. Clevland was moronic. And no one else wants to be that fucking dumb. Guaranteeing that much money on a guy who is starting break down is nuts
How does it make him an idiot?
Any value Lamar has gets killed between having their teams salary hijacked, and the loss of cheap, quality talent.
Why not? It would actually lower contracts instead of having these ridiculous contracts that have no chance of being attained, they are just constructed that way to spread cap.
This. Very apt
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Plain and simple he’s an idiot. Bad injury history, scheme specific and not worth the price he is asking. It’s not collision if you are turning down a contract that’s fair.
How does it make him an idiot?
“A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.”
Same goes for a football player.
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Plain and simple he’s an idiot. Bad injury history, scheme specific and not worth the price he is asking. It’s not collision if you are turning down a contract that’s fair.
How does it make him an idiot?
“A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.”
Same goes for a football player.
Laremy Tunsil disagrees
How can any owner sign off on that for a guy with his injury history, who as many playoff victories as Daniel Jones or Kirk Cousins, and did not play this year when his team was in the playoffs?
Ravens are at a bit of a crossroads. They have not been to a championship game in ten years. Lots of things can change for the organization so why saddle yourself with a QB on this type of contract if they make significant changes.
Cousins did that and earned some great money over the years.
THIS plus he’s regressed as a passer the last two years. I’d be shocked if ANYONE wanted him under all those conditions. HARD PASS
He deserves a market setting contract. Instead, he has been getting offered contracts that would pay him less than Kyler Murray.
Literally, the day he was franchised, a bunch of owners came out and said they wouldn't sign him. Why would they do that? If they are really competitive with one another, they'd keep quiet or even say they want to sign him to drive his price up.
Completion % => Lower all 3 years
Completions => Lower all 3 years
Passing Yards => Lower all 3 years
Passsing TDs => MUCH lower all 3 years - from 36 to 26, 16, 17
Interceptions => More INTs all 3 years
QB Rating => Significantly Lower all 3 years
Rushing => Lower all 3 years
Rushing TDs => Same in 2020, Lower in 21 and 22
Playoff Record = 1-3
That 2019 season is looking more like a Fluke.
For Bayless and Smith to scream at the camera about. Why report the news when you can just make it up.
He has help, although it isn’t technically any agent. And an agent can’t make a client sign a deal - if Jackson isn’t happy with Baltimore and wants to play elsewhere and get paid more in the process, why shouldn’t he test the waters?
If the tag was ever pulled he’d be a FA and the Jets would 100% give Jackson his price. A few other teams would too IMO.
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Why is he trying to save 3% on the biggest financial deal of his family's history?
He has help, although it isn’t technically any agent. And an agent can’t make a client sign a deal - if Jackson isn’t happy with Baltimore and wants to play elsewhere and get paid more in the process, why shouldn’t he test the waters?
If the tag was ever pulled he’d be a FA and the Jets would 100% give Jackson his price. A few other teams would too IMO.
I was gleefully anticipating the Jets being forced to re-sign Darnold but I think he's already signed lol Yeah Jets will be extremely desperate at some point.
Why would you make a statement like that with a question, when you can easily find out the answer via a quick internet search?
Short answer - you are wrong.
In the last four seasons, Jackson has missed 12 games, and Jones has missed 11.
However, Jones's total includes the season ending game in 2022 (healthy, but sat out a meaningless game), and three games in his rookie season, when he was healthy but Eli started. Jackson missed one game in 2019, but not due to health (sat out a meaningless game)
So to recap - Jackson has missed 11 games to do health, and Jones has missed only 7.
Football is a violent game and contracts should not be fully guaranteed in advance
I am tired of Lamarr and those who support his not playing next year
Football is a violent game and contracts should not be fully guaranteed in advance
I am tired of Lamarr and those who support his not playing next year
I’m tired of these takes. Your first point is fine but hating a player for wanting a better deal is ridiculous, especially when in your first point you exclusively call out it being a violent game.
So Lamar Jackson should take all the risks and also not try maximize his earning potential?
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No. Running QB, often hurt, declining stats the past 3 seasons and wants 200+ million all guaranteed. No thanks. This is a media made up story.
For Bayless and Smith to scream at the camera about. Why report the news when you can just make it up.
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But the owners have my permission to collude in this case...
Football is a violent game and contracts should not be fully guaranteed in advance
I am tired of Lamarr and those who support his not playing next year
I’m tired of these takes. Your first point is fine but hating a player for wanting a better deal is ridiculous, especially when in your first point you exclusively call out it being a violent game.
So Lamar Jackson should take all the risks and also not try maximize his earning potential?
Lamar has every right to play under the tag..or retire
100% agree
I think the Watson deal was dumb and is unlikely to be repeated - especially since neither Watson nor Jackson are one of the top three guys in the NFL that could warrant a deal like that. The market might be slowing a bit from the Murray/Watson deals, which I think are just ridiculous.
He has the right not to play next year..
I wouldn't be happy if he did that..
The other owners have every right not to make the mistake Cleveland did
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But good try
He has the right not to play next year..
I wouldn't be happy if he did that..
The other owners have every right not to make the mistake Cleveland did
He would be a complete MORON not to play next year. He will never make up the money he will lose.
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But good try
He has the right not to play next year..
I wouldn't be happy if he did that..
The other owners have every right not to make the mistake Cleveland did
He would be a complete MORON not to play next year. He will never make up the money he will lose.
I agree..but my money is and has been on him NOT playing on the franchise tag
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But good try
He has the right not to play next year..
I wouldn't be happy if he did that..
The other owners have every right not to make the mistake Cleveland did
You are all over the place. Both Lamar Jackson and the owners should do what’s best for them. But saying you are sick of Lamar is bizarre when you just said it’s a violent sport. He should want every penny he can get and I’m not exactly sure why football fans have a problem with that.
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But good try
He has the right not to play next year..
I wouldn't be happy if he did that..
The other owners have every right not to make the mistake Cleveland did
You are all over the place. Both Lamar Jackson and the owners should do what’s best for them. But saying you are sick of Lamar is bizarre when you just said it’s a violent sport. He should want every penny he can get and I’m not exactly sure why football fans have a problem with that.
I have a problem with him demanding the amount of guaranteed money he is asking for..and I have even more problem with the pundits who side with him and don't quite understand how devastating a guaranteed deal gone wrong can be to a franchise.
He certainly should get as much as possible...perhaps he became victimized by see the DeShawn Watson deal and wanting a similar deal.
Baltimore made it clear they wouldn't put their franchise in that position
Lamarr has held that team hostage for 2 yrs and probably will never play another down for them
There are certain rules that have been collectively bargained and both side need to adhere by them
Again...the rules allow for him to either play under the franchise tag...or sit out
Not really sure why you think I am all over the place.
The Ravens have been trying to extend this guy for almost 2 yrs...despite him missing some time both years
I am not even going to get into his playoff record...
He is a top 5 guy and should never paid like it...but he needs to understand that the Watson deal was an aberration by an awful franchise
My guess is he never will understand that and will sit out...
Then he will wind up with a similar offer to the best offer that the Ravens offered him.
except the Jets.
except the Jets.
Haaaahahhaaa
They will wind up with the Aaron Rodgers headaches instead
The collusion allegations make news in these cases, but there's usually more to the story and other reasons why teams may shy away.
Yes the owner needs to put a quarter billion in escrow for the term of the Contract
Financial guys hate having money sitting around not making them more money
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must be held in escrow? If so, that could also be a deterrent and why some contracts are now adding guaranteed into future years.
Yes the owner needs to put a quarter billion in escrow for the term of the Contract
Financial guys hate having money sitting around not making them more money
I didn't know that...from a Financing side, if true, it's just about as bad as having to pay the full contract up front. Is this really true - any guaranteed money on deals has to be held in escrow, and cannot be used for normal team expenses? You would think this would be limited to maybe only the next year of payments, etc - but i'm not an expert on NFL contracts.
If true it certainly sheds a different light on guarantees.
--Everybody thinks the Ravens will match a Lamar offer unless the Ravens are going to tear it down and go into a rebuild